Parameters for TM call

[Doctor DOOM]

I think we all have seen the list in general forum.
so I'd like to know what are the parameters for calling X and not Y to TM.

there are many issues that just dont fit.

if the parameter is the player doing well at his club ( which is followed all over the world ), then there are a few names that shd NOT be there while there are some more who SHD BE.

If the parameter is to call up the BEST PLAYERS for a given post, then the same can be said here as well.

If the parameter is based on the player's performance levels , especially those who have played in TM in recent time, then there are a couple of players who shdnt be seen near the gates of TM camp!


But if the parameter is solely and purely "whom I like, no matter what technical level the player is at", then the list can be explained very simply.


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we see pretty horrible choices in the roster:
Zareh is yet again called up, despite his poor & inferior performances.
we've gone over all the discussions over "Team not conceding, therefore ..." or "personal performances", .... in other threads here. I see no need to waste time on that.
we see a player whose BEST is not even half of what we see in some other players!

while there are no players from PAAS, whose defense was the best in the league!

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then we have another inferior player; sadeghi. whose inclusion just defies all logic & explanation .... except "favoritism & bias".
while there have been plenty of other players who HAVE won titles in their clubs and have done exceedingly well, especially compared to sadeghi.


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and we have some peculiar picks.
Mohamad Nouri , while being a very good player, has been at best, "second fiddle" in saba to his team mate Kolahkaj, who was pivotal to saba's success this season.
but the second choice player is called, while the main player is NOT !!
( it's like picking aziz-zadeh instead of aghili, from sepahan ! )

again, another logic defying act, which is slowly ( and alarmingly ) becoming a trend !!!

[Adesor Vafaseya]

But if the parameter is solely and purely "whom I like, no matter what technical level the player is at", then the list can be explained very simply.

exactly those were my thoughts looking at the roaster.

Unfortunately the message in my signature is not valid here....

I still didn't work out what Ali Daei is playing at with his interviews, players selections etc etc. A small failure and the whole media and specialy reporters will be ganging up against him.
Is he looking for the big Jackpot? To claim I proved you all wrong? I realy do hope so...

[Doctor DOOM]

what I cant understand is based on what factors these two, zareh & sadeghi are invited?

one could excuse sticking with them during the first round due to lack of time for testing new players or familiarity or ... or whatever.
but NOW?
when you have enough time to test players?
when these 2 have shown they are not at TM level?
ridiculous.

right now, zareh and sadeghi are at best, average players, the likes of whom we can find PLENTY of in IPL. and we can find a few SUPERIOR to these guys also.

that's why I asked shouldnt recent performances at TM have any impact on call ups? logic says they shd.
but this is NOT logical !

[Mr.Good]

How about this;

TM is not a trophy for a popularity contest

[Doctor DOOM]

^ which means ..... ??

[Mr.Good]

it means that just because you like certain players and think they are superior, it does not mean that they are actually better than the ones selected by TM coach. If TM coach is convinced that they are not useful, then what good will trying them will do?
Let me give you an example, you are always advocating Nouri for LB. But did you notice how he performed in that position for PP. Nouri's reputation is from his young days. PP lost many games last season with attacks from Nouri's side. Nouri is very slow and he is outrun by the most stickers. Even Ghotbi realized that and used Nosrati as LB and Nouri was moved to the midfield, and then they started winning again.

[Doctor DOOM]

sadeghi and zareh had very poor performances.

my liking or disliking of zareh or sadeghi has NOTHING to do with them playing sub par, unable to pass correctly and perform even on an average level, or how they disappear in a game for 20-25 minutes!

neither does my liking or disliking of mobaali, kazemian, madanchi, shirzad, nouri, ... has anything to do with them being awarded the MVP, the best foreign player of a league, winning the championship title, being a part of IPL's best defense, ... .

if these somehow look like "MY LIKING them", then I guess our problem lies elsewhere.
these are substantial FACTS ... irrespective of my likes.
and FACTS, you cant refute.

so it doesnt make any sense to bring up "popularity" of a player

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as far as "liking" goes, I like players like K Rahmati and Kolahkaj and A. sadeghi. But you dont see me saying they ought to start games or .... just becoz I like them.
in fact I have dropped sadeghi from my personal potential TM players due to his dip in form lately. and I accept both neku and ando are far better options than rahmati. or that we have at least 4 other players better than kolahkaj . so you dont see me advocating their causes, do you?


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Nouri 2 seasons back was even worse.
however, last season he had improved drastically and was touted to be one of the league's best LB's.

no one is saying he's the perfect LB.
But we dont have any perfect LB's in Iran, do we?
and by god, zareh is even LESS than the mediocre Nouri.

I'd take a 6/10 anyday over a 2/10.

the way you talk is as if zareh has been exploding on the pitch as LB, in the league !!
hah!
the guy doesnt even play there, ffs.
so lets keep things grounded in REALITY and perspective here, shall we?

next is asadi , who has been doing rather well in the past 2 seasons.
he is , yet again, better than zareh as he's shown it in 2 seasons.
and we also have shirzad who is a part of IPL's best defense.

what does zareh boast of?
how was his team's defensive record?
does he even play at LB?
how has he done even when he was put in the LB from years before?

we shd consider what we have in Iran before defending or accusing players.
in Iran, the likes of zareh are in dozens.
you throw a stone, and you'd hit an average player who will block the fifth or sixth attack by kuwait's B side. does that mean he is TM material?
?????

[Nokhodi]

Doom, you pick way too much on Zareh. He is not that horrible. Remember in WC 2006 some of us though the left back problems will be fixed because Zare was injured? And then see what happened? We were still getting r*ped on the left side. Against Portugal, Mexico, Angola...

Also one thing we need to realize about Daei is that he is set in his ways. He wants to qualify more than any of us and he wants to give a metaphorical slap in the mouth to all those who criticized him throughout his playing and coaching career.

He probably does have problems with the group that Karimi created around himself in the 2006 Germany camp (Karimi, Kazemian, Madanchi...) and he wants to basically get them to say "goh khordam". Not being invited to TM is too much for some of these guys and they will eventually fold and accept what ever it is Daei wants from them to join TM.
He is not going to take advice from anyone but his players and staff. Of course I know that we are just discussing amongst each other as fans, but Daei has a set of players that he will always carry with him. Sadeghi is one of those!
Many other coaches do it, that doesn't mean its a good idea; but we have to live with it.

Also we don't need to worry about this list too much. Half of these guys are not going to be there when we play Saudi. Zare and Sadeghi will probably be there though.

One of the big positives of this list though, Mohammad Parvin being invited. Since we have such a huge weakness in the forward position I like the idea that we are trying all these new players out. Additionally he gets the Soltan of Iranian football, Ali Parvin on his side.

[maij]

Out of interest , Doc. How many Saba Battery matches you have seen this season ?

[Doctor DOOM]

nokhodi jan, that he's trying to force ppl to say "goh khordam" is exactly what I'm talking about.
this is putting personal matters before the team's.

same with sadeghi's inclusion.
with such inclusions, TM will NOT BE at it possible best.

and when it comes to TM, individuals shd take a back seat. even if he's the most decorated and popular person in our football.



as for zareh, I've made my personal views & observations clear .
but just a word of caution: the player who comes up second best against asia's B and C grade attackers more often than anyone else, can not be trusted against asia's A tier teams.

I'd have a more peaceful acceptance of zareh if I saw guys like nouri, asadi and shirzad given 2-3 games at TM and fail.
then I'd say Daei has done what he could and has not left any stones unturned. and will accept zareh's pitiful displays as what we can have at best.
but that isnt so, is it?
other deserving players ( even for trials ) arent being tested.
how would we know if asadi or nouri or shirzad cant offer a better performance than this guy?


which brings me to square one:
what is the priority here?
to get the best possible TM?
or to prove our words no matter what?


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majid jan, a couple, here and there.
pretty much what many others do.
BUT I also follow reviews and news of these games.

I know why you ask me, and I must say we hardly come across many good reviews of a player unless he IS worthy of that praise ... especially when it comes to players OUTSIDE of ss and pp.
if it was ss and pp, I'd take most of those reviews with a grain of salt ... for obvious reasons.
and we all know our media. they wouldnt praise a non ss or pp player unless he was worth it.
apart from the media, there have been other insights and comments by football experts, coaches, ... that put together can form a reliable set of information on a given player.

[maij]

So Peyman Aziz Gol..... Are you judging on a player or two after a couple of matches here and there on TV , in a season that Saba Played like 30 games or so !!!

Now, if that is not a flawed observation , I don't know what is ? Don't get me wrong , I don't know much about Nouri or Kolahkaj performances this season and I don't advocate any or both, but don't you think the coach has seen enough live matches ( not TV or newspaper crap!) to decide on his selection ???

C'mon ....give the man a little bit of credit....Az poshte kooh ke neyoomedih

Let me enrich some of your valuable information on players selection.

When Daei looks for a particular player to fill a position , or he think that he needs auxiliary players , he either watches a player in series of matches or assigns some of his scouts and assistants to compile a report. This is done systematically . He also listens to tips from his scouts on other players and sometimes shifts focus and see if that payer fits the requirement.

This is pretty much how most of the National coaches operate.

[Paradigm]

At this point I have to say it is criminal not to invite Mobali for the midfield position and Kazemian for forward then include respectively the inferior E. Sadeghi and Khatibi for those positions.

Daie is really starting to piss me off.

[Doctor DOOM]

majid jan, as I explained, the general information we gather throughout the season can not be that wrong to actually be 180 degree to the truth.

we have watched a few games here and there.
we also do see reviews, comments and praise for certain players.
apart from the reviews, we have media picking the best players of the match, the team, the week, .... also , to add to the cumulation of info.

I dont think one can go THAT wrong with assessing which player has been influential in his team and which one hasnt been.

for example, I dont need to watch each and every PP game to know bagheri has had a very good season. it's all over the papers, reports, 90 program, reviews, .... .
so if I come here and say bagheri was an influential player at PP, without having watched many pp games, would I be wrong?
I dont think so.

the same way, we all pick and find which players have had a good season and which ones didnt.
for example I dont think anyone is picking jafari ( sepahan ) as a top pick for defense.
or wouldnt I look pretty stupid if I said madanchi has had a crappy season, becoz I hadnt watched more than a few uae games? wouldnt I be ridiculed ? why? becoz we have all the rest of data and info that if summed up, create a close to reality picture of the player's season.


yes. it's not ideal.
no one is arguing that.
but the facts are facts.
if a player like kolahkaj has been consistently picked as the leader and pivotal player at saba, it'd be difficult to say all those reviews and reports are wrong.


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and besides, the post of central midfielder is the least of my worries.
and picking either of Nouri or kolahkaj , by itself, does not bother me one bit ( it just fits into a general sense that daei's selection is NOT totally based on merit ), when we have guys like jabbari, shojaei, ... .

the posts that really worry me are left back, which I see daei is at his stubborn best/worst by picking only one player ( who isnt even a defender , let alone a LEFT sided defender ) and refusing to try other defenders who HAVE HAD a better season than zareh , all as DEFENDERS.
this, for a very vital post that could be detrimental to TM's fate.
and this, after seeing how poorly zareh played in recent games

now you see why his selection raises so many questions?



and the other matter is sadeghi's inclusion.
having a couple of players wrong ( based on poor form and performances ) in a batch of 31 is very normal.
but when the same 2 remain after the filtration to 23 men. and worse, when they go so far as to START games, then you've got to worry about the coach's judgment.

that's why I asked based on what parameters do we call players to TM?
shdnt they be the BEST of the best Iran has on offer in their posts?
are sadeghi & zareh the best we have in their posts ?
are they even within the top 4 of that post ?
really ?

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I might as well question the parameters in selecting tahmasebi over asghari also.
one can be forgiven if he asks what did asghari do wrong to not get called up?
he got half a game and he scored 2 goals.
what else shd a player do to get a recall?
coz judging from sadeghi's and zareh's pathetic displays, the bar is set so bloody low that even crappy performances get the nod.
so it is only fair to question why not asghari ?

if the bar is so bloody low to justify zareh & sadeghi, then I might as well as why not rajabzadeh, homami, sharifinasab, amirabadi, talebloo, bigdeli, taheri, ..... ???

[Hajagha]

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yes. it's not ideal.
no one is arguing that.
but the facts are facts.

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???

The fact is we have a coach who has the job description and one of them is player selection. That's why you and I (as the tax payer) pay a million or more to the guy to go and watch the damn guy to make sure if he is worthed or not.

If you wanna pick and talk about a player for the sake of talking, pick "Mohammad Parvin" and ask why he is there. Otherwise, obviously you don't agree with many European coaches who brought a midfielder to the left or right defenese line to use their offensive and ball distribution ability. You can check Turkey and Russia (the two best coaches of Euro 2008). I am almost sure you don't agree with them either.

I must confese debating with you is fun, as you never admit you were wrong.

Cheers,

[Hajagha]

Saying that in previous post, to me the only players who stamped their positions in TM are Nekonam and Aghili regardless of future games. I won't be surpsied if any body else loses his position due to lack of quality performance in upcoming events.