The plight of Ali Karimi

[Ali Chicago]

http://www.persianfootball.com/index...d=966&Itemid=2

Agha dastet dar nakoneh, that you follow the news from this unknown clubs and share it with us.

[Martin-Reza]

Agha dastet dar nakoneh, that you follow the news from this unknown clubs and share it with us.

You're welcome, but actually Kaveh is following and covering, I'm just putting the articles and links up.

I agree it's very cool that thanks to him we get more updates from clubs like Sailiya or Alki.

[zzgloo]

bahram jan, eshtebah mikonin.
there were other staff members as well. they can name themselves if they want to.

Since I have always trusted all your posts yashar jaan......I take your word for it, and stand corrected now.......
My mistake !

[Ali Chicago]

You're welcome, but actually Kaveh is following and covering, I'm just putting the articles and links up.
I agree it's very cool that thanks to him we get more updates from clubs like Sailiya or Alki.

So thanks to Kaveh as well. This Kaveh guy is very persistant and put a lot of work with all the pics and following the news. Thanks again.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Since I have always trusted all your posts yashar jaan......I take your word for it, and stand corrected now.......
My mistake !

kuchike shomayim agha bahram!

[maij]

with all due respect your points are totally lost!!
80percent of the staff are wrong about what? You did not give an answer... to then claim what is right and what is wrong.
These issues do not have an answer to begin with why even dig!!?
These are teh matters of opinion.
Football fans with or without qualification are teh ultimate Judge of a coach, so it is an absolute nonesense to say you have to be qualified to form an opinion or criticise or this or that...we would have been in the stone age if the nature of human race was as such.
Remember, the ultimate decision made for a man to lose life or live is not teh judge or teh chain of attorneys that know the law, it is up to what the 12 jurors believe in that box, yes the system no matter what will always have flaws but PROPORTIONALLY speaking this is the way it is and is the fairest...

so in my opinion unconditional love has been studied deep enough and statistically is present in two conditions:
Pure ignorance and idiotic blind fold of support like seen with different religions, etc...
or
as present in imprinting and the love and protection for the offspring

the rest is obvious yani chi unconditional love and support for a coach!!?
or you cant judge if you are not a football analyst or a diploma holder of x and o s!!
as you see Daei is the head coach and we are not gonna judge him just because he doesnt have the diploma..but WE THE PEOPLE and FANS
are the ultimate judges

[yashar_fasihnia]

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well said!!

[Amin_]

bahram jan, eshtebah mikonin.
there were other staff members as well. they can name themselves if they want to.

Here is one

[Kasra.]

^ Add another one as well

[Nokhodi]

This article says his contract with the Qatari club has been dissolved.
His manager tried to get him to Fullham but Fullham rejected the deal.
There are rumors of him joining Persepolis, but I highly doubt it.
http://perspolisnews.net/index.php?o...=6499&Itemid=1

خبرگزاری پرسپولیس : اين روزها شايعه بازگشت علي كريمي به پرسپوليس شنيده مي*شود، اين در حالي است كه مدير برنامه*هاي او تلاش مي*كند تا شرايط لازم را براي حضور كريمي در يكي از تيم*هاي اروپايي فراهم كند يا اينكه او را با يك مبلغ بالا به باشگاه*هاي عربي بفرستد.
به گزارش خبرگزاری پرسپولیس كريمي حاضر نيست كه در باشگاه السيليه قطر بماند و اين روزها هم بحث بازگشت اين بازيكن به فوتبال ايران و پيوستن او به پرسپوليس شنيده مي*شود. در اين ميان مدير برنامه*هاي كريمي در تلاش است تا او را به عضويت يكي از تيم*هاي خارجي درآورد.
مدير برنامه*هاي اين بازيكن چند روز پيش به مسئولان باشگاه فولام انگليس پيشنهاد داد كه اين بازيكن را جذب كنند ولي تلاش او فايده*اي نداشت و انگليسي*ها اين پيشنهاد را رد كردند. قرارداد كريمي با سيليه فسخ شده و به زودي اين بازيكن تيم جديدش را انتخاب خواهد كرد

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[maij]

The problem is that Ali needs to pay a hefty compensation for the Qatar Professional league if he elects to cancel his contract.

Trying to join to Fulham was a good attempt , but those Englishmen can't be fooled so easily specially that the coach , Roy Hodgson , is well aware of Ali Karimi's status during his reign as UAE national team coach.

[maij]

Just to put things in perspective.

Ali Karimi said he did NOT watch Team Melli vs Saudi match !

Damn ........ for one week before this crucial match , me amongst many other TM fans were excited , nervous, scared , defiant and living in suspense with adrenaline levels high , and this gentleman did not even bother himself watch his team play on TV........!!!!

[kaz]

That's really not a talking point. I know many professional football players and a lot - a lot - of them do not watch matches.

I suppose the "perspective" is that he doesn't care about TM? Hardly.

[kaz]

Of course, the law in the United Sates also empowers the judge to over-rule the jury if and when the judge finds flaws. Now, I am not a legal expert, I am merely mentioning it.

No, I have never heard of that. Of course, Australian law is different to American law but it is basically the same system. A judge can overrule a ruling, but not the same judge in the same case. On appeal with another judge, yes. But in the end, the decision, the verdict, is upto the jury. The judge can only give them legal advise for themselves to deliberate over.

The problem with general or public feeling or ruling is that it can be influenced by propaganda and other factors such as emotions. The hatred for the Muslims that has reached its height after the 911 is one such example. Every Muslim was considered a terrorist just because a bunch of extremist acted in such a hideous manner. The public , everywhere , tend to follow the party line and even in a country like Germany during the thirties , the Nazi propaganda machine of Hitler masterly orchestrated by his information minister Joseph Goebbels turned a civilized nation into one of hatred and warmongering culture.

That is why Juries are sequestered so that they are not affected by news stories or tabloids. In fact, if a juror was to get news/info it would be enough to try the whole case again.

So, the public can be easily influenced under certain circumstances by false or selective decimation of information that are manipulated by the sides that want to enforce their ideas , propaganda or party lines. I was never a believer in public lynching either, which can be a byproduct of such hatred against a person or a group, simply because people, despite their own beliefs, usually do not have enough information or insight about the subject to indulge in executing a person or a group.

The point is moot. Because not only can the "public" be influenced, so too can the professionals. Do you think ALL judges agree with each other? No, not even on the same case where they are sitting. Do you think ALL coaches agree? Certainly not, that is why there are pundits on TV all the time scrutinising other coaches.

Now, the court of law and football are two different things. Football, even with all it's intricacies, is just a simple game. To say the fans are not knowledgeable enough and parallel that to a court ruling (as if the risks are equal) is to exaggerate the effect for no other reason than to make people shut up about criticising TM.

“A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”
A small amount of knowledge can cause people to think they are more expert than they really are. Knowing a little about something tempts one to overestimate one's abilities.

That's true, but conversely, someone who knows too much can also trust their own intuition too much and be blinded by simple truths - that even the simple people can see.

About unconditional support, I agree with your synopsis and if it is to anyone interest I declare myself as a person with unconditional support for Team Melli , irrelative to circumstances , shortcomings, failures and what have you. The same unconditional support that I will have for my Children despite their inadequacy.
We are not living in a perfect world, and I guess a perfect society or a perfect person is yet to be officially declared. We all have our deficiencies and we all have different opinions, quite a few have some kind of an ego , we also judge differently of the half filled glass of water , as empty or as full. But one thing that I find disturbing in our society is how much emotion is used in our judgment process sometimes even to an obsessive level.

I agree. But that also goes for professionals. Furthermore, FOR this very reason it is ALWAYS important to give people the RIGHT to choose and have an opinion. OTHERWISE, it is a dictatorship. Once that happens, not only will bad opinions be stopped from reaching others but good ones too.

[kaz]

As for the whole Torres vs. Raul, Arragones isn't a strong beleive in Torres either. He subbed him every game pretty much, actually he kept the other Spain forward Villa in before he got injured but subbed Torress. So to you maybe the whole Torres thing was a big deal, but Spain team was much much more than mere Torres vs. Raul or for that matter any signle player in Spain.

To be frank, the comparison even between Raul/Aragones, Karimi,Kia/Daei is not equal. Did Aragones have any personal problems with Raul? No. He invited him plenty of times throughout the years but just before the tournament took a risk that he thought was necessary.

Now if there were real reasons to keep Kia and Karimi out, I don't think the backlash would be anywhere near this extent. However, because of the prior history between these former TM players, we all know what the decision is based on and the fact that Daei doesn't even give them the chance to prove themselves right (or Daei to even feel justified) makes it even worse.