IFF never signed a contract !!!

[gol_kuchik]

Folks let's not confuse the issues here.

1-IFF's ineptitude toward making professional agreements, and following up on it.
2-Political issues.

The reason 1 week ago we thought we had 9 friendlies and today none, has to do with
both. Only Egypt game cancellation can be directly attributed to plitics. But if someone
who had apparently fuked up royally in Clemente contract is again given the task of
organizing friendlies in Spain and elsewhere, and we do not even have a signed contract
who is at fault?

To me, IFF is using the poltical situation as an excuse to cover its own incompetence.

At a minimum, if Charlton says we never signed a contract, shouldn't someone from IFF
be waving the contract and say here it is?

The TM and fans are victims of this lack of responsibility on the part of IFF. Simply
put, why can't we have friendly with Uzbekstan? Turkey? Heck even Australia? Why
all these mysterious contracts with clubs in Europe? Because it does not need verification!!
With Egypt at least there was a reaon for cancellation.

Everytime one of these are blown, some money does not get paid. In the Clemente
case, I doubt Ali Daei makes anything even remotely close to the 1.8 mill Clemente
was asking. So some leech, MF official is doing whatever hell they want with these
money to fill their pockets, with no regard for Iran or TM.

When I asked on this very same forum we need to get IFF to have an official WEB
SITE, so it can give us the real deals, for some reason folks did not give it the support
it deserved. Sometimes I think we just need these useless/endless discussions
because if the problems were tackled systematically we won't have much to talk about.

In a way, that's to the liking of the main beneficiaries in Iran, we can argue the petty
issues till we are blue in the face and nothing will ever improve.

When was the last time anyone got fired for mishandling these situations?

[maij]

Agha Gol Kuchik.... Damet garm.. Excellent post.

Haji Jan...it is not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with me and I am hardly blaming IFF for all these events. I am pointing out to ONE issue which is the Spanish camp. There was never a signed agreement to play these matches , no arrangement just verbal discussions. I really cant add anything to these arguments with the facts in hand , else to emphasize that we are in 21st century and there are certain procedures that needs to be followed which is globally practiced..... IFF , or the agent in this case , did not do it.

The cancellation of the Egypt game is politically motivated , but you can hardly blame the Egyptians when Iran itself plays the same political game all the time....

At the end...We the fans , but particularly the boyz of Team Melli are hurt by all this.... It is regrettable....BUT not the end of the World either.

[zzgloo]

Folks let's not confuse the issues here.

1-IFF's ineptitude toward making professional agreements, and following up on it.
2-Political issues.

The reason 1 week ago we thought we had 9 friendlies and today none, has to do with
both. Only Egypt game cancellation can be directly attributed to plitics. But if someone
who had apparently fuked up royally in Clemente contract is again given the task of
organizing friendlies in Spain and elsewhere, and we do not even have a signed contract
who is at fault?

To me, IFF is using the poltical situation as an excuse to cover its own incompetence.

At a minimum, if Charlton says we never signed a contract, shouldn't someone from IFF
be waving the contract and say here it is?

The TM and fans are victims of this lack of responsibility on the part of IFF. Simply
put, why can't we have friendly with Uzbekstan? Turkey? Heck even Australia? Why
all these mysterious contracts with clubs in Europe? Because it does not need verification!!
With Egypt at least there was a reaon for cancellation.

Everytime one of these are blown, some money does not get paid. In the Clemente
case, I doubt Ali Daei makes anything even remotely close to the 1.8 mill Clemente
was asking. So some leech, MF official is doing whatever hell they want with these
money to fill their pockets, with no regard for Iran or TM.

When I asked on this very same forum we need to get IFF to have an official WEB
SITE, so it can give us the real deals, for some reason folks did not give it the support
it deserved. Sometimes I think we just need these useless/endless discussions
because if the problems were tackled systematically we won't have much to talk about.

In a way, that's to the liking of the main beneficiaries in Iran, we can argue the petty
issues till we are blue in the face and nothing will ever improve.

When was the last time anyone got fired for mishandling these situations?

gol-kuchik e aziz.......
I must disagree with all due respect.....
IFF ,in this particular case, has done what they were supposed to,
Friendly game ,, BY defenition ,, are FRIENDLY, and hence very seldum requrie contracts....as this is not the norm to have a contract for freindlies among nations....just a note, or freindly promise normaly does it....
And the proof of that, is no country's federation had asked IFF to sign a contract...............If IFF is not proffessional, why those 12 countries Football federations did not ask for contract.....some of the games were supposed to play in Iran, some in thier own countries, some in the nutral country....in any case...for freindlies , the norm is to do without contract..
And, going with your initial statemenet , ( Lets not get confused ).....
Iff,is this particular case...did more than typical countries' federations do...and even anticipated some cancelations, and that was why,the number of friendlies were more than neccessary......................
Countries do not want to associate with Iran....( If they do not have to ), and that is the only reason for our repeated cancellations , nothing els.
Even, if IFF had asked for contracts , ( Which is not the norm ), then they would have heard the " BIG NO " then, as it would have requried thier federation lawyers to decied and check for the feasebilities.......
We may be little embbrassed,as why IFF promises us, and gets us embbaressed.., but that does not make it thier fault for the cancellations.
They simply had thought, 50% of those promised would be enough....which it was not.....but IFF did more than any federation was supposed to.

[gol_kuchik]

......
Friendly game ,, BY defenition ,, are FRIENDLY, and hence very seldum requrie contracts....as this is not the norm to have a contract for freindlies among nations....just a note, or freindly promise normaly does it....
And the proof of that, is no country's federation had asked IFF to sign a contract...............If IFF is not proffessional, why those 12 countries Football federations did not ask for contract.....some of the games were supposed to play in Iran, some in thier own countries, some in the nutral country....in any case...for freindlies , the norm is to do without contract..

And, going with your initial statemenet , ( Lets not get confused ).....
Iff,is this particular case...did more than typical countries' federations do...and even anticipated some cancelations, and that was why,the number of friendlies were more than neccessary......................
Countries do not want to associate with Iran....( If they do not have to ), and that is the only reason for our repeated cancellations , nothing els.
Even, if IFF had asked for contracts , ( Which is not the norm ), then they would have heard the " BIG NO " then, as it would have requried thier federation lawyers to decied and check for the feasebilities.......

ZZ jan, let me explain why I believe a great deal of this is IFF fault.

First of all the purpose of scheduling a friendly game is to get a national TM like ours with players from all over the place who do not get a chance to play together, to come together
from their club at a set DATE so the coach can count on their presence and also an opponent to be there for this exercise. As you know better than me, coaches use team with variety of strength in opponents to fine tune their own team.

Role of IFF: IFF is assigned the task of arranging these friendlies. If cancellation of
2nd and 3rd TM friendlies in England back in 2006 (after QPR game) was a surprise,
if cancellation of Ukraine game and later friendly against Czech team were surprises,
by March of 2008, IFF must be thinking ok, if I want a friendly I need to put this on a
piece of paper. If it is not the norm, so be it, we are not talking normal conditions when
one guy runs unopposed to become the head of IFF are we? The point is, you are
making your own argument less pronounced by saying the norm is not to sign a paper, and then: if they ask for
such a thing, the other side will says a "BIG NO" ???? Well what does that tell you,
me or IFF? If they want to get a serious friendly they must get a contract and NOT
to rely on those who say BIG NO. (i.e doesn't a BIG NO on the part of an opponent
imply their lack of interest or commitment?)

The purpose of announcing there is a friendly, is not to make us fans feel good, but
for TM to do schedule. If someone does not want to commit to a plan then it seems
relying on them for our friendly game is simply flawed from PLANNING PRESPECTIVE.

If IFF can not get anyone to sign, they should be honest with TM and media and say,
No ONE is signing a contract for friendly, and let Mr.Ahmadi Nejad arrange one. By
not doing so, they create the false illusion that we can have adaquate prep when in
reality that's not the case. (Notice, I am not saying we can come up with great alternative, but this seems more like hiding our head in sands)

As it stands, (and the point of this thread) I believe was to state no such due deligence
was done to insure after so many failures we would not repeat the same mistake and
face the same problem.

At least the coach can plan a different alternative or know he can not count on
a friendly with outsiders.

As for contract, many clubs can be lured by financial interest, again if we had some
insight on how much money is set aside for friendlies (you can get almost any info
on U.S federation, all you need to do is ask ) then I would not be able to blame IFF
for impropriety in addition to incompetence.

[Doctor DOOM]

I'd just like to repeat this:

When was the last time anyone got fired for mishandling these situations?

excellently put

[zzgloo]

gol-kuchik e aziz......
As I said, had IFF asked for Contract,they would have recieved the " BIG NO ".!
And the reason is : Just like in the airport.....when Immigration of a country looks and checks the passport of visitors for 20 secounds...when it comes to iranian Passport,they take 5 minutes, and then ask for thier supperior to come and stamp the passport,since it requries more than one's deciesion.
Asking in advance for contract,would have made prospective teams to bring thier lawer,and state department to " OK ", because, it has the name " IRAN " on it.

And if you say, IFF should know that.....we should know ,that In Iran, no body knows Iran is hated...they think, there are some countries that USA pushes them to act against Iran.......
Iff,believes, and believed, spania, is least American European country,to set a camp..as well as eastern European country, such as Czech republic, to go......and lets get twice more freindlies,and get at least half worked out....................this is how they think.

[Kaveh]

he we go again, bazham hamaro sare kar gozashtan
Next time instead of let's take action against charlton, fifa, afc, etc thread we have to open Let's take action against idiots in IFF.

[Doctor DOOM]

As I said, had IFF asked for Contract,they would have recieved the " BIG NO ".!

bahram jan, how can you be so sure?
these are professional federations and officials we're talking about. not back street dealers who offer a deal as long as there's no paper trail or receipt.

the thing is IFF foolishly trusts many idiots around them who are there to make a quick buck and nothing more. we all are aware of the corruption and behind the scenes deals in Iran. IFF is no exception. someone's uncle or brother or cousin knows "a guy" who claims he can get this team or that one to come play. and more importantly, money will grease your palm as well as mine as well as "the guy"'s. and IFF says "go ahead. we'll also tell ppl how active and caring we are by telling everyone how many games we've arranged"!

It all goes back to a severe lack of professional attitude and naivety/stupidity on the part of our officials to do the tasks in a very immature and uneducated way.

[zzgloo]

I must admit I am not 100% ,about recieveing the " NO " .
But, the way I see it, any lower level officials of any country can, and has, offered or accepted friendly games......
But, when it comes to any contracts, The lawyers should approve the signings, noy just proffessional administrations..........as even kafashian does not sign anything unless a lawyer OK s it.................and consiguently.lawyers are under contract themseleves, to comply with the law,and policies, and poletics of the Governements......
So, When there is a talk of Contract....much more people get involved than just head of federations.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ absolutely correct.

that's why GK says ( and I believe him ) IFF didnt do the right thing or didnt go through the proper process to "confirm" these games.
just relying on some party from the other side's mere say so or an oral agreement will never suffice. and those can be very easily broken and denied ... as is evident here !