"personal feelings" still rule at TM !!!

[Ali Chicago]

regarding the talebloo -ahmadi issue, i think he wanted to test both of them and give both of them play time.
just like he invited mirzapour and talebloo in the beginning and gave both of them play time.
i think he was testing them all..

Still doesn't make sense. If he wanted to test them both, why he didn't invite Ahmadi in the first place? Only after Mirza got injured he wanted to test Ahmadi? Plus this late? Does this mean Rahmati isn't the first keeper? Even if that is the case, isn't this too late?

GN made the same mistake that invited gazillions of new players and keep testing. The team that played agaisnt Mexico and the team that palyed in AFC championship ver different teams. Point is, it is good to test players, but less than a month to play your first qaulification game probably against your most strong opponents and still experimenting?


During Branko era mostly the same players were invited (95%), and starting line up for Iran wasnt' a mystery to us (fans) or our opponents.

During GN and Daie, it seems TM has become a transition place, 100s of players keep getting invited, although GN at the end pretty much played the same Branko era team. We see how Daie does.

[pajamNL]

Being selected for this squad isn't quite an honor nor is being dropped from this squad a sign for having lost Daei's trust. The absence of fixed players like Hosseini (dammit he's from Saipa), Rahmati, Zare , Kaebi and others shows that Daei wanted an experimental squad.

Football isn't nuclear physics, but still complex enough that pros are needed for major decisions. Other than nuclear physics many, who don't fully understand it, believe they do like the pros. And then of course different pros will also not always make the same decisions.

Anyway, in my eyes personal feelings in TM are not the problems but personal feelings and maybe lack of understanding in Latveria might be...

well putted in

[yashar_fasihnia]

Still doesn't make sense. If he wanted to test them both, why he didn't invite Ahmadi in the first place? Only after Mirza got injured he wanted to test Ahmadi? Plus this late? Does this mean Rahmati isn't the first keeper? Even if that is the case, isn't this too late?
GN made the same mistake that invited gazillions of new players and keep testing. The team that played agaisnt Mexico and the team that palyed in AFC championship ver different teams. Point is, it is good to test players, but less than a month to play your first qaulification game probably against your most strong opponents and still experimenting?
During Branko era mostly the same players were invited (95%), and starting line up for Iran wasnt' a mystery to us (fans) or our opponents.
During GN and Daie, it seems TM has become a transition place, 100s of players keep getting invited, although GN at the end pretty much played the same Branko era team. We see how Daie does.

every team has 3 GKs in its final squad.
the way i see it, mehdy rahmati is our fixed number 1.
so he is fixed.

the other 2 spots are between vaezi, mirzapour and talebloo (im guessing this from the previous camps and previous squads daei has called up for various training camps)

now vaezi is injured (or just returning from injury??), that leaves mirzapour and talebloo battling for second and third position GK in the final squad.
so daei was using this tournament to test them and finalize this situation and during this test mirzapour also got injured.

so now that both vaezi and mirzapour are injured, we have rahmati and talebloo. so we need a 3rd GK dont we?? here is when daei has to invite another GK now that mirzapour got injured during the WAFF games. so rahman ahmadi comes and is tried in 1 game to give him a chance and see if can seal his place in the squad or not?? because rahmati has been tested many times previously in TM games and talebloo played in 3 games this WAFF tournament! so why not give 1 game to ahmadi and try him out??

[faraz]

Let's let the coach do his job, select who he wants, and if the performances on the field truly show that he has made a mistake, then I have trust that an attempt at a solution (given our meager choice for some positions, an 'attempt' is all we can hope for...) will be carried out. So far, I've genuinely enjoyed the football we have played (especially the latter qualifiers where we finally became a team, found some rhythm, and played some nice football)

Daei is much too smart a man (and a professional) to allow personal feuds ruin his reputation, especially at the expense of TM, the whole of Iran and millions of fans all over the world.

[BehzadB]

secondly, behzad jan, I appreciate your bar in evaluating players kept at such high levels that dont see any of the championship winning team qualify.

when I look at ALL the players available to be on the TM roster, in all honesty I didn't/don't find a single player from PP to be deserving to be on that list (I am talking about the final list, not the 40 or 50 players list)..

only one player and even that was a Maybe, (just maybe) , Nosrati, (alhamdoleha, oonam ke raft az persplis )

but are you keeping the same measuring stick for other players as well ? players like zareh, sadeghi, mirzapoor, .... ?

.. honestly , no not much..

but that's not relevant at this point. and that's what I have been trying to tell you through out our discussions on this issue..

for me, there is a minimum in everything.. any one that takes a job must be given a minimum time to show what he's got.. have we even given this guy enough time or opportunities for him to figure out what HE wants, first?

when I started opposing Branko, he had already been our coach for 4 years.. een amoo (daie ro mee-gam ) ke hanooz 4 mah ham morabi naboodeh ke..

if he right now feels Sadeghi is the man, then let him be.. but if Sadghi is our starting midfield, when he is 34, and Daie is still the coach, then we got a problem...

Jokes aside, one thing is certain. with the way he has changed his line up from game to game, he has shown me that he himself didn't (or still doesn't) know who he wants on his starting team.

[Ali Chicago]

every team has 3 GKs in its final squad.
the way i see it, mehdy rahmati is our fixed number 1.
so he is fixed.

the other 2 spots are between vaezi, mirzapour and talebloo (im guessing this from the previous camps and previous squads daei has called up for various training camps)

now vaezi is injured (or just returning from injury??), that leaves mirzapour and talebloo battling for second and third position GK in the final squad.
so daei was using this tournament to test them and finalize this situation and during this test mirzapour also got injured.

so now that both vaezi and mirzapour are injured, we have rahmati and talebloo. so we need a 3rd GK dont we?? here is when daei has to invite another GK now that mirzapour got injured during the WAFF games. so rahman ahmadi comes and is tried in 1 game to give him a chance and see if can seal his place in the squad or not?? because rahmati has been tested many times previously in TM games and talebloo played in 3 games this WAFF tournament! so why not give 1 game to ahmadi and try him out??

So if we go with your theory, Rahmati is number 1 Talebloo is number 2 and Ahmadi is number 3. If I am not mistaken, Ahmadi and Memar zadeh were invited to TM and even one of them started in Kuwait right? So going with your theory Mr. Daie benched his number 2 to let number 2 plays? Number 3 that was already invited and tested as a matter of fact!!!

Guess he is the head coach and knows what is best, but observing from outside his behavior doesn't make sense in this instance at least.

[Ali Chicago]

...Daei is much too smart a man (and a professional) to allow personal feuds ruin his reputation, especially at the expense of TM, the whole of Iran and millions of fans all over the world.

His behavior is kind of in direct contradiction with your in claim above (No Karimi, Rezai, Kia and Hashemian specially in light of WC 2006.

People are invited and start in TM that aren't even a starter in their own team and certain players not even get invited to the camp. If it isn't bias, what else we can call it. I bet you Ando as long as he has a pulse will start under Daie. So it seems to be the case with Ebi Sadeghi. If this ain't bias, I don't know what to call it.
But regardless even if he is one of that settles account, as long as he gets us to the WC on a good performance, I back him up. Success of TM is much more important than a bit of unjustice to Karimi, Kia etc.

[Ali Chicago]

when I look at ALL the players available to be on the TM roster, in all honesty I didn't/don't find a single player from PP to be deserving to be on that list (I am talking about the final list, not the 40 or 50 players list)..

only one player and even that was a Maybe, (just maybe) , Nosrati, (alhamdoleha, oonam ke raft az persplis )

.. honestly , no not much..

.....

From the current PP team, I think Masoud Zarie, Pejman noori, Nikbakht, Karim Begheri, definiltly deserve to get invited to TM. Zaree is much much better than both Kaabi and Gholam nezhad that Daie play on the right side. Daie should invite Khosro Haydari, Sivash Akbarpoor.

[yashar_fasihnia]

So if we go with your theory, Rahmati is number 1 Talebloo is number 2 and Ahmadi is number 3. If I am not mistaken, Ahmadi and Memar zadeh were invited to TM and even one of them started in Kuwait right? So going with your theory Mr. Daie benched his number 2 to let number 2 plays? Number 3 that was already invited and tested as a matter of fact!!!
Guess he is the head coach and knows what is best, but observing from outside his behavior doesn't make sense in this instance at least.

ahmadi or memarzadeh started against kuwait?? why? wat happened to rahmati that game??

but wat i do know is that none of these GKs besides mirzapour and to an extent have enough TM experience and havent tested enough. so i wont be surprised if they keep getting invited and get a game or two...

[faraz]

His behavior is kind of in direct contradiction with your in claim above (No Karimi, Rezai, Kia and Hashemian specially in light of WC 2006.

How so? We made it to the next round of qualifying without them and really, there was absolutely no need to call them up. In fact, we found some good players in the process and comfortably qualified. What better way to go forward than that?

People are invited and start in TM that aren't even a starter in their own team and certain players not even get invited to the camp. If it isn't bias, what else we can call it. I bet you Ando as long as he has a pulse will start under Daie. So it seems to be the case with Ebi Sadeghi. If this ain't bias, I don't know what to call it.

What does this matter though? As long as we get the results, certainly we are doing something right. Now I'm personally not even a fan of Sadeghi (and that's being nice), but if there are one or two players who's selections are questionable, I really do not think much of it...Heck, when have we ever had a full, 100% agreement with our coach's player selection?

But regardless even if he is one of that settles account, as long as he gets us to the WC on a good performance, I back him up. Success of TM is much more important than a bit of unjustice to Karimi, Kia etc.

And that's the truth of it brother. Interesting you mention with a 'good performance' - heck, I don't care if we tie our away games 0-0 and win our home games 1-0. I'll be a happy man no matter how we get there.

[Ali Chicago]

How so? We made it to the next round of qualifying without them and really, there was absolutely no need to call them up. In fact, we found some good players in the process and comfortably qualified. What better way to go forward than that?
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Faraz Jaan,
Did you seriously think beating Syria, UAE is a big achievement? I think our U23 team could/should have qualified from that group.

What does this matter though? As long as we get the results, certainly we are doing something right. Now I'm personally not even a fan of Sadeghi (and that's being nice), but if there are one or two players who's selections are questionable, I really do not think much of it...Heck, when have we ever had a full, 100% agreement with our coach's player selection?
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Destroys moral. Create Hasheiyeh, disappoints fan, hurts the sense of fairness. Besides Gholmareza Rezai, I don't think we found any other player. Hajsafi is the hoo ham everybody thinks. Playing Ando and Nekoo both will hurt us. An average Zandi as a starter that doesn't participate in defense will hurt our left side, against good teams. If Syria and UAE couldn't' take advantage of it, it doesn't mean better teams won't.

And that's the truth of it brother. Interesting you mention with a 'good performance' - heck, I don't care if we tie our away games 0-0 and win our home games 1-0. I'll be a happy man no matter how we get there.

Well Faraz Jaan, to be honest, I rather Iran doesn't make it to the WC, if we get there and have a performance like WC 2006 (except the first half of Iran Mexico game). Defend with 11 players against Portugal and play a weak game against Angola. That is why "good performance" matters. Same happened with the Branko team, we kind of made it as the second team, with a so so performance and WC was a nightmare, when our team for example couldn't play more than 60 minutes of football and was tired after that. Or even worst, we get to the WC and like KSA gets humiliated in the hands of German 8-0.

Hope you see why I try to qualify it with a "good performance".

[zzgloo]

Let's let the coach do his job, select who he wants, and if the performances on the field truly show that he has made a mistake, then I have trust that an attempt at a solution (given our meager choice for some positions, an 'attempt' is all we can hope for...) will be carried out. So far, I've genuinely enjoyed the football we have played (especially the latter qualifiers where we finally became a team, found some rhythm, and played some nice football)
Daei is much too smart a man (and a professional) to allow personal feuds ruin his reputation, especially at the expense of TM, the whole of Iran and millions of fans all over the world.

faraz jaan................where have you been man ?....you are not in some other football sites ? are you ? ...........just wanted to say,...it is good to see you here again..
Going back to your comment............you say " lets let the coach do his job ....": I must say, what can we do ?...not only there is not anything we can do,in cyber space, nor can president of Iran,or grand son of Khomaini do anything .....!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact of the matter is, our TM, is working with only four cylender out of its 8 cylenders !!!!, with a shaky performance against third rate Asian team...and our inexperinced head coach, is doing only thing he can do , as to find some new players , and copy " Klinsman "......not realizing, Klinsman, also was able to design new game plans !!!
Under daei, we are extremly predictable, and unimmaginative.....
TM has been waisting too much time to find a " better bench ", instead of settling with a fix ruster !...and while we had enough time to prepare for the saudi's.....at this moment, we waisted that time, and again we are short on time....since, nobody knows who will even play against saudi's, let alone, getting used to each other and working on game plans.
I worry for TM, and I believe, TM will be out coached in most up-comeing games .
Thats all !and take care !

[faraz]

Faraz Jaan,
Did you seriously think beating Syria, UAE is a big achievement? I think our U23 team could/should have qualified from that group.

I don't think it's a 'big' achievement, no. And you may right, our u23 team may have been able to qualify, but I sure as hell wouldn't want Daei to take that risk.

The point is, this was a necessary step toward qualification, and we did it quite comfortably. Albeit, we did have some shake-ups in our initial matches but for the most part and especially the more we played together, I felt we did well as a unit.

Destroys moral. Create Hasheiyeh, disappoints fan, hurts the sense of fairness. Besides Gholmareza Rezai, I don't think we found any other player. Hajsafi is the hoo ham everybody thinks. Playing Ando and Nekoo both will hurt us. An average Zandi as a starter that doesn't participate in defense will hurt our left side, against good teams. If Syria and UAE couldn't' take advantage of it, it doesn't mean better teams won't.

I don't agree that fans were disapointed. I was quite happy that Kia, Hash and Karimi weren't selected - we clearly did not need their services so early and it allowed them time to train with their clubs and so on. A win-win situation if you ask me.

Also, I don't think Ando and Nekoo will play at the same time and IMO, it is a mistake to have them on together. I think Ando would make a great sub for Nekoo, especially in the 60th/70th minute when legs start to tire. He could be a great ball winner and a positive change with the way he runs and hustles.

Well Faraz Jaan, to be honest, I rather Iran doesn't make it to the WC, if we get there and have a performance like WC 2006 (except the first half of Iran Mexico game). Defend with 11 players against Portugal and play a weak game against Angola. That is why "good performance" matters. Same happened with the Branko team, we kind of made it as the second team, with a so so performance and WC was a nightmare, when our team for example couldn't play more than 60 minutes of football and was tired after that. Or even worst, we get to the WC and like KSA gets humiliated in the hands of German 8-0.
Hope you see why I try to qualify it with a "good performance".

Ali Jan, the fact that our team cannot play more than 60 minutes is not the problem of Daei or any other TM coach. Fitness levels across Iran are generally low (I know you know this already) and I really struggle to think of players who can stay active for the full 90 minutes against European/African teams. Heck, even the Concacaf teams (Mexico, US, probably even Canada) can outlast us on the field. This is a problem that should be solved at the club level - I don't expect any TM coach to suddenly raise the level of fitness of TM players in those dinky 1 month camps. There are obvious exceptions (lGuus Hiddink for example), but for the most part, other teams have the luxury of being able to select fit players.

At the end of it all, I suppose it is a difference of opinion - I want nothing more than for TM to qualify no matter how they manage to do it and you ask for good performances + qualification.

It all comes down to our expectations .

[faraz]

faraz jaan................where have you been man ?....you are not in some other football sites ? are you ? ...........just wanted to say,...it is good to see you here again..

Salam ZZ Jan,

I've been around, mostly checking the forums, not posting too much - working away and this and that. Of course I'm not in other sites, PFDC is the only place for me, and it's good to be here too.

Going back to your comment............you say " lets let the coach do his job ....": I must say, what can we do ?...not only there is not anything we can do,in cyber space, nor can president of Iran,or grand son of Khomaini do anything .....!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact of the matter is, our TM, is working with only four cylender out of its 8 cylenders !!!!, with a shaky performance against third rate Asian team...and our inexperinced head coach, is doing only thing he can do , as to find some new players , and copy " Klinsman "......not realizing, Klinsman, also was able to design new game plans !!!

Four cylinders out of eight! Wow, we have some pretty high expectations of our football here! lol I suppose that has its ups and downs, but hey, these teams we beat (Syria, UAE, Kuwait) look easy on paper, but when they play against us, I'm still nervous (and was nervous...) until the final whistle was blown. I can actually say I was satisfied with our preliminary performance. Remember last qualifying stage, in the first round?? We begged Hashemian for his services and he saved our ass in the last couple of games - this was an easy qualification comparatively!

Under daei, we are extremly predictable, and unimmaginative.....
TM has been waisting too much time to find a " better bench ", instead of settling with a fix ruster !...and while we had enough time to prepare for the saudi's.....at this moment, we waisted that time, and again we are short on time....since, nobody knows who will even play against saudi's, let alone, getting used to each other and working on game plans.
I worry for TM, and I believe, TM will be out coached in most up-comeing games .
Thats all !and take care !

I didn't really see him getting outcoached, but perhaps we didn't have a 'true test' - though we tried and tried to get friendlies, and as usual, they all got cancelled . I feel bad for Daei because it looked as if he genuinely pushed for them.

For the first time in a long time, I'm remaining optimistic about the Saudi and have a good feeling. I think the player selection will be more or less the same with some key additions, but we'll see ZZ jan, not too much left here...let the nausea/queasiness/stomach pains begin .

[zzgloo]

For the first time in a long time, I'm remaining optimistic about the Saudi and have a good feeling. I think the player selection will be more or less the same with some key additions, but we'll see ZZ jan, not too much left here...let the nausea/queasiness/stomach pains begin .

I already have stomach upset !for our first game.....
I have a very strong feeling, this game,will be ( THE ) game of the century for us !
If we win,It will be a begining of a new Era, and perfect start which will give the momentum that may possibly carry us through the WC.
If we lose, it may usher a new Era, for the saudi's ,as replacement of Iran,as the Number one power house in west asia, and replace Iran,in top 4 powers of Asia.as well as setting bad mood for Iran,which could easily lead to Iran's disqualification from WC...that could even possibly continue for following WCs' qualifications as well.
I do not see, Daei haveing all our 8 cylenders working for such " KEY " match !
ps,...I do not know, how could you have missed Daei getting out coached against " Metso", ....on both games with UAE...even on our win !?