A very positive change

[Martin-Reza]

For years in Iranian football taking the lead meant pulling back and defending.

Even against weaker teams we almost always played defensively after scoring the first goal and often we allowed the opposition to come back into the game by that.

I have the impression these days are over. Seemingly Daei has gotten this Italian approach out of the players heads, in recent games, already in WCQ, we kept on pushing forward and dominating the game despite leading and I consider that a huge improvement.

[Ali Chicago]

For years in Iranian football taking the lead meant pulling back and defending.
Even against weaker teams we almost always played defensively after scoring the first goal and often we allowed the opposition to come back into the game by that.
I have the impression these days are over. Seemingly Daei has gotten this Italian approach out of the players heads, in recent games, already in WCQ, we kept on pushing forward and dominating the game despite leading and I consider that a huge improvement.

That is a good news if it really occurs. I did'n't see a single WAFF games, so can't judge based on that. However in UAE game after Zandi's score, our team pull backed and defended like the good old days!!!!

So don't know what data samples you used to come to this conclusion. BTW I really hope your are rigth and this positive things going to happen to our TM.

[Martin-Reza]

Well, UAE I agree, but Kuwait and Syria was better already in WCQ. Now iT's much better.

[Vahshi]

Im glad someone else noticed that too. I was really tired of the 'ok we just scored, now lets all defend that narrow lead' mentality. I really hope that this new mentality is here to stay.

[zzgloo]

I certainly hope,what martin-reza e aziz says.is true.....
Our games against Kuwait in kuwait,and against UAE in UAE, was totaly the opposite......
It may be that daei is trying to test our offensive powers, and stablish a scoreing offense mentality...which is also good....
But, Daei does not seem to be particularly more offensive minded,during important games.......

[the-ali]

I was about to say we have abandoned the Italian approach but then read the rest of your post and you said it

its good to look at the positives especialy since we are in a tough group and the qualification results may come to the last matchday and even might go through goal difference!

[maij]

I quite agree.

There seems to be some sense of offensive mentality in the team. There is nothing worse than setting on a one goal lead in a match a tactic that many Arabic teams are employing.

Kudos to such mentality.

[Doctor DOOM]

I agree with martin when we talk about kuwait game and the waff games.
TM didnt rest on the single goal lead and the new comers showed hunger and were motivated to prove themselves , hence more attacking football and more goals.

a refreshing and welcome ( winsome ) sight after quite a few years of cautious, defensive football.

But ali , also, is right.
in a way, the UAE game was a very important and crucial game for us and TM's approach was not the same hungry-attacking one we see these days.
perhaps they are more relaxed and at ease in the less consequential games, which allows them to stretch and try stuff they woulodnt attempt in more serious circumstances.

but I hope this hungry approach remains with the team coz it suits us very well indeed.
afterall, our nature of football IS an attacking one and our players are most comfortable with such an approach, which allows them to flourish and show their stuff.

[Ali Chicago]

I agree with martin when we talk about kuwait game and the waff games.
TM didnt rest on the single goal lead and the new comers showed hunger and were motivated to prove themselves , hence more attacking football and more goals.

a refreshing and welcome ( winsome ) sight after quite a few years of cautious, defensive football.

But ali , also, is right.
in a way, the UAE game was a very important and crucial game for us and TM's approach was not the same hungry-attacking one we see these days.
perhaps they are more relaxed and at ease in the less consequential games, which allows them to stretch and try stuff they woulodnt attempt in more serious circumstances.

but I hope this hungry approach remains with the team coz it suits us very well indeed.
afterall, our nature of football IS an attacking one and our players are most comfortable with such an approach, which allows them to flourish and show their stuff.

Hope not being labled as another Daie hater, but to be honest, I am worried this wins in WAFF creates a false sense of confidence.

Remember how Iran played a team from some Ghana neighborhoods or some C team from Jamaica before AFC championship (under GN) and demolished them 6-2 and 8-something? That is how GN dug his own grave. Team got ****y and we went and played the first game against Uzbaks and realized yek man masst che ghadr kareh dareh.

WAFF team except two three players won't be starters in WC 2010 qualifications anyways.

Of course, this is my personal opinion. But in WAFF games Mr. Daie missed an opportunity. Either he should have played with the skeleton of his main team for the WC2010 qualifications minus the legioners (their clubs won't release them anyways). So basically treat WAFF as a preparation stage for WC 2010 qualification and use it for coordination among 50-60% of the starters.

If he didn't do that, he could have establish a great tradition in our football by sending the U23 or even U21 teams plus 2-3 key players to WAFF games. This would have created a good tradition and foundation for our TM (u23, U21, U19 even).

Our teams at the U19 to U23 for the past 8 years have't done well. Daie's charisma postion and support among government would have allowed him to convince the IFF and Sazeman Tarbiyat Badani to agree with this and even if our team didn't win WAFF, it wouldn't have been the end of the world. Players at the U23 level are the future of our TM, they need development.

[maij]

Hope not being labled as another Daie hater, but to be honest, I am worried this wins in WAFF creates a false sense of confidence.
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Ali Agha.... Because the web and internet is the way it is , people will get impression of each other ( sometimes wrongly , I might add) by the way they interpret one's writing.

The reader can not see the face of the writer while typing nor his/her expressions , he only see patterns , writing styles , words and sentences.

If the writer consistently tries to fault someone , be mostly negative (giving a few shy or veiled praises now and then) , Hardly credits the guy (unless it is so obvious ) , declare ones disliking of that person , publicly condemns the guy , sides with his opponents , creates side issues for him.....then obviously that writer is labeled as a hater of that person.

Of course , all those impressions can be false , and the intent could be entirely different , but the limitation of the net and this type of communication naturally creates such feelings.

I have learned this by experience and I find people can swiftly misinterpret one's writing. But then again , we are human and to be a human is to err.

[Doctor DOOM]

I agree with martin when we talk about kuwait game and the waff games.
TM didnt rest on the single goal lead and the new comers showed hunger and were motivated to prove themselves , hence more attacking football and more goals.

a refreshing and welcome ( winsome ) sight after quite a few years of cautious, defensive football.

But ali , also, is right.
in a way, the UAE game was a very important and crucial game for us and TM's approach was not the same hungry-attacking one we see these days.
perhaps they are more relaxed and at ease in the less consequential games, which allows them to stretch and try stuff they woulodnt attempt in more serious circumstances.

but I hope this hungry approach remains with the team coz it suits us very well indeed.
afterall, our nature of football IS an attacking one and our players are most comfortable with such an approach, which allows them to flourish and show their stuff.

having said the above, I'd like to revise my position with regards to the general attitude adopted at TM.
(btw, I havent read any other posts after mine, so forgive me if I may be repeating anyone else's. I just thought a bit more about what I said and somehow somethings didnt fit in, hence the revision )

I will reserve my judgment on Daei's ( seemingly ) attacking approach .
why?
becoz an attacking minded coach would not put 3 defensive mids in his midfield, with NO PLAYMAKER. irrespective of the results of the game, the philosophy and attitude of the game cannot be taken as an "attacking" one.
so I'd say a LARGE part of what we saw on the score boards was due to the opponent's inability & weakness to defend or measure up against our lads.

I'd have digested the "attacking attitude" far easier had I seen the more attacking kind of line ups and rosters. merely looking at the numbers on the board will not reveal the INTENTIONS & PLANS behind the game.

[perspolees]

one simple answer for the hunger is the average age of the team and the need to prove themselves and get better contracts hopefully from europe...

[Ali Chicago]

Ali Agha.... Because the web and internet is the way it is , people will get impression of each other ( sometimes wrongly , I might add) by the way they interpret one's writing.

The reader can not see the face of the writer while typing nor his/her expressions , he only see patterns , writing styles , words and sentences.

If the writer consistently tries to fault someone , be mostly negative (giving a few shy or veiled praises now and then) , Hardly credits the guy (unless it is so obvious ) , declare ones disliking of that person , publicly condemns the guy , sides with his opponents , creates side issues for him.....then obviously that writer is labeled as a hater of that person.

Of course , all those impressions can be false , and the intent could be entirely different , but the limitation of the net and this type of communication naturally creates such feelings.

I have learned this by experience and I find people can swiftly misinterpret one's writing. But then again , we are human and to be a human is to err.

The day Daie got his post, I told, I dont' like that choice, but now that he is the head coach, I support him. My posts are there as well. The problem it seems, is the interpretation of the support among us (Iranians). To some in PFDC support seems to be giving a blanck check of approval to whoever is running the show.


Wrote this in the other thread and asked Pajam the same question. I highlighted this in you post as well (see above). It is not I am trying to fault someone. I am simply an observer. Some one else does something, his actions aren't figment of my imagination. Daie doesn't invite Kia, Hashemian, Karimi. Invites and even play them in TM a whole bunch of people who in their own team aren't starters. it seems our team will go to KSA without a single friendly game. TM is going to start its WC qualification campaign in KSA without a single frinedly. Not even playing against our own club teams. To me there are problems. Head coach of the TM, cancels the UZB Aug20th game without a logical explanation. I am in shock to see, no one else talks about these to be honest. Don't see a single thread from Ala or you (as Daie/TM supporters) talking about this issues, as positive people, so the so called "negative" people like me don't see a need to bring up these issues. When I raise these, then I guess it makes me a so called "negative" person and "hater". So be it.

I don't mind the label, I got the same lables when I laughed in 1978 at people who claimed to see the picture of Khomeini in the moon or found a thread of his hair in the Quran. To me someone gotta say "Emperor has no cloths".
This doen't mean I am obliged to criticize everything that Daie does in the future, or if I (with my limited humanly possible brain power) see actions from Daie that I think are good for the TM. But rather than labeling myself as Daie critic or so called "supporter", I simply reserve the right to judge the person (in this case Mr. Daie) by his actions, rather than judging actions based on who is doing them.

[Ali Chicago]

I saw the Kuwait game in WC qualification again and to be honest, I didn't see a major attitude change in either games in Tehran or Kuwait city. Our team as soon as it scores, pulls back. This isn't Mr. Daie's fault btw. We see the same phenomenon in our clubs as well (both SS and PP). This in part is the result of so called "tactic napaziri" of our footballers. Since they aren't raised in a professioal football environment from their youth years, to follow the head coaches plans in the field.
WAFF games I have't watched, but I think it is immaterial since teams are so weak, that our team doesn't get a real pressure from them regardless.
So in summary, I think it is pre mature to call a major attitude change in our TM.

[zzgloo]

Ali Agha.... Because the web and internet is the way it is , people will get impression of each other ( sometimes wrongly , I might add) by the way they interpret one's writing.

The reader can not see the face of the writer while typing nor his/her expressions , he only see patterns , writing styles , words and sentences.

If the writer consistently tries to fault someone , be mostly negative (giving a few shy or veiled praises now and then) , Hardly credits the guy (unless it is so obvious ) , declare ones disliking of that person , publicly condemns the guy , sides with his opponents , creates side issues for him.....then obviously that writer is labeled as a hater of that person.

Of course , all those impressions can be false , and the intent could be entirely different , but the limitation of the net and this type of communication naturally creates such feelings.

I have learned this by experience and I find people can swiftly misinterpret one's writing. But then again , we are human and to be a human is to err.

Maij jaan......You say it very well, as we all have small windows to judge eachother with................I am so glad to see this post from you, as I was under an impresion that you were among those who judge so fast, and brand people with few posts,.........which may be intrepurted wrongly( as you just admited so ) !.........To be honest with you, the reason, Ali chicago,self censored himself,and started his post with " I hope I am not considered as an daie hater ....etc ".....was in my opinion, because of fear of coments " Branding and Calling members haters ",...comeing from posters who brand others, and unfortunatly,you also at times done so !................I am being honest, and at the same time respectfull of you !!
I have noticed,you are a humble member who trys always to be realistic, and positive.........which is very honorable !.................But, what should another member, as humble and as intelegent as you, who realy believes Daei as a very wrong choice,should write like ?.............This is a big question !.....if he is consistant in being against Daei, does that mean, he has psycological problems ? or a hater ?...............the best he can do, as members ,such as Ali and I do, is never insult daei personaly, and try to be open to acknowlegde positives,when see some !
As you said so correctly, Syber expression, can never be a relaible tool, to know others......but, humility, ( as I have seen you haveing ), may be indication of quality !................nevertheless, if a person is arrogant,it does not neccessarly mean he is wrong !....................
We are in a same boat, and we should creat a loveing,tolerating,take it easy, atmospher...and give many chances to fellow members to re-express themseleves..........I am , convinced,specialy after this above post of yours, you do that...and I hope I could do as well !