This is a Test for TM and Iranian Football

[Amirza]

Now..this the kind of extremely cheap shot that immensely pisses me off
What you are saying is nothing short of slanderous, insulting pack of lies and offensive to me.

Dear Maij - I am sorry if you are offended - those words were certainly meant to be offensive - but not towrds you, the press or any other victim of such manipulative methods of oppressing voices. The attack was targeted at IFF and anyone who abuses any system which disfavours those who crtiticize them. The IFF ruling body is part of the same menatlity which kills journalists - for voicing a critical opinion.

[Amirza]

3- ppl who want the team to perform at a higher level.
these ppl dont really care who is in charge, as long as the TEAM plays good football.
be it x or y or even branko.

Excellent response - DD Jaan

Who cares who the coach is - Fix the system. And I must disagree with those who say we have no time - Let's start fixing the system today. Fixing this system - may mean little to our upcoming WC matches - but then again it may be huge - don't undermine it. I know we can and will be limited by the time factor - but whose to say what the smallest adjustment can do to our team - especialy in this level of marginal and close competitions. Not that we are close to Brazil or the other top teams - but when you get to the next level of teams, on any given day, we can compete against any.

[ARYA]

ARYA AGHA....did you say that you have been supporting Team melli for the past 40 years ????

Ay baba...damet garm....I thought I was the grand dad of this


You must have been playing against Marhoom Dehdari in your days

maij jan,

I only wish that I'd had the pleasure of playing against the likes of Parviz Dehdari, Mostafa Arab, Ghelichkhani, Kalani, Hejazi, etc. etc.

looking back I find myself very lucky to have watched these individuals and others alike playing their football live.

Don't you see, Iran's history in football is so rich and it saddens me to hear certain individuals, specifically ones who were not fortunate enough to have experienced what I have, downplay Iran's potential. We have so much more to offer than what some of us here let on, therefore, I can not in my right mind accept it when someone says that we are not that good, or that the IPL has not produced the right man for this or that position.

We are a country not new to football. We have such a glorious history in the sport so I know for a fact that we are a country not lacking in talent. Within the hundreds of thousands of Iranians currently playing football we are bound to have at the least two to tree candidates for each position on TM. What it therefore boils down to is a matter of preference.

Some of us here are just not satisfied with the inclusion of certain individuals in our current roster regardless of their lackluster performance on the TM pitch. We are not the coach, in that you are absolutly correct, but we will certainly voice both our pleasure and displeasures.

[maij]

Dear Maij - I am sorry if you are offended - those words were certainly meant to be offensive - but not towrds you, the press or any other victim of such manipulative methods of oppressing voices. The attack was targeted at IFF and anyone who abuses any system which disfavours those who crtiticize them. The IFF ruling body is part of the same menatlity which kills journalists - for voicing a critical opinion.

I thought so

You are excused then

[maij]

maij jan,

I only wish that I'd had the pleasure of playing against the likes of Parviz Dehdari, Mostafa Arab, Ghelichkhani, Kalani, Hejazi, etc. etc. .

Ahhh....you are singing my tune now.

Although I have missed Dehdari's playing days , the rest were all heros of mine and specially the outstanding Parviz Ghleechkhani....Like yourself, I also find myself very lucky to have seen different era of Iranian football.

Don't you see, Iran's history in football is so rich and it saddens me to hear certain individuals, specifically ones who were not fortunate enough to have experienced what I have, downplay Iran's potential. We have so much more to offer than what some of us here let on, therefore, I can not in my right mind accept it when someone says that we are not that good, or that the IPL has not produced the right man for this or that position.

Yes there is pedigree in Iranian football, but somehow such history is not necessarily an ingredient of your success. India, for example had football well before Iran. Success in football is very sophisticated and people who know the secrets are probably millionaires.

We are a country not new to football. We have such a glorious history in the sport so I know for a fact that we are a country not lacking in talent. Within the hundreds of thousand Iranians currently playing football we are bound to have at the least two to tree candidates for each position on TM. What it therefore boils down to is a matter of preference. .

In theory , this is correct. Practically ,it does not always work.
Uruguay with less than 2 million population has won the World Cup 2wice , while India never qualified for the WC, Chine qualified once only.

It is not about population... I am not really sure what ticks , although I have several theories.

Some of us here are just not satisfied with the inclusion of certain individuals in our current roster regardless of their lackluster performance on the TM pitch. We are not the coach, in that you are absolutely correct, but we will certainly voice both our pleasure and displeasures.

Very true.
As fans we express pleasure, satisfaction or dissatisfaction according to results or combination of results and performances. Even the degree of satisfaction is different from one fan to another and from one match to another. This is why we are here at such forums.

What I find quite disturbing and unreasonable , is when a coach is being attacked by the masses who under-estimate his intelligence and knowledge and dictating to him which player should he play !!!!

I don't find that attitude compatible with being a football fan. Furthermore, there are people who barely seen a few matches in their whole life , start act like professional theorists !!!!!

Never mind........ I simply have a different opinion and perspective about being a Team Melli fan.....and like I said.....the mere fact of watching them play gives me an immense pride and pleasure...... this feeling of mine has been like that for decades.

[Doctor DOOM]

actually, majid jan, India was invited ( for sometime, countries were INVITED to world championships like fifa WC or olympics ) , but the indians declined !!
this invitation was extended since they had won the asian games gold ( I think Iran was eliminated in the earlier rounds ).
if I'm not mistaken, they also shared yet another asian gold with Iran.
I think it was in the 50's.


on another occasion, they attended the olympics football tourney, and some of their players, being used to playing barefooted, played the game with bare feet !

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but I totally understand arya jan's mention of "pedigree".
right now, Iran is a pedigree team.
yes, we had our little dip, but we resurfaced in 96, and we havent looked back since.

like it or not, we ARE among the asia's royalty.
I think zz captured it perfectly, saying we at least shd aim to be the best ASIAN team at the games.
this is nothing flighty, and imminently do-able.
but we are NOT playing like royalty.
heck, at times we dont play like pretenders even !!
and we are NOT getting better !!

this is what worries ppl like us.
this is what concerns us, that in the biggest show , in front of billions, we display some haphazzard, confused and ultra-frightened football , ending up in Iran being ridiculed by the whole world !

[maij]

this is what worries ppl like us.
this is what concerns us, that in the biggest show , in front of billions, we display some haphazzard, confused and ultra-frightened football , ending up in Iran being ridiculed by the whole world !

I think you are creating a doomsday scenario , Peyman Jan....

So what will happen to the likes of us if Team Melli is humiliated in the WC ??? My worst scenario will be a bunch of teen agers or delinquit juveniles teasing the Iranians for a while and some sh*t Head English Journalist By the name of Brian something demanding that FIFA reduces the number of Asian teams in the WC to 1 only !!!

So......Not exactly the end of the world , is it ????
Or maybe you should ask the Saudi's , who are getting freaking richer and richer everyday , despite their humilation in WC2002

Not all the people of this world are the "Shishtaeee" type. There are grown ups , civilized and mature that live in this globe of ours....

[Doctor DOOM]

majid jan, I would nt care about those juveniles.

I am bothered about us having a shot at doing something that many would talk about ( like nigeria, senegal, cameroon, turkey... ) , and WASTE it on being frightened.

waste it becoz dadkan and many others FORCED us with their attitude :
"so what if we dont make it to the olympics? the skies will not fall down to earth !! "
remember the very same words?
both MK and dadkan said it.

and how we rue our Omid team missing out on the olympics?
the Omid team that was arguably the strongest and most exciting one we've ever had.
all becoz of mismanagement and this attitude ; call it mediocre, call it inferiority complex, call it exaggerated humility, call it whatever u want.

why are YOU saying so what if we lose badly?
I'd have expected you to want TM to make a mark in football history.
I know I DO.

I ask WHY should we lose badly, when we have such stars in the team?

lets face it, I doubt we'd get a much better gathering of experience, youth and exposed pro's in the same team for a long time.

WHY waste it on a mediocre mentality and approach ?


no, the world will not come to an end.
no, none of us ( hopefully ) will commit suicide either.
we all will get up and cheer for the team the next time they have a game, also.

but we WILL rue.
we will damn our .... "luck" ( or vision, or stubbornness, or attitude, oir .... ) for the LOST OPPORTUNITY.

[ARYA]

I think you are creating a doomsday scenario , Peyman Jan....

So what will happen to the likes of us if Team Melli is humiliated in the WC ??? My worst scenario will be a bunch of teen agers or delinquit juveniles teasing the Iranians for a while and some sh*t Head English Journalist By the name of Brian something demanding that FIFA reduces the number of Asian teams in the WC to 1 only !!!

So......Not exactly the end of the world , is it ????
Or maybe you should ask the Saudi's , who are getting freaking richer and richer everyday , despite their humilation in WC2002

Not all the people of this world are the "Shishtaeee" type. There are grown ups , civilized and mature that live in this globe of ours....

Oh my God in Heaven what are you saying maij

So what will happen to the likes of us if Team Melli is humiliated in the WC??? What kind of an attitude is this for a Team Melli fan??

You are comparing the views of others, which happen to be different than yours, along with our analysis of an incompetent organization such as the IFF and an ineffective coaching mentality, as doomsday mentality. Is that what we portray to you when we bring to light certain aspect of the TM game which in everyone’s opinion require strengthening?

No, it would not be the end of all life as we know it, should TM get humiliated at the WC. We will all pick ourselves up and cheer for our TM at the very next game, but would you feel indifferent if such a thing were to happen?? Of course you wouldn’t, you will be devastated.

I don’t believe the picture you wish to portray by your above statement is that you feel indifferent about TM’s fortunes, on the contrary, I know you to be quite a devoted fan. Nor will I accept that you have given in and have thrown in the towel before the big event itself. Therefore, I can only assume that the above statement is meant to render individuals such as us fans who are critical, irrational.

[maij]

I asked a simple question , but got no answer for my question. What will happen if we lose big time ?

I offered a scenario or an answer , but all I got from you is something like : HOW DARE YOU ASK THIS QUESTION ?

C'mon then , answer this question.

I did not say that I will be a happy man if TM looses big time , please do not twist my answer to indicate that I will be the happiest man in the world if we lose big time !!!!!!

[Doctor DOOM]

majid jan, I think both me and arya answered you.

the answer was : the skies will not fall down to earth and the world would not end.
we would still cheer and scream for our TM, no matter what.

but that does not say we shd NOT try to achieve something either.

hence the question ; how and why would you asdk such a Q.

coz to have such a mentality at the onset, we have already set the scene for a mediocre and mundane campaign of 3 games, and coming back home.

especially after this draw, I think we DO have a chance to advance.
and if we DONT UTILIZE it , I know many ppl like me, will fell hard done, disappointed and look at it as a great opportunity lost for mediocre and inferior attitude.

[zzgloo]

Just three months ago, Argentina beat Brazil 4 to one...and little later Brazil beat argentina 3 - 0..........but, I did not see any one them crying !!!
In my opnion ,no team in this world cup is going to be humiliated !!,actualy the possibility of obsets are much higher !!!........
Watch out for the Costa-Rica to obset the germans in the germany,on the very first day !!!!!!!!!!!

[ramingeles2000]

martin reza...one of the only voices of reason on this entire board...i commend you, sir.

Branko has proven himself. Every coach has to get started somewhere. All the 'replacements' everyone on this board has suggested, weren't born world class coaches. Branko is well on his way to becoming one...having led a team that failed to qualify to wc2002, and a team that lost its quarterfinal match in the asian cup 2000 to the world cup and to 3rd place, is definitely on the route to being world class.

shame on you who call him a 'third class eastern european coach'. he's better than we've ever had.

[Doctor DOOM]

ramin jan, nobody denies the reality that everyone has to start from somewhere.
ths issue of having enough experience to deal with all the TOP tier coaches at the WC is one.
but this, just by itself is no reason to not consider branko.

and I am sure if the team was performing well no-one would have minded much. so TM's perfpormance is the second issue.

but to come up short on BOTH issues ( coupled with an extremely light weight support staff - can be the third issue ) makes one worry and concerned.

[Amirza]

Once again the Iranian community is proving to love the "NO ACTION" alternative !!

Yes go ahead and sit on your butts for another 6 months - excersie your favorite option: Do NOTHING !!

Go ahead and justify your "Give-UP" attitude, and the lack of WILL and DRIVE towards betterment - by sewing the sky to earth.