This is a Test for TM and Iranian Football

[maij]

I tend to believe what another member said earlier - you guys don'r want to lose your stadium or TM camp passes or certain rights such as interview rights, etc. And we understand -.

[Doctor DOOM]

cant beleive I missed majid jan's words on PFDC members trying to coach TM.
sorry. I guess I didnt notice that at all !

majhid jan,
you must agree nobody here wants to coach TM.

and if at all we bring up issues on the team is perhaps to find reasons for their existence, reasons for the contunued occurence, and to seek different ideas by different ppl to see how they look at these issues .

noone wants to take the helm, but you surely cannot expect ppl to just bow down and stay quiet at the face of repetition of mistakes and defects.

you yourself have expressed some annoyance over a few issues.
so you'd know why ppl talk about different matters.
I dont think anyone misunderstood your discussions on those matters as your ploy to take over the helm of TM bench.

yes, he is the coahc.
yes, he has a Phd ( in physical training or ... whatever ).
but as we say, in ke noon-e shab nemisheh baraye maa !
we are still seeing many deficiencies in the team unattended .... or , ok, attended, but failed to resolve.

so shd we keep quiet and be happy with one attempt ( I dont know how forceful or measely it may have been ) to correct a defect, and say "ok, he tried. now lets accept it and live with it" !!! ?????

without going over many LOOOOONNGGG-standing issues, some of us are puzzled and confounded as how on earth when he is supposed to have learnt so much from his boss, and has a Phd, and ....... , he has not come even an inch closer in solving those longstanding problems !

isnt it fair to question this?

plz dont say it is unfair, coz for me , branko's comfort and relaxation means the least, and TM's quality and performance is THE ONLY thing that matters.

so if by enquiring about these longstanding problems, branko's delicate sentiments are offended .... well, I could give a rat's arse!
All I care is solving TM's problems.

now, if he is not capable to cope with inquieries and rectify the defects, then khey-e peesh. khosh amadi.
bring on someone else.

so far he has proven INCAPABLE to rectify these matters ( I dont care if he has tried this much or that much . the FACT of the matter is that those issues still remain ).
so shd we bow down, accept our miserable "fate" and go into the games limping on ne leg, with a keeper situation, ... a defender situation... a striker situation.... ?

some of us dont want that fate.

[maij]

Peyman Jan.....I can't beleive that you are going round and round and round again arguing the same points.

Agha....who said that Branko ( or anyone for that matter) is beyond criticiscm ????? Who said he is perfect ?? who said that any Tom Dick or Harry can coach a team take them to the World Cup Finals?

[VivaItalia]

Peyman Jan.....I can't beleive that you are going round and round and round again arguing the same points.

Agha....who said that Branko ( or anyone for that matter) is beyond criticiscm ????? Who said he is perfect ?? who said that any Tom Dick or Harry can coach a team take them to the World Cup Finals?

Majid jan, vel kon baba joon, khooneto kasif nakon.

oon shere ro shenidi ke migeh: Aankas ke nadanad va nadanad ke nadanad, dar jahle morakkab abado-ddahr bemanad!

Bezaar khosh baashan in jamaa'at.

[VivaItalia]

So - by the same logic - I am not allowed to even dare to question President Ahmadinejad - because Iran has one President and it's not me ?!!

I am sorry - but I just don't buy your argument - I tend to believe what another member said earlier - you guys don'r want to lose your stadium or TM camp passes or certain rights such as interview rights, etc. And we understand - it's an unfortunate reality that IFF disfavours those who are harsh with them !! and you guys just don't want to be put in that position. But what we don't understand is for some obviously intelligent members and moderators to be Kaseh Dagh tar az Ash.

You may want to appologize to PFDC Management and Moderators for such a horrible accusation, otherwise I'll ask Kamran to review this himself.

[Doctor DOOM]

majid jan, that was my reference to the statement of a "pfdc member trying to coach" the team.
as I said, I had missed it the first time I read the posts.

just said my bit on that subject.

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dear viva,
as you shd have noticed, when things reach such immature levels with childish takes on polls that translate to members ( and I quote : ) "losing", ( when polls are there to show the tendency or trend among masses. and there are NO winnign or losing sides. only different points of view on a given issue. believe me, that is all ) , then ppl just stay away from such immaturities.

and immaturites reach new heights, when some ppl "CHOOSE" to accept one word of majority, and yet deny or refute another word of majority !!!!
if majority's vote is to be taken , then ALL their votes in all issues shd be taken in the same manner.

especially when polls are about what ppl like to "watch" !!! as if entertainment is the prime objective here, NOT quality or effectiveness !
and who cares if experts and persons in the know, ... ALL of them have spoken and validated the rise in quality of a player AFTER joining a certain club.
( yet, we have to go by what ppl "enjoy watching" .... no matter if that clashes with all sense and indication of elevated quality
not to mention that he same ppl differ between these two :
1- "both"
and
2- "mixture of two"
I mean after this, how can anyone take anything seriously ? )

and a few other matters that I'm just too bored to go over.
so keeping all those in mind, I'd suggest you , yourself review your above "sher" and perhaps, take heed.

[zzgloo]

BRANKO WILL AND SHOULD STAY
The pressure and all the rumors surrounding Iranian Football and its issue with Branko is a Real Test for the destiny of football in Iran.
It is without a shadow of a doubt that TM will do much better than what they are doing today when they step in the pitch a day in 2006 in Germany. This is so natural and obvious. And it will definitely happen even if you have a person Like MayeliKohan as the head coach.
Football is played more with desire, compassion, motivation and professionality. More than half of the potential of a team comes from thses factors alone. Tactical inputs can get you through with a game, but it is not a necessity for being there and loosing "Good".
Therefore, we will always play "Good" in world cup. And again and again, irrelevant people will get the credit for it and we will have this circus time and time again in the future world cups to come. And hence, we regress, we loose credibility among the top Coaches in the world and hence the dirty intentions will be achieved. Less and less people who really have a say in football in will remain and hence their presense or absence will not matter for "Nuclear Iran".
It is a fact that any organisation or government is in enourmous threat (Mainly in 3rd world Countries) when they can not have control over things or individuals. Whether that is Karimi, Daei or anyone for that matter. Bringing success to that level, will bring with it a very big threat. Cause then, those individuals and things will have so much support from the commoner that stopping them means destroying yourself.
If let alone, Iranian football is going through a very systematic approach towards professionalism. With introduction of Branko and Co, although we have not shown the best that we can be, Irans football has changed quite a bit. Knowledge, systematic and scientific approach has been introduced. All of this with the least amount of infra-structure.
I am very bitter today. Bitter that many of us dont see the "Peecheshe Moo" instead of the "Moo". Yet again, we are sacrificing a systemic approach, a step toward professional mentality for rotted and historic ideas or for being a puppet of rulers. Its a pitty.
I am extremely confident that these rumors will not have its intended effect. If it happens, it will happen with major changes in Iranian football including the resignation of so many people who have tried so hard in the past few months to achieve something. Are they perfect? No, they arent. But as long as we are not, our culture is not, and our mentalities are like this, we even cant think about perfection. So what we got, is the best we could get.
I certainly will be one of the people who will kiss goodbye TM IF that happens.
Thanks
Soheil

Dear Soheil,
Very nice and heartfelt post....
Although,I thought differently, but I must admit,that Branko indeed will stay, and yes, should stay........!!!!( from now on )
The criticism of Branko always came from different camps !
1- people who wanted to be against,just to be against !!!!
2-people who truely wanted some one elss.

Although,Branko has not helped his case much lately, yet,I agree with you now,that one should judge,only after considering all variebles .

A=true streangth of our football.
B=shortcommings of our football.
c=level of possibilities under Iranian system.
D=Realistic view of abilities of alternatives.
F=the time at hand.

I now, totaly agree with you,that Branko should stay,as time can only be used wisely to better our perfomance,with Branko from now on.

[Doctor DOOM]

zz jan, there is another category you left out :

3- ppl who want the team to perform at a higher level.
these ppl dont really care who is in charge, as long as the TEAM plays good football.
be it x or y or even branko.
if the team plays good football, and its defects are removed , then who cares who has done it.
let it be faraki.
I dont care.

but the question is : is faraki or x or y capable ?
has branko been able to correct all those mistakes and shortcomings?
considering the long time he's had with the team, it is only fair to demand why all those defects ......... lets say they have been addressed , but NOT CORRECTED

and the way things are going, with time passing us by so quickly, and the games getting near, I'm afraid we may see a lot more give up.
my threshold is/was Dec 2005.
come jan 2006, most probably I will give up too.

but is it a good thing?
ppl throwing their hands in the air in exasperation and settling for something ( a team with many areas defective, and its fate full of doubt and worry ) that COULD have been far better , had it been handled better ?

I guess considering Iran's history and experiences, we are destined for such fates !!
and not only in sports, but socially and politically as well !

[zzgloo]

My dear DR.
the time left, is not sufficient to change the total class of our football, as that may need yet another 4, to 8 years.....or even more !!!
The level of our football,that our " Omid team " played against the youth of kuwiat, just two days ago, is true level of our football......
now, you tell me.....is that level going to fool anybody in the world cup ?
The catagory you mentioned, goes under the catagory of " people who truly want some one elss ".....
We, should not just wish for mircle or supper metamorphysis at this point., nor should we feel so intimidated already,and concider ourseleves lost.
We should shoot for, the best performance " The best team in asia " could possibly offer.....thats all.....
If, we are going to be DOOMED !, lets be DOOMED for what we realy are !!,which is a powerful team in ASIA....and not just, elianated team who wants to pretent to be Holland !!

[maij]

Ali Agha......bi khiyal.

[Doctor DOOM]

hehehe

zz jan, ironically I dont think we are DOOMED !

and we certainly dont require any metamorphosis or miracle for our short term future ( WC games ) .

yes, there are many things that are doggin the team, but many issues can be rectified WITHOUT going back to fundamentals.
( I agree, our fundamentals are not exactly strong and we need some infra-structural work desparately )

for example the issue of placing players out of their natural positions, which renders them useless or in the least, reduces their usefulness.
this certainly does NOT need "back to the roots" remedy.

or branko's laj-baazi concerning some players and some positions.
these issues dont need such drastic and over-whelming cures, and can be corrected with a change of philosophy and attitude on his part ( hence my category that said "those who dont care who, even branko, as long as he proves more flexible and less laj-baaz" )

testing an alternative for the GK, and providing enough motivation, in the form of competition for the spot, really doesnt call for fundamental build up.
that can be done in a jiffy.

THESE are many of the problems our team is suffering, and luckily , they are NOT as un-doable as branko and his supporters make it out to be.

yes, our players need to learn professionalism, and for that we need time and a lot of "right ppl" at club level.
but right now, TM needs such fixes that are imminently possible.



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I absolutely agree on the goal of "being the best asian representative" at the WC.
I am fine with that.
I dont ask for semifinals.
hell, I dont even ask for quarter finals.

what I ask for, personally, is a SERIOUS attempt to reach the next round.
just one round.
I dont think I am being flighty or over-demanding here.
and almost all those who are worried about the team are asking for this only.

nobody is asking for anything more.

a SERIOUS attempt.
which means the team shd show they are not afraid of teams like n korea, bahrain, panama .... .
the team shd be able to show great football against third rate nations' B team.

GREAT football. not some mess with no plans or harmony or team movement, that we saw.

a serious attempt that means the team shows POSITIVE evolution with each passing period.
I'm afraid TM's "evolution" in the past year and half has been more negative and regress than anything else.

and I dont think kia is any lesser than what he was last year.
hell , karimi is twice or thrice better than last year, now that he has become a team player, with stamina and energy and ...
even daei seems to be in better shape than last yr
and .... and so on .

so why is the team under-peforming?
( plz dont say it is becoz we didnt change our avatars to branko's face !!! )

[VivaItalia]

Dear DD,

I was very concerned about your ADD (Attention Defecit Disorder), how are you doing? Is the doctor treating you well? I deelpy hope that you feel better after finishing all the therapy sessions.

Regards

PS. Dear DD, please note that this thread is not about the polls, Karimi, elections, Majority and Minority. Please pay attention more (if you can). Thank you soooo much. But if you have any questions about the polls, I'll be more than glad to help/teach you in the relevant thread.

[Doctor DOOM]

why thank you very much, for asking.

I seem to be doing great.



my doc, however, expressely ordered me to continue to avoid getting into immature discussions, even when others become so.

[faraz]

c'mon guys, this ongoing thing between u 2 is getting ridiculous - in every thread too.

I know it's none of my business, but can't you guys just let it go? I don't really know who started what, who said what, who did what, all i know is that in many of the good threads, these sorts of things are coming up, and i don't think they're necessarily necessary. I know you 2 have opposing views and that's okay, but neither seem to respect the other's opinion.

[VivaItalia]

why thank you very much, for asking.

I seem to be doing great.



my doc, however, expressely ordered me to continue to avoid getting into immature discussions, even when others become so.

That is a fantastic news darling.