This is a Test for TM and Iranian Football

[VivaItalia]

Once again the Iranian community is proving to love the "NO ACTION" alternative !!

Yes go ahead and sit on your butts for another 6 months - excersie your favorite option: Do NOTHING !!

Go ahead and justify your "Give-UP" attitude, and the lack of WILL and DRIVE towards betterment - by sewing the sky to earth.

Better sit on butt than doing something destructive! I was 3 years old during the revolution and was not certainly involved in it, but I can point my fingure at you or the likes of you for bringing this misery to us!

So, I like YOU to sit on your butt and do nothing, please! No more, specially in football! We (75%, Majority!) want this group to continue what they are doing and you guys (25%) MUST respect it.

[Amirza]

Actualy Viava Italia - that 1978 revolution was also the result of us NOT DOING ANYTHING !! we simply sat around and watched a PLO supported minority take over our country - hoping for the best. Just as you are doing for this football team.

[maij]

Peyman jan.....I don't have any reason to doubt the ability of Team Melli to do well in Germany , however , if , heaven forbids , they do not do well or if they fall short of my expectation ( notice ...My expectation) I shall still and will always support this team regardless.....I am NOT supporting this team purely based on Performance or achievement. There is more to it than that.

Like any fan , I DO want my team to do well , win trophies and honors. I set my ceiling of expectation realistically to be compatible with the basis of support of this team.

If I want to be clever, I can always claim that this team, the federation, the managers and people associated with the team are INCOMPETENT





There is a very remote possibility for the likes of yourself to support this team with such mentality. I am not saying that what you are thinking is a sin, and I am certainly not the type to demand that one must be sitting fat , dumb & happy about obvious shortcomings in TM or against acts that is insulting the fan's intelligense. What I find disturbing is the volume of criticism and what I preceive as unfair treatment and failure to recognize acheivements of the man who took TM to the World Cup.

In a country where none of the clubs own a football stadium, and where government virtually own all the teams, where players play football on pitches more suited to military excercise grounds, where footballers do NOT get paid for months, where players life are at risk at some matches, where fans are always in danger, where the TV recognizes 2 teams only for match broadcast, where there are much more dire priorities for the masses, where people find it difficult to make ends meet........ (do you want me to go on ???)

Under such circumstances, I consider the fact that Iran is amongst the World Elite in Football as an honor and an achievement in itself .


Enjoy.

[VivaItalia]

Actualy Viava Italia - that 1978 revolution was also the result of us NOT DOING ANYTHING !! we simply sat around and watched a PLO supported minority take over our country - hoping for the best. Just as you are doing for this football team.

But here is the similarity here:

Shah was doing good (relatively) and a bunch of DD alikes wanted a better change! and here was the result!
and now, Branko and co are doing good (relatively) and again a bunch of DD alikes want a change for better! I don't wanna see the results again! Our history has shown that whenever a group in our nation ask for a change for better, worst things happen! am I wrong? show me an oposite case!

Thank god, that 99% has changed to 25% during this 26 years!

[zereshk-ali]

Our history has shown that whenever a group in our nation ask for a change for better, worst things happen! am I wrong? show me an oposite case!

How about the overwhelming majority in support of Mossadegh being made Prime Minister and backing his nationalisation of the oil industry?

[VivaItalia]

How about the overwhelming majority in support of Mossadegh being made Prime Minister and backing his nationalisation of the oil industry?

That's the key point in your post.
But we have more falures than success in our history, a lot more.

and who is the Mossadegh of Iran's football? Mayeli kohan or Jalali?

or maybe the very Branko Ivankovic. and whom is majority supporting? Branko, right?

[Amirza]

But here is the similarity here:

Shah was doing good (relatively) and a bunch of DD alikes wanted a better change! and here was the result!
and now, Branko and co are doing good (relatively) and again a bunch of DD alikes want a change for better! I don't wanna see the results again! Our history has shown that whenever a group in our nation ask for a change for better, worst things happen! am I wrong? show me an oposite case!

So based on your logic (or lack of it) we must never try to make anything better in Iran - right ?

Just a side note - we have a bunch of great players - but we don't have a good team !! guess why ?

[VivaItalia]

So based on your logic (or lack of it) we must never try to make anything better in Iran - right ?

Just a side note - we have a bunch of great players - but we don't have a good team !! guess why ?

"Better" is a relative word you are using. I call it stupidity! to give up a good thing you have in order get a maybe better thing (considering the sitiations and the limitations in Iran), is simply stupidity!

Bring Capello, give him money to have whatever friendly games he needs, give him freedom to do whatever he wants, and I am with you all the way! But the way you guys speak on the air, is simply illogical, selfish and from stomach!

Just a side note: We have some great players, we have a relatively good team, but our fans think that we must beat the heck out of Brazil and every other team, guess why?! I know, Iranians are Khoda.

We are close to get banned from the WC and DDs call for friendly games against Big countries! this reminds me of:
Yaaroo ro too deh raah nemidadan, soraghe khooneye kadkhoda ro migereft!

[fsec]

Yel mooye sar e brtanko be sad hezaar jalili va mayel e goh (va) an miarzeh. Yek nafas az branko mohemtar az sad hezaar baisji parast o khaa'en hast.

The reason is not for TM to do well or not, it is to destroy Iranian people's happiness and make them a broken nation. At the moment TM is their pride and joy, their hope and happiness in a miserable existence enforced by basij parast. All you have to do is see the celebrations after qualification to know that to rule, these pig excrements have to destroy the people's will by any method or means at their disposal.

Traitrous scum.

[Doctor DOOM]

there was once a philosopher who said :

"change is inevitable, but growth is optional."

a world of wisdom in the saying, and certainly worth pondering..... even for those who havent taken the "option" yet & have stayed juvenile...... even when life's milestones are passed !





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majid jan,

bro, I remember saying it before:
everything is relative.

the frequency of criticism is directly proportional to the frequency of mistakes and failures.

and the volume of criticism by X is directly proportional to Y's blind support or excuse fabrication or false propoganda.


You are a level headed fellow, so if asked, I am sure you can judge that the more Y's do their stuff, the more x's reciprocate.
and vice versa, I must say.

everything is relative.

cheers

[zzgloo]

I used to be very out spoken about TM should change Branko,and lack of ability by Branko to present something new.....yet, I realy have given up on that position, and now, would like to give Branko the benefit of the doubt,and hope,he could at least ready TM for the world cup to at least play in a same level they did during the asian championships....
I agree now, that time now is for unity,and support of what we have now,and get as ready as we can be for the WC.....I do realize that considering the system in Iran, Branko has survived well,and some how has learned to work ( although not so well ) within that system.....
I recommand to those who believe Branko will under-represent us to come to terms with Branko's head coaching, and like it or not,support him, and pull for TM to do its best,under this cicumstances......
I also,recommand,Non-stop ! branko supporters, to stop saying ' I told you so ", and not give in to the Idea that this is the best TM could have possibly be,and not try to be master of wisdom ! for others....as non of us can prove the alternative would have worked, or not-worked ....

[Amirza]

Viva
There is another famous persian saying:
margo begir ta taraf be tab razi besheh !!
You are satisfied with Branco - only because you are scared of Mayeli Kodan or Talebi to be the alternative. Our youth have been forced/formated to be content - not just in football but in just about every aspect of life. The catastrophy is that you know we have PROBLEMS, yet you choose not to do anything about it - why ? because you have seen things get worse. Well my younger brother - you have successfuly been formatted to be content - neutralized - Razi be Tab. Not me and others like me - I will not accept Tab, Larz or Marg.
And as I said - people like me will win and we shall change things - if not in this WC - then the next one. The seeds have been planted.

[VivaItalia]

Viva
There is another famous persian saying:
margo begir ta taraf be tab razi besheh !!
You are satisfied with Branco - only because you are scared of Mayeli Kodan or Talebi to be the alternative. Our youth have been forced/formated to be content - not just in football but in just about every aspect of life. The catastrophy is that you know we have PROBLEMS, yet you choose not to do anything about it - why ? because you have seen things get worse. Well my younger brother - you have successfuly been formatted to be content - neutralized - Razi be Tab. Not me and others like me - I will not accept Tab, Larz or Marg.
And as I said - people like me will win and we shall change things - if not in this WC - then the next one. The seeds have been planted.

Not at all.
I am happy with Branko, cuz he has brought us VICTORY, he has brough us trophies and I believe that he can do more. He has not still finished his job and I believe that he MUST given a chance to finish whatever he has been cooking for 4 years. I believe that whoever comes instead of Branko CAN NOT be more successfull than him considering the amount of time Branko has spent with all the players in Iran, the amount of time he has spent watching the league games, checking the players and getting to know them. I believe that he has the knowledge, right attitude, and experience of how to deal with Iranians and their football. I believe that if someone is doing a good job, he must be kept until he blows it. Do you consider losing against Macedonia's B team in a friendly game a blow?! I don't. What did you say after Jordan's game, where his miraculus subs worked? What about Qatar game? Oman? Korea? Japan? Germany? were you thinking that He can't do the job? or you were picking on Nosrati, Daei and Mirzapour?

Anyways, you choose to fight against the wish of 75% of your own people and if it's not the way YOU want, back-stab them till the last moment and wish for their failure in order to say "didi, didi man dorost migoftam! man khodaam". But I choose to support my team (including the coach, and including Enayati whom I hate the most, if he gets selected), I'll stand behind them, enjoy of their games and honor every single of them.

[Mr.Good]

But I choose to support my team (including the coach, and including Enayati whom I hate the most, if he gets selected), I'll stand behind them, enjoy of their games and honor every single of them.

Now thats what I call a true fan, Barvo Ali

[Amirza]

viva,
don't kid yourself into believing we hane no problems. For me - the Unconditional love and support starts when the team gets to Germany - until then I will do anythiing I can to fix the problems - and to improve things.