Daei's bench

[maij]

no, majid jan. dont worry.
I am full of advices.

and , oh ... look.
what a "surprise" !! .... majority of ppl do agree as well ( seen the polls on the right mid lately ? )

That is why this nation is at such a screwed up status.

When I decide to become a sheep , I will follow the shepherd , but as it is , I will use my own God given brain , thank you

[maij]

Expecting Bengar to play LB or RB specially in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 diamond (because both systems relys a lot on the addition of RB and LB on attacks) doesn't seem logical to me. If Iran changed to a 3-5-2 for example Bengar playing RB or LB is ok but not in a 4-2-3-1.

Like I said , Ali Jan. I don't know how coaches arrange the reserve or the bench, I doubt that there is an acceptable or let us say a standard formula.

Whatever system you are using , you simply cannot cater for replacing 11 players with 5 allowed reserves. How many times you have seen strikers or defenders play as goalies? does it mean that the bench was poorly arranged?

[Ali Chicago]

That is why this nation is at such a screwed up status.

When I decide to become a sheep , I will follow the shepherd , but as it is , I will use my own God given brain , thank you

The way you have given a black check of approval to Mr. Daie's leardership in the TM (reminds me of the motto Jang Jang ta peeroozie of IRI during the Iran Iraq war btw), is kind of contradictory with the above statement, doesn't it?

[Ali Chicago]

Like I said , Ali Jan. I don't know how coaches arrange the reserve or the bench, I doubt that there is an acceptable or let us say a standard formula.

Whatever system you are using , you simply cannot cater for replacing 11 players with 5 allowed reserves. How many times you have seen strikers or defenders play as goalies? does it mean that the bench was poorly arranged?

Of course Mr. Daie is the ultimate source here, but having both Rahmati and Sadeghi on the bench two very similar players and not having a single sub for RB, LB is a bit strange. The same was the situation for our forwards. Only Khatibi as a sub for forward.

I thought a team gives the list of 18 players 11 plus 7 subs not 5 as you listed above, but maybe in US youth level that I am familiar with rules are different.

[Martin-Reza]

Back to topic, the bench must cover all positions. Of course Daei could have improvised in case of emergency, but Zandi as leftback or Nekounam as centerhalf would simply be all but ideal. Of course he still could have switched to 3-5-2 as well.

Daei simply took a risk. He wanted more options for midfield and attack, because with that he can influence the game. Since there were of course no planned subs for defense he only took Bengar as sole option for defense. I think taking such a risk is not necessary. He, not for the first time, thought it's worth and once more got away with it.

Maybe he is even calculating suffering setbacks due to lacking defensive options.

Some coaches prefer not to have a player defending the far post at corners because they calculate that they will maybe concede 1-2 goals more in 10 matches without a player there, but at the same time will score about 2-3 goals more from counter attacks due to having a player more waiting upfront. This really has been mentioned by several German coaches.

So Daei could be thinking that having eg. Jabbari available as sub instead of an additional defender will help him getting better results in more games than the lack of defenders will cost him games.

[maij]

The way you have given a black check of approval to Mr. Daie's leardership in the TM (reminds me of the motto Jang Jang ta peeroozie of IRI during the Iran Iraq war btw), is kind of contradictory with the above statement, doesn't it?

No its not. This is yet another one your erroneous conclusions....seriously.

What blank approvals you are talking about? Who am I to give blank approvals , anyway? Do you think that I need Daei as part of my wealth and happiness in life ? Or do you think I am on his pay role?


Like I said a million times, state your argument and if I find it worthy of approval , the I will agree with it...... but when you fail to convince me , don't hide behind this Daei lover shield.

I would not hide my approval of Daei using my own experience , judgment and thoughts. I think he is doing a much better job as a coach that I have expected from a rookie. I never claim , like many of you , that I know better than him because I worked and lived in an environment that respects professionalism and professions.

And I also know my limitation and that is why I have survived all these years and I am still alive.

[zzgloo]

I never claim , like many of you , that I know better than him because I worked and lived in an environment that respects professionalism and professions.

majid jaan.....................this is not a nice way to talk in F + !
I should remind you,you are just as imperfect as '' Many of "US" .

[Ali Chicago]

No its not. This is yet another one your erroneous conclusions....seriously.

What blank approvals you are talking about? Who am I to give blank approvals , anyway? Do you think that I need Daei as part of my wealth and happiness in life ? Or do you think I am on his pay role?


Like I said a million times, state your argument and if I find it worthy of approval , the I will agree with it...... but when you fail to convince me , don't hide behind this Daei lover shield.

I would not hide my approval of Daei using my own experience , judgment and thoughts. I think he is doing a much better job as a coach that I have expected from a rookie. I never claim , like many of you , that I know better than him because I worked and lived in an environment that respects professionalism and professions.

And I also know my limitation and that is why I have survived all these years and I am still alive.

if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it must be a duck. You can call it whatever you want, but I haven't seen a few posts from you to say ok I agree on like 95% of issues with Daie but I disagree with X, Y, Z and Q. I haven't see it. That I will call a blanck check of approval. You may agree or disagree with my conclusion but there are realities out there besides what you and I think.

About the bolded part of your post, you are an Iranian and have the right to approve fully partially or not with the head coach of the TM. No one saying you are making money or have personal benefits from fully supporting Daie. At least I havent' see one. What kind of logic are u using about when you say I know my limitations? That is just absurd. I am going to vote for the president of the USA in like 2 months? Do I know as much as McCain or Obama? Heck no, but I use my brain and judgement and make a decision.

I just don't say, McCain or Obama have tons of PHD folks in their staff and must know better. I as a human being see certain events and judge it. Is it so hard to undrestand? I never insulted Daie, but I have the right to approve or disapprove or criticize or full approve like you.

I am so confused why you get so upset when people call your actions for what it is? It is not ar va nang to fully support X or Y?

You said:

I never claim , like many of you , that I know better than him...

This is where you make a mistake, no one here claims he knows better than Daie. You totally get it wrong. However this doesn't mean everything that Daie is right and one can't question it. Honesly what do you want to see and hear here. Every day we come and repeat how great our head cocah is, every thing he is doing is great. He is another Zellolsoltan during Qajars or "khodayghan as they called Mohammad reza shah" or Imam as they called Khomaini? Or worship the man like the way they do it in Norht Korea? Is that your expectation of a so called "professional who is raised and worked in a professional environment"? Really sad.

because I worked and lived in an environment that respects professionalism and professions.

FYI, are you the only one who worked in a professional environment you think? Please go and look at the thread in the VIP and see the background of many of people who argue agianst your point. Please don't use that kind of condesending tone.

I at least have seen enough professionals that when the headcoach of the TM on the national TV screams and cuts the TV host 10 times and rants for 5 minutes in a row without allowing someone jumps in, I know it is wrong. As a matter of fact it led nicely to the last part of your post.

And I also know my limitation and that is why I have survived all these years and I am still alive.

Well, you may choose to tolerate the Gholdors and turn your head away and say "Enshallah gorbeh ast", but I rather to talk against it. I spoke up against destrucitve policy of continuation of the war against Iraq despite fighthing agaisnt Iraqis for 2.5 years, it brought about arrest and jail time and the lable of counter revoloutionary and traitor (which Ala may totally like it), but I called it and never said, "Ayattollah khomeni is the leader of the reveloution so he must know better". Left the country after being released from jail, but I spoke up, even it meant not going back to my beloved country for 23 years. Guess that is where the difference is.

[Martin-Reza]

majid jaan.....................this is not a nice way to talk in F + !
I should remind you,you are just as imperfect as '' Many of "US" .

I don't get what should be wrong about his statement.

[Doctor DOOM]

no need to become a sheep, nor is the poll about unrelated positions.
( although, I must say "giving a blank check" to any person is quite intriguing )

that large majority only points to one thing: that it is rather obvious something is not working correctly and needs to be changed. what's even more amusing is the problems are vivid , in front of our eyes and we still refuse to acknowledge them. ( reminds me of another period of recent past )

also, the players mentioned are not from different posts like the absurd example of karimi/bengar. it is the players who have been tried as right midfield and those who are known to be good in that position.

but then again, there is no point arguing. once we have made a man as omniscient and bereft of even smallest of mistakes, it is obvious we wouldnt bear to see any point contrary to his words or deeds. somehow, daei ( the coach. not the player ) in his grand total of 1 and half years of experience as a coach has become "untouchable and perfect", who can do no wrong or say no wrong!

LOL. so be it.
to each, his own.

[maij]

majid jaan.....................this is not a nice way to talk in F + !
I should remind you,you are just as imperfect as '' Many of "US" .

Agha Bahram and with all due respect , we have gone through this argument many many times. YOU do not set the rules here.

[maij]

Ali Agha..... I don't really get your argument. What has voting for Obama has to do with the situation in question? Who asked you to vote for Daei or GN?

You do tend to exaggerate things here and mix issues. I don't know if your claim that "everything-Daei-does-is-great" statement is referring to me but I am the last person to think that he is a great coach , at least not at this stage.

If there is an argument against Daei and If I think there is a a cause for defending him , then I will. This is the basis of any forum. As it happens, I have yet to see things your way about the issues involving Daei , excuse me for living.

Now, if you want to indulge in politics , which is not really welcomed here , I can only say that Qajars, Pahlavi's and Khomini's had millions of supporters as well.....same as Qadhafi , Hilter , Pol Pot , Mouselini and Saddam..... So , what is the point?

About being objectionable or in the opposition , hell I can turn around and be that in a whisker, no intelligence needed . The man who shouts the loudest is not necessary the one who is the wisest and the winner.

If I find there is something in what Daei does , or anybody else for that matters , , I will act accordingly and within the bound of decency . I have never shied from that in my life.

But until then , people need to put up some arguments that makes sense to me.

I can't see anything wrong with that , but please feel free to say what is wrong in such thinking, I am willing to learn.

[maij]

no need to become a sheep, nor is the poll about unrelated positions.
( although, I must say "giving a blank check" to any person is quite intriguing )

that large majority only points to one thing: that it is rather obvious something is not working correctly and needs to be changed. what's even more amusing is the problems are vivid , in front of our eyes and we still refuse to acknowledge them. ( reminds me of another period of recent past )

also, the players mentioned are not from different posts like the absurd example of karimi/bengar. it is the players who have been tried as right midfield and those who are known to be good in that position.

Nah , Peyman Jan.

If the poll was conducted amongst trainers , coaches with similar responsibilities and experiences , then YES, there is some credibility in it.

If a point of view is to be seriously considered , then those who vote , must have experienced the subject, else it is based on your own theory of personal preference not professional standard.


Also , the poll questions have to be carefully set. If you have clinic and you want an approval rating from your clients on services rendered, you would be asking questions about hygiene, staff , rates , clinic decoration , timing etc NOT about how you carry an operation or what medince do you prescribe.

but then again, there is no point arguing. once we have made a man as omniscient and bereft of even smallest of mistakes, it is obvious we wouldnt bear to see any point contrary to his words or deeds. somehow, daei ( the coach. not the player ) in his grand total of 1 and half years of experience as a coach has become "untouchable and perfect", who can do no wrong or say no wrong!

LOL. so be it.
to each, his own.

Same answer I gave to Ali.

You have to come up with something that is credible to win an argument. I don't have this "omniscient and bereft of even smallest of mistakes" mentality in my dictionary, so you are talking to the wrong person.

There is seldom any argument that one call 100% right or 100% wrong, but when someone claims that Daei has a personal grudge against player X or Y , or a love affair with player Z , then I am afraid that the plot is lost. It is not even an argument.

[Ali Chicago]

Ali Agha..... I don't really get your argument. What has voting for Obama has to do with the situation in question? Who asked you to vote for Daei or GN?

You do tend to exaggerate things here and mix issues. I don't know if your claim that "everything-Daei-does-is-great" statement is referring to me but I am the last person to think that he is a great coach , at least not at this stage.

I haven't seen a few posts from you to say Daie has done anything wrong. As simple as this. Martin is a hard core Daie fan, he listed the bench, Pajam is a another hard core Daie fan, he criticized Dai'es performance in Navad, so did ShirFarhad. HajjAgha posted that comment about not including Kia and I saw your response. All of these are what makes me to beleive that you have given a blank check of approval to Mr. Daie (which is nothing to be worry or ashame of).



There are so many things one can tell about the rest of your post, but what is the point? I found specially the word of "no intelligence is needed" amazing.

But for now can we focus on this one part I wrote above? I gave you specific examples of what to an outsider like me (I am not into your head or heart, i read what you post here) give me the impression of a blank check of approval.

The treason of IRI to the revolution of people, made your attitude toward people with critical thinking "peopel without intellgience that like to nag" very popular in Iran. I start to see where your attitude toward Mr. Daie start to form.

[Ali Chicago]

Ali Agha..... I don't really get your argument. What has voting for Obama has to do with the situation in question? Who asked you to vote for Daei or GN?

You do tend to exaggerate things here and mix issues. I don't know if your claim that "everything-Daei-does-is-great" statement is referring to me but I am the last person to think that he is a great coach , at least not at this stage.

If there is an argument against Daei and If I think there is a a cause for defending him , then I will. This is the basis of any forum. As it happens, I have yet to see things your way about the issues involving Daei , excuse me for living.

Now, if you want to indulge in politics , which is not really welcomed here , I can only say that Qajars, Pahlavi's and Khomini's had millions of supporters as well.....same as Qadhafi , Hilter , Pol Pot , Mouselini and Saddam..... So , what is the point?

About being objectionable or in the opposition , hell I can turn around and be that in a whisker, no intelligence needed . The man who shouts the loudest is not necessary the one who is the wisest and the winner.

If I find there is something in what Daei does , or anybody else for that matters , , I will act accordingly and within the bound of decency . I have never shied from that in my life.

But until then , people need to put up some arguments that makes sense to me.

I can't see anything wrong with that , but please feel free to say what is wrong in such thinking, I am willing to learn.

As for Obama or McCain the analogy was, you, I or whoever has an opinion, that doesn't mean that we think we are better than them, but we approve or disaprove their plan. You and many of Daie fans (even during Branko days, when I was just a mere observer), over and over accused Payman who knows better You or Branko, or You or Daie? And right after that, tried to silence people by since they are professional footballer or whatever, they know better and we (only if we are their critics) need to shut up and "trust "them. Hope you see the relevance.

On the whole Daie issue, I am trying to address why I am so worried and apprehensive toward Daie. I dont' expect you agree with it, but just for the records and history. This is much more than mere football and its relevance to football.
I am very apprehensive toward Mr. Daie, exactly because what you seem to like in him. His total "gholdor" attitude, his way or high way, absolutisem, total arbitrarines (truth is what Mr. Daie believes in now if the whole world no, he wouldn't budge). Many of these traits can be a good thing to a level, but this is exactly what scares the hell out of me. In our country with a long despotic history this kind of personalities are very dangerous, See what happened to Reza Khan (how he was changed from his early days to a dictator and eventually to even beyond that an arbitrary ruler. I can bring examples for you how many of his initial close friends were eventual victims of him. The same mentality in part explain the sudden success of Ahmadi Nezhad in the past election. See how Popular Stalin is in Russia now. People need that someone who has this no non-sense attitude and not afraid to take over and act.
Agha Majid, many people, recently Kisner the American author of the "the few King's men" argue if it wasn't for the 28th Mordad coup in Iran, or US hadn't stood agaisnt Arab nationalisem, there wouldnt' have been Islamic Revolution in Iran and in a way maybe not even Islamic fundementalisem. In our bala deedeh country, this attitude of Gholdor parasti and "strong man", "Iron-fist" rule has a historical precedence, I can comprehened where it is coming from but as long as I am alive, I am against it.