This week's bits & Pieces

[maij]

- None of the legionnaires impressed in the Bundesliga & the Premiership . In fact Teymourian and Kia were both benched, the former not even on the roster. Hashemian was subbed in & played but not to much effectiveness.
In the UAE the bright side was the assists of Khatibi (3 assists) and that brilliant assist by Madanchi . Kazemian and Sanereh drew blanks.
The only hopes remains with the Osasuna duo, Nekounam and Shojaei.

- Today Liverpool scored what it looked like a 100% goal by Gerard , but he referee disallowed it. NOW , we are talking about the best league in the world with arguably the best referees. Let us see how Liverpool will react and how the media will call for the head of the referee and compare it to the shameful Iranian media & Perspolis action against Moradi.

- More and more young coaches are taking the helm of their national teams. Today , Kassimov (38 years) was appointed as the coach of Uzbekistan after the disappointing results of the World Cup qualifiers. Kassimov's trail was quite similar to Daei. He coach Kourovchi for one season , won the championship and now he is the NT coach.

[Ali Chicago]

Hameh Rhaha be Rome Khatm meeshavad. Somehow, Daie had to be brought up in this post too in a not seemingly related event (Uzbakistan's coaching situation). Amazing the importance this man in your eyes. (I hope Mr. Daie doesn't disappoint you Agha Majid).

[Martin-Reza]

Obviously Majeed didn't just report about Iranian issues, but also about issues in international football relating to Iranian football. So the similarity between the EPL ref's and Moradi's situation as well as the trend connected to Daei's appointment was mentioned.

[maij]

Another piece of interesting news is what Majeed Jalali has mentioned about the Khuzestani fans.

نها مى خواهند مربيگرى كنند، نه حمايت

جلالى: مشكل فوتبال خوزستان، طرفداران هستند

مجيد جلالى به دنبال آن است تا عوامل ضعف و انحطاط تيمهاى خوزستانى در اين استان را شناسايى كند. جلالى در حال كلاسه بندى كردن اطلاعات است وتا اينجا بدين نتيجه رسيده كه بزرگترين معضل فوتبال خوزستان، طرفداران فوتبال در اين استان هستند؛ طرفدارانى كه بجاى حمايت كردن وتشويق كردن، به مربيگرى فكر مى كنند. اينكه چگونه مربيگرى مى كنند، سئوالى است كه در اين متن، جواب آن داده شده است. اميدواريم اين موضوع براى جلالى در اهواز دردسرساز نشود.

Jalali's Quote "These fans want to coach the team not support it !"


Hmmmmmm... Jenab Aghaye Jalail....... Ma ham dar PFDC az oonha ziyad darim...Nooshyi Joonat

[The-Red]

^ interesting, and also he was a man who was by far more qualified to take the TM job, along side many other names between our coaches, yet....the story has been told, no point to repeat.

As a wise man once said, "peyravaneh efrati, badtarand az hezar mokhalef"

[Ali Chicago]

Obviously Majeed didn't just report about Iranian issues, but also about issues in international football relating to Iranian football. So the similarity between the EPL ref's and Moradi's situation as well as the trend connected to Daei's appointment was mentioned.

This wasn't a tit for tat, I was just trying to point out how certain elements has occupied of certain important in Majid's mind. No one with any stretch of imagination can relate referee situation with mr. Daie (ok maybe an Iranian press or Iranian coach will do that, so one can never say never) but you get my point.

I dont' know what is your day to day job or background, but I am sure you have heard of phsycological tests where they ask you for example colors (say red and you need to say the first thing comes to your mind), my post was along the same line, when our member hears an stroy about Uzbakistan coach and somehow relates that to our head coach.

I was trying to use a concrete example to point out how an issue has gotton the focal point in Majid's day to day interpretation of footballing events.

As a matter of fact his last point about Jalai's comment and his editorial further displays that point even more.

I am really surprized what he wants or expect? Does he expect we as football fans either to hymn sing in the support of the coachs or shut up? I strongly suggest he reads about how fans in other so called advanced countries (with the same tenacity agree disagree comment on the decisions of the coaching staff). For an example see the way Lippi was treated by Italian Media and or Aragones before UEFA? These were succesful cases, I spare you about the negative exprience of coaches the treatment they get from Media. So it is not like in Iran fans behave very differently.

Amazingly, coaches that Majid doesn't like, he is very outspoken against them, which is his right and no one calls him on it. Don't you see a contradiction between the preaching and practice?

[kaz]

3 bits and pieces with 3 agendas:

- Our legionnaires are crap, outside of Shojaei and Nekounam who our coach trusts the most.

- In a nutshell: the Moradi situation.

- See, another team has another young coach like ours, it's not the end of the world.

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Okay, we get it.

Per usual, Ali agha has hit the nail on the head.

[Doctor DOOM]

some of you guys ought to sit with football fans in england before club games and see how "everyone" tries to coach.

it isnt a bad idea to once in a while visit some football fan sites and get an idea how many ppl talk about tactics, personnel, formations, .... all sorts of issues regarding the game. pfdc is no exception .... BECOZ IT IS HUMAN NATURE.

yes, we see the kind of ppl who say "oh, X is the coach. so I'm not going to comment" also. definitely. but you also see a huge number of ppl who DO talk about all aspects of this game, from carpenters to investment bankers. coz , once again I must repeat, football is not rocket science to understand and figure out.

[maij]

some of you guys ought to sit with football fans in england before club games and see how "everyone" tries to coach.

I have ..

From 1975 to 1977 when I was in College in Southampton I was a regular at the Dell and also been to Chelsea , Arsenal , Derby . Leicester city , Manchester United , West Ham , Tottenham and Portsmouth grounds.
Also been to Wembley many times for international matches.

I cant say that I remember fans acting as coaches.

it isnt a bad idea to once in a while visit some football fan sites and get an idea how many ppl talk about tactics, personnel, formations, .... all sorts of issues regarding the game. pfdc is no exception .... BECOZ IT IS HUMAN NATURE.

yes, we see the kind of ppl who say "oh, X is the coach. so I'm not going to comment" also. definitely. but you also see a huge number of ppl who DO talk about all aspects of this game, from carpenters to investment bankers. coz , once again I must repeat, football is not rocket science to understand and figure out.

Agha Peyman jan. We have been through this argument like a million times. There is a fine line between fans comments and remarks, likes and dislikes , favorite or unpopular players and .......Coaching the team entirely.

football is not rocket science to understand and figure out, that is fine, but how come not everyone is an Arsene Wenger or Lippi ?
If it is so simple , then me and you with decades of football watching experience should be candidates for coaching the best teams.

Yes we are here to discuss and criticize football players and coaches, but we do that in theory without too much essential in-depth knowledge or practice.

I guess that is what Jalali is talking about and I couldn't agree more.

[maij]

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- Today Liverpool scored what it looked like a 100% goal by Gerard , but he referee disallowed it. NOW , we are talking about the best league in the world with arguably the best referees. Let us see how Liverpool will react and how the media will call for the head of the referee and compare it to the shameful Iranian media & Perspolis action against Moradi.
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OK...So , I did some browsing and there is NO FIRE about Gerrard goal nor was there a controversial articles , calls for the referee to resign or anything like that from the media at least.

Quoting Ali Agha

"I strongly suggest he reads about how fans in other so called advanced countries"


This is how these advance countries behave as far as refereeing errors are concerned.

[maij]

This wasn't a tit for tat, I was just trying to point out how certain elements has occupied of certain important in Majid's mind. No one with any stretch of imagination can relate referee situation with mr. Daie (ok maybe an Iranian press or Iranian coach will do that, so one can never say never) but you get my point.

I dont' know what is your day to day job or background, but I am sure you have heard of phsycological tests where they ask you for example colors (say red and you need to say the first thing comes to your mind), my post was along the same line, when our member hears an stroy about Uzbakistan coach and somehow relates that to our head coach.

I was trying to use a concrete example to point out how an issue has gotton the focal point in Majid's day to day interpretation of footballing events.

As a matter of fact his last point about Jalai's comment and his editorial further displays that point even more.

I am really surprized what he wants or expect? Does he expect we as football fans either to hymn sing in the support of the coachs or shut up? I strongly suggest he reads about how fans in other so called advanced countries (with the same tenacity agree disagree comment on the decisions of the coaching staff). For an example see the way Lippi was treated by Italian Media and or Aragones before UEFA? These were succesful cases, I spare you about the negative exprience of coaches the treatment they get from Media. So it is not like in Iran fans behave very differently.

Amazingly, coaches that Majid doesn't like, he is very outspoken against them, which is his right and no one calls him on it. Don't you see a contradiction between the preaching and practice?

Agha Ali Jan...

You are wise and old enough to figure out the obvious.

When one supports a point of view , he/she will try to produce events , evidence , articles , quotes and anything relating to the subject matter to support his/her stand..

Why does this looks odd to you , is beyond my comprehension.

[kaz]

Agha Ali Jan...

You are wise and old enough to figure out the obvious.

When one supports a point of view , he/she will try to produce events , evidence , articles , quotes and anything relating to the subject matter to support his/her stand..

Why does this looks odd to you , is beyond my comprehension.

Because if you are trying to persuade others to join your view, the last thing you should do is give a one-sided perspective to everything.

For example, instead of saying Uzbekistan has hired a coach like Daei, young and inexperienced, you should mention the fact that Uzbekistan is a nobody in football that has achieved nothing, and they aren't exactly a country we want to replicate. Or you could mention how there are very few coaches like Daei, and are so for a reason.

Be even handed and that will gain your view more respect. I think that's what Ali is saying. Why do you think people hate guys like Bill O'Reilly? Because he is an arrogant bigot. He thinks he is always right, always gives his agenda and thinks everybody else are idiots.

Now there are small members on this site who are obviously agenda based (i.e. Ala and Siavash) but people expect more from an intelligent member like you Majid jan.

[Ali Chicago]

Agha Ali Jan...

You are wise and old enough to figure out the obvious.

When one supports a point of view , he/she will try to produce events , evidence , articles , quotes and anything relating to the subject matter to support his/her stand..

Why does this looks odd to you , is beyond my comprehension.

Majid Jaan;

The reason I do as the Abadani's say "peeleh gohi" (excuse the language) is that I find you a very knowledgable person with a logical thinking. I wouldn't expect or even spend energy for someone like Ala (no disrespect to him but I need to give a concrete example). His world is a dogmatic, almost ideological world. There are good and bad and battle rages on.

My life has thought me there are no absolutes, no black and white, everything has a different shade of gray. So a phenomenon has both good and bad in it. So while supporting something, we shouldn't (IMO) try to hide under the carpet aspects that doesnt' make sense.

Sorry to bug you aziz, it is just I really like you (guess it is doosti khaleh kherseh Majid jaan). But seriously, it is about the methodology and style of approaching events and interpreting them rather than end result (in this case Mr. Daie).

[maij]

Majid Jaan;

The reason I do as the Abadani's say "peeleh gohi" (excuse the language) is that I find you a very knowledgable person with a logical thinking. I wouldn't expect or even spend energy for someone like Ala (no disrespect to him but I need to give a concrete example). His world is a dogmatic, almost ideological world. There are good and bad and battle rages on.

My life has thought me there are no absolutes, no black and white, everything has a different shade of gray. So a phenomenon has both good and bad in it. So while supporting something, we shouldn't (IMO) try to hide under the carpet aspects that doesnt' make sense.

Sorry to bug you aziz, it is just I really like you (guess it is doosti khaleh kherseh Majid jaan). But seriously, it is about the methodology and style of approaching events and interpreting them rather than end result (in this case Mr. Daie).

I share your opinion in what your referred to as
there are no absolutes, no black and white, everything has a different shade of gray. So a phenomenon has both good and bad in it. So while supporting something, we shouldn't (IMO) try to hide under the carpet aspects that doesnt' make sense.

perhaps the difference is in the way we look at some events. One of us looking at the half full part of the cup , while one looking at the half empty part.

One other aspect in our perceptions is of course how we lived and learned in our careers. Everyone finds different angles in a same event ( for example a football match)

Even the most complete man , if there ever was one, will have his shortcoming. One can fault anyone if he digs deep enough in his life or career, depending on ones emotions of dislike.

[Ali Chicago]

I share your opinion in what your referred to as
there are no absolutes, no black and white, everything has a different shade of gray. So a phenomenon has both good and bad in it. So while supporting something, we shouldn't (IMO) try to hide under the carpet aspects that doesnt' make sense.

perhaps the difference is in the way we look at some events. One of us looking at the half full part of the cup , while one looking at the half empty part.

One other aspect in our perceptions is of course how we lived and learned in our careers. Everyone finds different angles in a same event ( for example a football match)

Even the most complete man , if there ever was one, will have his shortcoming. One can fault anyone if he digs deep enough in his life or career, depending on ones emotions of dislike.

Ghorbone dahanet,so we agree on relativity. Let me give you an example. Right now, Kleinsman coach of the Bayern is a very young coach, he couldn't win the WC and now is doing really bad in Bayern, recently they lost 5-2 to Verderbremen. Can I come here and say, see Kleiensman was a young and inexperienced coach and wasn't succesful in German NT or so far in Bayren, therefore Daie won't be succesful?!! I can make that deduction, but by no stretch of imagination it is a logical comparison and it merely indicated my negative bias toward Mr. Daie. Specially in light of I not being having a very positive outlook toward Mr. Daie, it may seem logical to me come up with that conclusion, but I resist that. The point is all of us have BIAS as you clearly mentioned, but we need to be aware of that BIAS and review our actions to see is it our BIAS that driving certain decisioins!

As for the second part of your post (seeing the empty half, there is a possibility you are right of course) but I request you review my actions again. Now, have I said everything that Daie does is wrong? Wasn't I who opened the thread that even a loss in KSA isn't the end and let's not get onto Mr. Daie's case?
There were news in Iran that Uzbakistan game was cancelled because Mr. Daie had to travel to USA for his green card or maybe citizenship. Did I try to magnfigy that and opened 100 thread (like certain members on the other side)?

I am critical of certain actions of Mr. Daie:
1- His approach or Media and in general toward criticisem (which I expressed without attacking him and wished and suggested he improves on it, read my post even, I said I am afraid being so emotional might hurt the team during the game when he has to make real-time decisions and when someone is so emotioanl probably wont' be in the best frame of mind to make a logical decision).
2- His implied bias in not inviting Kia and Karimi and trying to justify it under a disguise. I think it is Mr. Daies right to invite whoever, but he should say in my opinion I don't think X is good enough for the TM. (even for this I said this is Mr. Daie's choice but I think (IMHO) isn't the right choice).
3- The Whole Uzbakistan friendly cancellation for whatever reason it was, did I try threads and went Ay dad va beedad we lost the only chance for a decent game?
All those friendlies that were cancelled did I try to create Hasheiyeh and negative propaganda?

League was postponded for 10 days ( I said I wish it hadn't, specially the fact that from players who went to Kish only 4-5 played in KSA), but even in that case, did you see numerous threads from me?


You are a moderator yourself, please look for Ala's thread during the GN era and see for yourself what that man did, that is a full fledge negative campaign if you want to see the "EMPTY HALF". What I am talking about if wasnt' about seeing the empty half, it was not seeing anything.