This week's bits & Pieces

[kaz]

By the way, with respect to Daei accusing Ferdowsipour of wanting TM to fail, I wouldn't say that was such a wild accusation. Although Daei's accusation was somewhat extreme, from the information available to me, it is not what I'd term an untrue accusation. I suggest you research the issue further and make your own mind up...

If you are referring to trueness, then the media are really animals in Iran and it is totally true.

Your aunt may be fat, but there is a more civilised way in encouraging her to lose weight than calling her names.

[Ali Chicago]

If you are referring to trueness, then the media are really animals in Iran and it is totally true.
Your aunt may be fat, but there is a more civilised way in encouraging her to lose weight than calling her names.

Kaz now you gonna get Regian Ghayrati about her Ammeh and we are going to witness a Duel and the whole 9 yards.

[zzgloo]

The Coaching Carosel continues !!
Metsu,could not go to world cup with UAE, so he dumped UAE, and now is coaching QATAR, to go to WC....
and his assistant, will coach UAE.


باتني در امارات، متسو در قطر


فوتبال- همشهري آنلاين:
باتني فرانسوي مربيگري امارات متحده عربي و متسو مربيگري قطر را پذيرفتند
دومينيك باتني فرانسوي، بنابراعلام رسانه*هاي امارات با قراردادي يك* ساله مربيگري تيم ملي اين كشور را به عهده گرفت. وي كه دستيار برونو متسو در اين تيم بود، پس از كنار رفتن وي جايگزين او شد.

برونو متسو نيز ديروز با امضاي قراردادي دو ساله هدايت تيم ملي فوتبال قطر را عهده*دار شد. متسو 54 ساله در اولين ديدار رسمي*اش در روز 24 مهرماه، در چارچوب رقابتهاي مقدماتي جام جهاني 2010 به همراه تيم قطر با استراليا رو به رو مي*شود.

وي كه قبلا با تيم سنگال به مرحله يك چهارم نهايي جام جهاني 2002 در ژاپن و كره جنوبي رسيده بود، حالا بايد تيم ملي قطر را راهي جام جهاني 2010 كند.

باتني نيز در تيم ملي امارات هدف مشابهي را دنبال مي*كند. وي نيز با تيم امارات براي رسيدن به جام جهاني بايد در روز 24 مهر ديدار مشكلي را با كره جنوبي برگزار كند. تيم قطر قبل از آن يك ديدار غير رسمي با ژاپن انجام خواهد داد

[RaginG Inferno]

I was actually discussing this issue with my father the other day. He made the point that Daei is, indeed, a 'gholdor', but I guess if he's nice and polite then he will get eaten alive in Iran. I think that he has a point; we must all concede that some of our expectations must be adjusted to account for the unique circumstances to which one is subject to in Iran.

Thoughts?

[zzgloo]

I was actually discussing this issue with my father the other day. He made the point that Daei is, indeed, a 'gholdor', but I guess if he's nice and polite then he will get eaten alive in Iran. I think that he has a point; we must all concede that some of our expectations must be adjusted to account for the unique circumstances to which one is subject to in Iran.
Thoughts?

I do not realy believe Daei is intelegent enough, to have thought of all ,and came up with this strategy....
how ever, His Gholdori is working very well for him....and here is why :
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1- The issue, of him not being qualified, and haveing no licence,and no experince, or not haveing such a good record,is forgotten.and his Gholdori is often talk of the town.

2-Media, instead of writing about " if he should be fired or not ",( Like what they did with Ghalenoee after Asian Cup),are writing about why is so arrogant,and bad with Media.

3-The Fans, have been decieved,and instead of asking for Top game plans, and beutiful football, are made ,indirectly, to talk about why legioners are not invited.!

4-IFF,instead of focusing on elementary class , and level TM is playing under daei( What it did during Branko's good results ).....is, talking about , TM coach has authurity to get rid of any player he wants now,needing support !!

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[Ali Chicago]

I was actually discussing this issue with my father the other day. He made the point that Daei is, indeed, a 'gholdor', but I guess if he's nice and polite then he will get eaten alive in Iran. I think that he has a point; we must all concede that some of our expectations must be adjusted to account for the unique circumstances to which one is subject to in Iran.
Thoughts?

To be honest IMHO that is the most dangerous thing. The idea that we need a "Gholdor" due to the special circumstance of Iran.

Let me give you a few example. Many will say this is football and what you are talking about is politics and history and you are comparing apples and oranges. I beg to differ. To me the principal is the same. Someone who is capable has abilities rises to the power (i.e. Daie) in corrupt weak system (i.e. IFF). He/she should be a saint to not see how easily can manipulate the system.

One might say, but that one person is the so called Hero, that will come and save us. History has proven the falacy of that point of view. I am a history buff but without meaning to offend anyone's political point of view, Reza Khan (later Reza Shah) is a perfect example of what I am talking about. I don't mean to belabour the point, but suffice to say from the men that were in Reza Shah Camp when he came to power not many stayed alive (Taymoortash, Tajaddod, Tadayoon, .....), I can provide a complete list if there is interest. I am sure Reza Khan at the begining at least meant well, but after a while, when there is no system in place he turned to an arbitrary ruler. It came to the point that one of the cabinet minister's was arrested after coming out of the cabinet meeting with himself.

Another example is Stalin in the Soviet Union, which is still admired by many in the current Russia but in a way he started the demise of the Soviet system with his actions.

Ataturk in Turkey is another example of a capable person who rises to the power and his surronding system is weak and he abuses the system eventually. Although his abuse wasn't as outragous as Reza Shah's were.

I have no doubt that Mr. Daie means well and wants the best for the TM (if nothing at least for his own name). It is not about the person, it is about the system. We need a system in place in order, in order to have checks and balances in place in order to prevent power abuse. Now, other people in the past, Branko, GN didn't have the profile, intelligent, background in order to game the system. Mr. Daie due to his successful history has that potential and there are alarming signs out there. That is what makes me so nervous.

At the end, if there is a good system in place (a good management in IFF and higher up in the government, which we all know there isn't), someone like Mr. Daie can work within the bounds of the system and I am sure will cause a lot of good. However the combination of a capable well known person in a weak corrupt system is a recepie for potential power abuse and down the line even that capable person will destroy his/her own good background.

Sorry about the long ranting, but if you care about history and Reza Shah period specifically, I can recommand a very good book. I bought this book in my recent trip to Turky and I think it is called "Men of Power". It talks about the similarities and differences between the Ataturk and Reza Shah and the role of these two "strong men, i.e. Gholdor" in the recent history of Iran and Turkey.

[RaginG Inferno]

To be honest IMHO that is the most dangerous thing. The idea that we need a "Gholdor" due to the special circumstance of Iran.
Let me give you a few example. Many will say this is football and what you are talking about is politics and history and you are comparing apples and oranges. I beg to differ. To me the principal is the same. Someone who is capable has abilities rises to the power (i.e. Daie) in corrupt weak system (i.e. IFF). He/she should be a saint to not see how easily can manipulate the system.
One might say, but that one person is the so called Hero, that will come and save us. History has proven the falacy of that point of view. I am a history buff but without meaning to offend anyone's political point of view, Reza Khan (later Reza Shah) is a perfect example of what I am talking about. I don't mean to belabour the point, but suffice to say from the men that were in Reza Shah Camp when he came to power not many stayed alive (Taymoortash, Tajaddod, Tadayoon, .....), I can provide a complete list if there is interest. I am sure Reza Khan at the begining at least meant well, but after a while, when there is no system in place he turned to an arbitrary ruler. It came to the point that one of the cabinet minister's was arrested after coming out of the cabinet meeting with himself.
Another example is Stalin in the Soviet Union, which is still admired by many in the current Russia but in a way he started the demise of the Soviet system with his actions.
Ataturk in Turkey is another example of a capable person who rises to the power and his surronding system is weak and he abuses the system eventually. Although his abuse wasn't as outragous as Reza Shah's were.
I have no doubt that Mr. Daie means well and wants the best for the TM (if nothing at least for his own name). It is not about the person, it is about the system. We need a system in place in order, in order to have checks and balances in place in order to prevent power abuse. Now, other people in the past, Branko, GN didn't have the profile, intelligent, background in order to game the system. Mr. Daie due to his successful history has that potential and there are alarming signs out there. That is what makes me so nervous.
At the end, if there is a good system in place (a good management in IFF and higher up in the government, which we all know there isn't), someone like Mr. Daie can work within the bounds of the system and I am sure will cause a lot of good. However the combination of a capable well known person in a weak corrupt system is a recepie for potential power abuse and down the line even that capable person will destroy his/her own good background.
Sorry about the long ranting, but if you care about history and Reza Shah period specifically, I can recommand a very good book. I bought this book in my recent trip to Turky and I think it is called "Men of Power". It talks about the similarities and differences between the Ataturk and Reza Shah and the role of these two "strong men, i.e. Gholdor" in the recent history of Iran and Turkey.

I understand the point you are making, in fact, I accept your arguments. Some of your points are compelling.

In Iran, the media does not function with many constraints; interviews are fabricated, comments are manipulated and rivalries are created. Similarly, the IFF is problematic; this federation is also subject to similar manipulation by the government.

It's somewhat artificial to require Daei to function professionally in such an environment. But then, I think this is exactly the issue: The environment needs to change. Before Daei is singled out for criticism, first, the whole system needs to be restructured.

For this reason, I do feel reluctant to criticize Daei personally; the system is the source of the problem.

[maij]

I understand the point you are making, in fact, I accept your arguments. Some of your points are compelling.

In Iran, the media does not function with many constraints; interviews are fabricated, comments are manipulated and rivalries are created. Similarly, the IFF is problematic; this federation is also subject to similar manipulation by the government.

It's somewhat artificial to require Daei to function professionally in such an environment. But then, I think this is exactly the issue: The environment needs to change. Before Daei is singled out for criticism, first, the whole system needs to be restructured.

For this reason, I do feel reluctant to criticize Daei personally; the system is the source of the problem.

That is exactly the issue.

When a whole system is far from perfect and well below the recognized standards of developing nations , you can not single out one person or even a few for the country's shortcoming.

Even the IFF has its hands bound by the government and has little freedom to act independently with so many restrictions and pressure.

The prime example of such pressures and veiled threats was the TV broadcast issue. Aliabadi , who should be on side of sport , announced that the TV right has been resolved BUT not before accusing people of taking political advantage of this situation and spreading bad news about the Islamic republic in the media!!!

[Doctor DOOM]

For this reason, I do feel reluctant to criticize Daei personally; the system is the source of the problem.

you see. this is when I dont understand why we dont separate issues and their categories.

is the system faulty?
yes.
do we have shortcomings in infrastructure and culture and ... ?
yes.

but there are some issues that have nothing to do with the system.

if you come up with why our players arent professional enough to maintain a pro attitude, a pro regimen in physical aspects of the game, to .... I'd agree with you.
if you say why our clubs are amateurish and managers are even worse, I'd agree with your remark.

but if you want to somehow slide the issue of daei ( or any coach , for that matter ) blatantly overlooking specialist players for a post at TM, while in every game he attempts a patch-up job of misplacing the wrong players for that post, and blame that on "faulty system" , you wouldnt have many buyers.

we cant generalize everything under the umbrella of "faulty system".
everything has its place and corresponding explanation.
and a lot of issues w regard to "player selection" are not "system"-driven.

[RaginG Inferno]

you see. this is when I dont understand why we dont separate issues and their categories.
is the system faulty?
yes.
do we have shortcomings in infrastructure and culture and ... ?
yes.
but there are some issues that have nothing to do with the system.
if you come up with why our players arent professional enough to maintain a pro attitude, a pro regimen in physical aspects of the game, to .... I'd agree with you.
if you say why our clubs are amateurish and managers are even worse, I'd agree with your remark.
but if you want to somehow slide the issue of daei ( or any coach , for that matter ) blatantly overlooking specialist players for a post at TM, while in every game he attempts a patch-up job of misplacing the wrong players for that post, and blame that on "faulty system" , you wouldnt have many buyers.
we cant generalize everything under the umbrella of "faulty system".
everything has its place and corresponding explanation.
and a lot of issues w regard to "player selection" are not "system"-driven.

I believe you are discussing Daei's player selection. I was discussing Daei's lack of professionalism in dealing with the media.

My primary point is that his behaviour cannot be viewed in isolation. Although he does sometimes act somewhat brashly, one cannot isolate this from the provocation to which he is often subject by the media.

Despite this, I have expressed my discontent with some of Daei's conduct, such as his overly emotional arguments. However, I do also concede that it is not an easy environment in which he is working.

For the record, I have no fundamental disagreements with Daei's player selection. I don't see his selection policy as 'unprofessional', but please feel free to correct me if you disagree.