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    Iran vs. North Korea [Post Match Discussion]

    The match ended and a few quick points.

    1) First and foremost, good result and thank God we came out with the full 3 points.

    2) MVP of the match was Rahmati. How many times did he save us? 5 times at least.

    3) Khatibi as usual, was nothing and missed good goal scoring opportunities.

    4) For the first time I can remember, Zareh actually played a good game. He was good coming forward. He had a few good crosses and had a nice shot. Acceptable defensively as well.

    5) I thought both Shojaei and Nekounam played sub-par. Shojaei needs to learn how to shoot the ball. He had a few shots but his shots are very weak and roll to the goalie. He had a few like this for Osasuna as well. He simply isnt the goal-getter that a player like Ali Karimi is. Shojaei is COMPLETELY a set-up man who gets assists.

    Nekounam's form is starting to worry me. He's had adequate time to recover from his major surgery but he still doesnt look on form. He gave the ball up a few times which he rarely does and he is slow to cover on defense. He did not have the commanding prescence in midfield he usually does for a few matches now.

    6) I thought Daei was weak this game. First and foremost, he made his subs very late. We were obviously very tired in the 2nd half, but Daei's first substitution didnt come until the 80th minute!!! I though to myself is Daei pulling a Miroslav Blazevic and not using any subs at all? Our players were physically tired, and Daei's subs came after Korea scored. He should have subbed at half for Khatibi or at least in the 60th minute bring in Zandi.

    After we scored the 2nd goal, the Korean pressure escalated immensely. Daei did not respond to this at all. He could have brought in M. Zareh as a 2nd defensive mid at that time to releieve some of the pressure, but he didnt do anything, and not surprisingly, Korea scored. Did Korea's goal come as a shock to anybody? It was obivous they were going to score. They had pressure on our goal. Daei didnt do anything to relieve this pressure. He didnt change the formation to add more help defensively, he didnt make any subs, nothing.

    7) Aghili is very shakey on the defensive line and I have been saying this for a long time now. This will come back to haunt us in bigger matches. Korea's goal came off his poor marking. He almost handed Korea a goal in the 1st half with a blunder but Kaebi saved the goal with a last ditch tackle. He also had 3-4 un-necessary fouls that gave Korea free kicks in good position.

    8) Nikbakht would've been useful this game. I read it in a post that Doctor Doom wrote before the match, and while I was watching the match, it really struck me that I agree completely and the Doc brings up a good point. We saw that the Khatibi-Rezaei combination didnt work too well. We needed tall strikers vs N.Korea who were good in the air and physical. Thats precisely why Seyed Salehi was invited. Nikbakht is better than Seyed Salehi in my eyes, and has plenty of international expereince as well as being tall, physical, and would've gave the Koreans a lot of trouble up front. Good target man, and thats what our football needs, a target forward playing alongside a support striker like Rezaei

    9) This win was a pretty lucky win in my book. TM played an ok first half, but 2nd half was pretty bad. N. Korea had a better half in the 2nd half and had more shots and goal scoring chances that if they converted we'd be sharing points in Azadi.

    #2
    very disappointed in shojaei and nekounam, specially shojaei who walked around the pitch the entire game and waited for the ball to come to him!
    his dribblings were hardly effective and his passes werent that great.


    compared to jabbari, who ran more and participated more in team work, both while having the ball and when not having the ball, played good one touch passing while maintaining possession and positioning himself well in the penalty area.

    khatibi just frustrates me. he cant do anything right. he cant stop the ball right, he cant dribble properly, he doesnt pass on time, he doesnt make a run on time, he cant wint any aerial battles..nothing! SERIOUSLY!! WTF!!
    cant wait for hashemian and khalili to come back and see this guy kicked out!

    i hated it how our boys became so passive after the second goal and let the game go out of their control. korea punished us deservingly, thank god we won but i seriously hope daei addresses this issue to the team.

    i was against the subbing out of jabbari for zandi. i feel shojaei should have been subbed out, much earlier for zandi.
    the second half, our team hardly attacked and thats why jabbari disappeared but so did shojaei and mahdavikia.


    and im not satisfied with our 2 center backs. aghili and hosseini are vulnerable and slow. aghili keeps going for long balls which hardly produces any results specially when u have 2 midgets khatibi and rezai upfront who cant win any aerial battles and once again was poor in marking the short korean.
    hosseini was less error prone but he is so slowww....
    and when u combine the 2, we see every kind of defect a defense can have. so no matter wat tactic the opponent chooses, our defense will be vulnerable and beatable in it

    we could have beaten this team more and after seeing our futsal team getting kicked out cos of a goal difference and with korea having a high goal difference, it hink we shouldnt have become so passive and should have continued the game the same way we were playing all this while and try to score more. our players were certainly superior to theirs and i think we pulled back rather than the koreans pushing us back.

    overall, good we got the 3 points, but we could have done better in my opinion, much better.
    Originally posted by siavasharian
    ESTEGHLAL:

    بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
    بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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      #3
      So in case there is a tie in points, will the tie-breaker be goal differential? I thought FIFA changed the rule to make it head-to-head

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        #4
        no idea, but in general, having a good goal difference never hurts
        Originally posted by siavasharian
        ESTEGHLAL:

        بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
        بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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          #5
          Of course, but our A-team Team Melli rarely wins by large margins. When was the last time our A-team won by 2 or more goals? I can't even remember.

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            #6
            against strong asian sides,I cant even remember. was it asian cup 2004 in the 3rd and 4th place when we beat bahrain 4-2 i think?? that too, it depends, some people wont call bahrain a strong asian side.
            but against grade B asian sides, we did beat syria 2-0 (i think) in the previous round before making it to this round.

            and ofcourse, we beat was it taiwan in the previous round as well with a good margin?
            Originally posted by siavasharian
            ESTEGHLAL:

            بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
            بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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              #7
              No point in repeating myself, So here is what I posted in the main forum. Hope to get more serious feedback on it in Football+.


              A very poor display by Iran, specially in the second half, against an Average team. We were lucky to get 3 points of this or even didn't loose. One can write pages about this, but what is the point, Daie is the coach and nothing will change.


              Daie's performance evaluation
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              I give him a failing mark for the followings:

              Daie's line up in forward line (playing with both Khatibi, Rezai upfront) when Korea defense was so poor in the air.

              In KSA game Daie did well in the half time and changed the team, this game, N. Korea coach won the half coache's half (second half).

              Daie's sub were really poor. Did I say poor. Team is under the pressure by the Korea in our home field and he brings in Zandi which isn't a defensive player at all for Jabbari. Nekoonam showed that he isnt' a complete defensive midfielder for a 4-4-2 diamond, He is great in a 4-2-3-1. But Daie didn't see that or if he did see it (watch how many second balls Korean won in front of our 18 yards) didn't react fast (basically didnt' react at all). What am I talking about he brought Maziar Zare in the 92th minute!!!!!!


              our team has no plan to peneterate a team that sits back and defends deep, unless that team makes a mistake or an individual player improvise.

              Player's performance
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              Rahmati was a superstar and saved our arse big time. Kaabi was very good as well. Everyone else was sub par (even Kia and Jabbari were better than others but still sub par).

              Worst than everyone else was Aghili and Nekoonam (despite the goal he scored) add shojai to this crowd.

              Either this North Korean team is very good or our team played really really bad. With a 4-1 victory of S. Korea vs. UAE we will have a really tough time in Seoul.
              Last edited by Ali Chicago; 10-15-2008, 10:32 AM.
              "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
              Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



              Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
              Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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                #8
                Kasra jan pretty much made my life easier by stating almost everything I wanted to say. so for my views, just go back and read kasra's original post.
                thanks bro.

                I agree with everything he said except a few minute points.

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                4- I agree zareh did have a good first half, especially two pretty nice crosses ( one with his left foot ) and a good shot.
                but in the first half the koreans didnt put that much of a pressure on us anyway. zareh's defensive abilities were demonstrated in the second half after our 2nd goal and he came out quite POOR.
                especially in marking the opponent as well as positioning himself in crosses.
                very poor indeed.


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                8- the other matter is why daei failed to use a clear height advantage in the game.
                it is beyond logic and any sensibility.
                I think we all expected to see salehi ( the only tall striker daei bothered to call against a short korean team. by itself a question mark ) start the game.
                and I think repeated misses by our short strikers shd have dropped the coin in daei's brain by the end of 1st half.
                heh.
                be hamin khial baash !!
                khatibi continued his pathetic display while salehi sat on the bench and we missed chance after chance !

                I think it was a no brainer, especially when even short players like kia or rezaei were able to head some balls in the korean 18. I mean you must be blind as a bat not to see how we could have exploited this.
                I guess daei ought to visit an ophthalmologist very soon.

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                I know kasra mentioned it, but daei's substitutions ( and player selection ) were SO HORRIBLE that I think I ought to repeat it here.
                from the starting line up, to the timing of the subs .

                proves our TM bench is very LIGHT WEIGHT and they desperately need either Rottemuller or some other experienced coach to come to their help in such times.
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                daei's "rafigh-baazi" is really getting to be too much.
                from zareh to sadeghi to khatibi ... when in REALITY, no coach would have given these guys even a second look months ago !

                till when are we to suffer these "personal" issues getting in the way of TM?

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                Aghili shd have tried to get a yellow in this game.
                I'd rather see him suspended for the uae game than against south korea or ksa.

                another sign of the light weight bench , who SHOULD have thought about all these matters as well.

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                I dont know why nobody notices the pathetic state and number of our shooting stats !!
                we shd see at least 10-12 good shots per game from such a team. but we dont!
                who is responsible ?

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                good to see kia and his crosses back at TM.
                in fact I was sporting such a huge grin even in the beginning of the game when we had 4-5 corners consecutively with kia sending one dangerous cross after another. and was reminded of the horrible and pathetic corners and crosses we had to endure in our previous games , some flying over everyone, some consistently getting blocked by the nearest opponent, ... etc.

                I hope now ppl see why we need someone like kia to consistently and frequently supply crosses.
                something that didnt happen enough on the left! I'd liked to have seen hajsafi instead of shojaei , especially seeing how koreans were susceptible in crosses.
                but then again, nothing daei did made any sense today.
                een yeki ham roosh !!
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                and finally, I'd like to say our second half was extremely poor.
                when are we going to see a team that KNOWS what it's doing and has proper strategies and tactics?

                in the early months it was unfair to expect teamwork, strategy and planning. fair enough.
                but this is enough time and we OUGHT TO play far better than this.
                why dont we see team tactics ? just some guys passing the ball around, mostly backwards and going nowhere !

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                  #9
                  I agree with most of your points Ali jan.

                  In regard to Nekounam, the Osasuna fans have actually been saying this for a while now, so they've seen the same thing that we have. That Nekou is not as effective as the sole defensive mid as he is when playing the 4-2-3-1.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by KasraKhan View Post
                    Of course, but our A-team Team Melli rarely wins by large margins. When was the last time our A-team won by 2 or more goals? I can't even remember.
                    Besides the Zandi's goal to UAE in UAE and Kia's goal today, as I remember a very high percetage of our TM lately scores, if it is not from a set play. I am not saying it is a disaster or anything more than 30% of goals these days in teh football comes from the set plays. Point is our team isn't offensively versatil enough to win games with a lobsided margin.
                    "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
                    Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



                    Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
                    Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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                      #11
                      One other thing, we had very long discussion here about Kia not fitting a 4-4-2 diamond (as Mr. Daie put it). I think today's Kia performance spoke for itself. Mr. Daie as the head coach is fully in charge of who he thinks need to be invited or not, but comment like (kia doesn't fit in my tactics, well, what can I say, .....).

                      Other thing, I forgot to mention, this is one game and I hope our team just had a bad day, but from KSA game to today, our team got worst (supposed to be the other way imporved).
                      "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
                      Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



                      Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
                      Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ali Chicago View Post
                        One other thing, we had very long discussion here about Kia not fitting a 4-4-2 diamond (as Mr. Daie put it). I think today's Kia performance spoke for itself. Mr. Daie as the head coach is fully in charge of who he thinks need to be invited or not, but comment like (kia doesn't fit in my tactics, well, what can I say, .....).
                        speaking of daei's personal grudges and how absolutely INACCURATE they are, I'd like to add this too:
                        the karimi we saw lately was equal to shojaei, mixed with khatibi mixed with nekounam of today.
                        1 player could have done the job of all these 3 players rather easily, but for the matter of "ego" of our two egotistical stars !!!

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                          #13
                          ^ Well, as we expected Daei went for 4-1-3-2 in which Kia fits perfectly. I still say Kia doesn't fit the diamond. I think although he was good, it was well visible that he isn't the Kia we used to know anymore. How often did he stay behind and Kaebi came forward. Don't get me wrong, he is still a good player, but not as good as he used to be.

                          I must say for once I agree with Dr.Doom's analysis of Zare. Started very brightly and then decreased a lot in second half. Anyway, I still think he is the one-eyed among the blind which DD surely disagrees with.

                          I personally must say I liked Jabbari, Hosseini and Rahmati. Nekounam was ok but he had too many bad passes.

                          Khatibi, Aghili and Shojaei were disappointing, although Shojaei at least assisted the important second goal.

                          The rest were average.
                          Last edited by Martin-Reza; 10-15-2008, 11:12 AM.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by KasraKhan View Post
                            So in case there is a tie in points, will the tie-breaker be goal differential? I thought FIFA changed the rule to make it head-to-head

                            The tie breaker is HEAD-2-HEAD



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                              #15
                              for the LB post, I'd pick shiri, alenemeh, shirzad, asadi , nouri ( and I may even add Feshangchi ) anyday over zareh , who plays right midfield at bargh ( I'm not gonna stop repeating this fact coz it makes using zareh at LB the most ridiculous and absurd decision ).
                              I hardly think those are the "blind" .
                              and I'm pretty sure Martin jan also will agree

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