Navad & Ferdowsipour …Conduct unbecoming.

[gol_kuchik]

Maij jan, we had a long discussion on this topic a while back and many
of your concerns were covered. I couldn't find the thread, and I don't
want to be repetative. But I think we need more journalists like Ferdosipour
in their respective fields to put the people in charge under microscope not
less.

Of course he may say things or do things some will like and some will not.
For instance I did not see his comment to Ghotbi, but if infact he asked him
when will be your next trip to Dubai that is really funny and to the point.
Our culture needs more straight exchange and less Ghorban shoma, be lotfeh
shoma ..... and all that phoney taarof. (not saying that is what you want,
but saying Ferdosipour rarely does the type of Khayeh Mali so rampant in
our cutlure).

Remember we Iranian and based on great writers like Saadi/Obayed Zakani
and Dehkhoda ... have always made great points through sattire.

Just like TM where 5 different fans will give you 5 different TM roster, I don't think any individual can satisfy everyones taste as a reporter.

Faced with that, is 90 a good show or not? To me it is absolutely a great
show I look forward to watching. What is your suggestion?

p.s may be I am a Dahati, but I have not felt my intelligence insulted, watching
a sport program like 90. Remember this is not state of the union recap, its entertainment.

[zzgloo]

I didn't read all the comments above, and maybe I should have...but I still think Ferdosipour's existance in our football and media is more beneficial and helpful than his non-existance would be...he seems to be the only guy who questions events and issues that so many don't want to touch and despite the ocassional bad moves by him, I rather have him around and I would personally give him a passing score with his 90 program, despite what many others here think.

very objective observation......as his questions indeed are the kind with substance......
In General, IRIB's policies have always been to hire, gentle looking ,intelegent,Poleticaly naive,young graduates of universities....
and Ferdosipour,is among more assertive of those bunch !
....................................There are different type of questioneers.
there questions that ,sensationalized magazins ask to create hashieh.
there are questions that ordinary media ask,to just clear trivia matters.
and there are questions that are foundemental,and are legitimate,and penetrating.
.........
While ferdosipour has his faults,yet I have not seen more intelegent questions from other commentators.........
It is his Job, to not let Coaches and officials to take fans for granted !!!.
While I agree with majid jaan, as he should not interfier in to personal issues or cheap shots....But, he should continue to keep the authurities on thier toes !

[Ali Chicago]

Ali Agha...

You brought up one quite interesting character ...You mentioned Haj Rezaei , a man that has a wealth of knowledge , an analytic mind that has been exceptional to me whenever I saw him on the screen , and a person who acts decent and respectable when addressing others. I also read his articles whenever it is published in Iran Varzeshi.

So , there are alternatives...There are people who can be civilized , knowledgeable and constructive..To go right to the point, there are good people in Iran who can do a pretty decent job other than Ferdowsipour . Perhaps he does not have the charisma of Adel , but then again why not give others the exposure to see if they can be as successful and productive.

I suspect that the hierarchy has read the hands of Iranian viewers quite well and they are one step ahead. I think they care less about constructive criticism and knowing the Persian passion for controversy, hashiya and debate , they (IRIB) feed them what they want….exactly like the tabloid journalism in Iran….. Same SH*T different media , a question of demand & supply.

I honestly feel sometime that contents and issues in "Navad" are insults to the intelligent of the average common man unless they are pretty confident they are addressing a bunch of Dehati , who are more than happy to have such material on TV.

It is also interesting to note that this program targets everyone and everything for criticism, it has hardly allowed the viewers to express their views on the contents , authenticity and league matches.

Hajrezai and Zolfagharnasab or even Korbekandi and many others who are khaneh nesheen like Hasan Habibi for example aren't journalist. They are analyst, peeskesvat, coach, manager etc. There is a difference between an investigative journalist and those people. In the west there are quite few examples of contraversial journalist (Seamor Hersh or Bob Woodward are examples). Points is comparing the two is comparing apples and oranges (IMO). Even if we ignore that difference, with all the respect I have for Haj Rezai or Zolfaghar Nasab and many other knowledgable peeshkesvats, I don't see they ask the tough questions, and dig dirt. With lack of freedom for press in Iran, I don't blame them, but you get my drift. I don't know who is backing up Ferdoosipoor, but this guy at times, crosses certain red lines (which no one else dare or allowed to cross).

I totally agree with your points about some of his shenanigan, but overall I am afraid, I still see his presence on a relative basis much more positive.

Altrenatives are someone like Jahangeer ***ari (***ari backup one of the current factions we all know it), Khiabani, yousefi, mazdak Mirazai, etc. You be the judge.

[RaginG Inferno]

Maij, your posts never disappoint. I have complained about Adel's conduct on this board for a long time. He sees himself as some sort of interrogator, exempt from the normal standards which apply to reporters. His program is often not an arena for debate, but an arena for comments that instigate the interviewee.

[zzgloo]

I have complained about Adel's conduct on this board for a long time. He sees himself as some sort of interrogator, exempt from the normal standards which apply to reporters. His program is often not an arena for debate, but an arena for comments that instigate the interviewee.

RaginG Inferno e aziz...where have you been lately ??!!
.................................................. ............................

How els did you want Ferdosipour to be ??? , in IRAN, the land of " OPINION " , The land of " Eddeaa " !.the land of " tavagho " !

Where do you think he gets those critisisms from ?..he makes them up himself ?as 50 newspapers ( In tehran alone ) have covered hundreds of issues & Contrvercies , and him needing to be ahead newspapers !

Do you know what other programs are like ? like " MOSALAS ",or triangle...in which ,they asked very intrusive offensive questions from daei .

Fans in Iran, demand different kind of " Football talk show " than, civilized , controled , western media !!!

I am not approveing his work...I am just saying, ...we should look at him from domestic point of view..and not ' our western allianated ' more civilized view.

Football enviroment in Iran, is no place to improve the culture through !!..and defenetly it is not ferdosipour's business to do so !!!

God Bless !

[maij]

Maij jan, we had a long discussion on this topic a while back and many
of your concerns were covered. I couldn't find the thread, and I don't
want to be repetative. But I think we need more journalists like Ferdosipour
in their respective fields to put the people in charge under microscope not
less.

Of course he may say things or do things some will like and some will not.
For instance I did not see his comment to Ghotbi, but if infact he asked him
when will be your next trip to Dubai that is really funny and to the point.
Our culture needs more straight exchange and less Ghorban shoma, be lotfeh
shoma ..... and all that phoney taarof. (not saying that is what you want,
but saying Ferdosipour rarely does the type of Khayeh Mali so rampant in
our cutlure).

Remember we Iranian and based on great writers like Saadi/Obayed Zakani
and Dehkhoda ... have always made great points through sattire.

Just like TM where 5 different fans will give you 5 different TM roster, I don't think any individual can satisfy everyones taste as a reporter.

Faced with that, is 90 a good show or not? To me it is absolutely a great
show I look forward to watching. What is your suggestion?

p.s may be I am a Dahati, but I have not felt my intelligence insulted, watching
a sport program like 90. Remember this is not state of the union recap, its entertainment.

Let me tell something about the media and journalist in Iran first hand. I say that because as a part time journalist I have been with Team Melli many times and made lots of contacts with Iranian media ....Basically , I have a pretty good knowledge of their mentality and methods since a decade now.

I have yet to meet a single , and I mean a single "Khaye mal" sport journalist in Iran. I am not denying that there are none, but my experience throughout the years and also from reading sport media on daily basis , I must say that your "phoney . taarof bazi" is a rare breed.

I personally thing the media has gone on the other extreme , where every guy (some barely in their late teens) can come up and question all sort of things with minimal knowledge and experience.


So , I definitely do not agree with you on that subject.....If you have examples of taarof bazi , then be my guest...let us hear both side of the story.

As for Dahati , I did not say that anyone that is watching NAVAD is Dahati (else myself is included!)

I said "I honestly feel sometime that contents and issues in "Navad" are insults to the intelligent of the average common man unless they are pretty confident they are addressing a bunch of Dehati , who are more than happy to have such material on TV."

If you need more elaboration on this statement , then I will be happy to do so, but I think what I said is quite clear.

As for your intelligence not being insulted , then Noshi Jonat Agha Gol Kuchick, mine has been insulted many times watching some of the stuff and some of the provocative issues , which perhaps has some hidden agenda in disguise, being aired.

Let me refer you to the excellent post of Raging Inferno , that has summarized Ferdowsipour. He has put it much better than I did and in much shorter statement.

[maij]

Hajrezai and Zolfagharnasab or even Korbekandi and many others who are khaneh nesheen like Hasan Habibi for example aren't journalist. They are analyst, peeskesvat, coach, manager etc. There is a difference between an investigative journalist and those people. In the west there are quite few examples of contraversial journalist (Seamor Hersh or Bob Woodward are examples). Points is comparing the two is comparing apples and oranges (IMO). Even if we ignore that difference, with all the respect I have for Haj Rezai or Zolfaghar Nasab and many other knowledgable peeshkesvats, I don't see they ask the tough questions, and dig dirt. With lack of freedom for press in Iran, I don't blame them, but you get my drift. I don't know who is backing up Ferdoosipoor, but this guy at times, crosses certain red lines (which no one else dare or allowed to cross).

I totally agree with your points about some of his shenanigan, but overall I am afraid, I still see his presence on a relative basis much more positive.

Altrenatives are someone like Jahangeer ***ari (***ari backup one of the current factions we all know it), Khiabani, yousefi, mazdak Mirazai, etc. You be the judge.

Of Course Ali Jan.... These people like HajRezaei are not media people and can't replace the current presenters. But , there are others who should be given the chance and that never hurts.

[maij]

Maij, your posts never disappoint. I have complained about Adel's conduct on this board for a long time. He sees himself as some sort of interrogator, exempt from the normal standards which apply to reporters. His program is often not an arena for debate, but an arena for comments that instigate the interviewee.

Thanks Ghorban....

You have put it beautifully.

I am afraid , many people see that provocative type of journalism works best and being anti-establishment is the right attitude. Perhaps in Iran with such limited or curtailed freedom of expression and press , pepole DO like to see this type of anarchistic journalism.

Perhaps people enjoy seeing the likes of Ghotbi , Mostafavi , Ghalenoei and many others being humiliated by Ferdowsipour...... I don't see that as civilized act nor anything to do with freedom of expression.
I have not made notes about the numerous amount of Ferdowsipours "Boo-boo's" because it was not my intention to create any opposition against the man , but lately he has exceeded the level of decency and ethics and people need to be aware and not get "bamboozled " by his charisma while addressing issues.

[shayan20]

[maij]

^^^^^^^^^

hahheeehh...

That pretty much summarizes what i am talking about...

Thanks

[Doctor DOOM]

I think what ferdowsipoor has done is what many MANY Iranians have done and are still doing ( in Iran and outside it ): they look at the west and try to emulate the west. but they pick things selectively. they pick up all the stupid, superficial, idiotic stuff and regurgitate , while leaving the more useful and constructive stuff untouched.
why?
coz all that dirt and moronic stuff seem more exciting and "cool" !!!!

we all have seen all sorts of sports programs with analysis and discussions/debates from many parts of the world. they all have some idiotic stuff mixed with other intelligent and valid discussion points and segments. But things are done in moderation. ferdowsipoor , in his zeal to make the program even more attractive and exciting, has resorted to getting more and more controversial.
coz lets face it. Most Iranians arent very deep. and this kind of crap really finds purchase in Iran.
It's a cultural thing

[maij]

I think what ferdowsipoor has done is what many MANY Iranians have done and are still doing ( in Iran and outside it ): they look at the west and try to emulate the west. but they pick things selectively. they pick up all the stupid, superficial, idiotic stuff and regurgitate , while leaving the more useful and constructive stuff untouched.
why?
coz all that dirt and moronic stuff seem more exciting and "cool" !!!!

we all have seen all sorts of sports programs with analysis and discussions/debates from many parts of the world. they all have some idiotic stuff mixed with other intelligent and valid discussion points and segments. But things are done in moderation. ferdowsipoor , in his zeal to make the program even more attractive and exciting, has resorted to getting more and more controversial.
coz lets face it. Most Iranians arent very deep. and this kind of crap really finds purchase in Iran.
It's a cultural thing

Gol Gofti , Peyman Jan.

[perspolees]

what were you expecting!!?
a class act show in standards of UK, Spain, Germany, etc. in Iran?
what part of our football or heck other aspects of life in Iran is similar to those countries that you expect the show to be!!?
our judicial system is run by akhoonds where they cut throat based on BS islamic rules then u expect navad to all of a sudden be what!!?

[RaginG Inferno]

RaginG Inferno e aziz...where have you been lately ??!!
.................................................. ............................
How els did you want Ferdosipour to be ??? , in IRAN, the land of " OPINION " , The land of " Eddeaa " !.the land of " tavagho " !
Where do you think he gets those critisisms from ?..he makes them up himself ?as 50 newspapers ( In tehran alone ) have covered hundreds of issues & Contrvercies , and him needing to be ahead newspapers !
Do you know what other programs are like ? like " MOSALAS ",or triangle...in which ,they asked very intrusive offensive questions from daei .
Fans in Iran, demand different kind of " Football talk show " than, civilized , controled , western media !!!
I am not approveing his work...I am just saying, ...we should look at him from domestic point of view..and not ' our western allianated ' more civilized view.
Football enviroment in Iran, is no place to improve the culture through !!..and defenetly it is not ferdosipour's business to do so !!!
God Bless !

I haven't had much time recently, law school exams need preparation, unfortunately.

An interesting example of Adel's behaviour was during the world cup, in 2006. I recall he kept saying 'khoda-hafez Ali-Daei', and kept repeating this insulting comment. Instead of making an observation like: "I believe Ali Daei's performance is limited by his age' or something more moderate, he was directly telling Ali Daei to leave the national team.

Now don't get me wrong, I agreed that Ali Daei's performances suggested that he should step aside, Adel made a point to be disrespectful and belligerent in expressing this. He often crosses the line...

[maij]

His comments during several games on Arash Borhani was also quite cheap. This was the time when Arash admittedly failed to convert his chances.

The point is that Adel Ferdowsipour forgets that he is a commentator and indulges in terminologies that belongs to bi-farhang football fans not befitting a supposedly unbiased football commentator.