UAE - IRAN game

[maij]

^ We had one bad game, no need to overreact. The team amazingly improved after the first few games under Daei and since his debut we are unbeaten.

I agree the game was horrible, but the games before that were not, so claiming this is now a new "downward" tendency is a premature assumption.

True ....very true.


The onus is on the coaching staff staff to recover from this shaky performance , be it tactical , individual shortcomings or anything in between.

Somehow , and this is purely my own view , I think there was a shortcoming in analyzing the opposition.

The two Ismael's Al Hammadi and Mattar , have great pace and the latter some exceptional skills. The two players are probably the most fouled upon players in the UAE league. They did practically what they wanted to do in the match and Thanks God we had an exceptpnal GK in Rahmati who was in top form.


I am reviewing the UAE goal. Ismael Hammadi with ample of space , passes to Abdulrahim ( no one to mark him) , who passes with ease to Mattar ( 3 TM defenders in the vicinity , but Hooseini is marking him) Matter , does a u turn leaving Hosseini strranded and immidiately passes back to Abdulrahim who has ample space and time to shoot.

Elementary sets of errors that was repeated many times in the match...

[BehzadB]

My eye sight is not as good as it used to be , nor is my memory , but hey ....I have not lost it completely yet....Where did I say or agree with you ..... Cuz if I did , I want to correct myself.

Oh, no, I didn't say you agreed with me, it was a question with question marks at the end.

You said coaches don't have to tell everything to the public. And I didn't say they do. But When you say that, (and we were talking about Kia's exclusion and daie's explanation), then you are implying there was probably more to it than Daie had told us, which is what I had been saying in our previous discussion in other threads.

And if that's not what you meant than i am not sure why the idea that coaches don't talk about everything came up here in the first place.

[faraz]

I am reviewing the UAE goal. Ismael Hammadi with ample of space , passes to Abdulrahim ( no one to mark him) , who passes with ease to Mattar ( 3 TM defenders in the vicinity , but Hooseini is marking him) Matter , does a u turn leaving Hosseini strranded and immidiately passes back to Abdulrahim who has ample space and time to shoot.

Elementary sets of errors that was repeated many times in the match...

I'm not sure about 'elementary sets of errors', though I think it was definitely 'one' error in Hash's pass back which created a quick counter. From then on, UAE executed perfectly.

A) I think we should give them more credit than that. It was VERY intelligent cross-field run to create space, a perfectly weighted ball into the box, a quick u-turn throwing everyone offguard (and vision/knowledge of where the receiving player was beforehand!!) and the precisest of balls back across, with the move completed with an ideal, quick finish into the side netting (my coaches always used to say, aim for the post....)

B) Point being, the goal was simply beautiful and our defense did NOT have the skill, quickness or vision to read the move, and were simply out-thwarted.

Couple A and B together...and it's basically a recipe for disaster.

Mattar especially did whatever he wanted. After this many times playing against the UAE, numerous scouting reports and the third, how could we have not seen the danger from him?? Or did we and still chose to opt for a 4 man midfield with amples of space in the middle for Mattar to waltz through at will and play an inexperienced defender in the heart of our backline...?

[maij]

Oh, no, I didn't say you agreed with me, it was a question with question marks at the end.

You said coaches don't have to tell everything to the public. And I didn't say they do. But When you say that, (and we were talking about Kia's exclusion and daie's explanation), then you are implying there was probably more to it than Daie had told us, which is what I had been saying in our previous discussion in other threads.

And if that's not what you meant than i am not sure why the idea that coaches don't talk about everything came up here in the first place.

Agha Behzad jan...Now I am utterly confused by all this. Let us put it to rest by saying , I am not implying anything. The only thought I have on the Kia issue is that Daei had no personal problems with Kia (this was in the trhread that Martin-Reza started about the issue) and my viewpoints was proven after he picked him up....simple and clear , azizm.

[maij]

I'm not sure about 'elementary sets of errors', though I think it was definitely 'one' error in Hash's pass back which created a quick counter. From then on, UAE executed perfectly.

A) I think we should give them more credit than that. It was VERY intelligent cross-field run to create space, a perfectly weighted ball into the box, a quick u-turn throwing everyone offguard (and vision/knowledge of where the receiving player was beforehand!!) and the precisest of balls back across, with the move completed with an ideal, quick finish into the side netting (my coaches always used to say, aim for the post....)

B) Point being, the goal was simply beautiful and our defense did NOT have the skill, quickness or vision to read the move, and were simply out-thwarted.

Couple A and B together...and it's basically a recipe for disaster.

Mattar especially did whatever he wanted. After this many times playing against the UAE, numerous scouting reports and the third, how could we have not seen the danger from him?? Or did we and still chose to opt for a 4 man midfield with amples of space in the middle for Mattar to waltz through at will and play an inexperienced defender in the heart of our backline...?

Elementary set of errors refers to failure by a team to defend properly.

In the UAE goal , there was poor coverage , a player in the stature of Hosseini rounded like a kid in a street , Abdulrahim left unmarked ( not as though he turned up there out of thin air) and then while shooting , there was only a late attempt to prevent him by , out of all players , Rezaei !


As for the "How did not we see it coming" , I am at loss myself to answer this ....Is it complacency by the coach and the players??? I mean let us face , we as a race are not one of the most humble...we think that TM has a divine right for every championship...... Did you read some of the comments before the match " Team Emarat harfi baraye goftan Nadreh !!!"

Was it that the coaching staff knew all about the threats , but simply did not have the tools to counteract it??

I am not sure Faraz jan...All I know is that errors where committed and Iran was the lucky side to draw....NOW , back to the drawing board.

[The-Red]

with all due respect to everyone, I personally don't see much of a need to analysis as the last three games clearly shows this team needs an experienced coaching staff on the bench, this is about TM not hasan agha or hussain agha, let's face it, this team doesn't deserve to make the WC.

[maij]

^^^^^^

With all due respect .....how easy it is to create hypothetical situations , thinking that it will solve our problems.......This sort of thing belongs to "Never Never land."

We are dealing with reality here...not wishful thinking...and if we have Marcello Lippi or Arsene Wenger.....or Christiano Ronaldo was Iranian and played as our midfielder.

We have a set of players and a coaching team......and if we have any aspiration , we need to work with them and wish they improve.

[BehzadB]

Agha Behzad jan...Now I am utterly confused by all this. Let us put it to rest by saying , I am not implying anything. The only thought I have on the Kia issue is that Daei had no personal problems with Kia (this was in the trhread that Martin-Reza started about the issue) and my viewpoints was proven after he picked him up....simple and clear , azizm.

nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.

[maij]

nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.

hheheeee...Behzad jan.... I don't see the agreement or the lack of it in this argument..

Perhaps it is getting past my bed time , or I am completely misunderstanding the argument

[faraz]

Daei's post match comments from http://www.the-afc.com/eng/articles/...168331199.html

“This is the best I have seen UAE play for a long time,” said Daei.

“Many other teams would have lost to the UAE tonight. So I am proud of my team and the way they fought to get a point.

“We started very badly and played a poor first half. It is the worst I have seen this team play. We gifted the ball to them.

“In the second half, we were a lot better and created plenty of chances. We put pressure on them and eventually got the equaliser.

“But I was not happy with the refereeing. We were denied two clear penalties.”

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I absolutely hate that 'a lot of teams would have lost' comment, but for the most part, at least he acknowledges it is the worst half that we've played in a long time, big positive. And although we drastically improved in the second half, I don't know if we dominated them at all - they still had some pretty clear cut chances and exposed all the holes in our defense still.

Also, what is the second penalty he's talking about? I don't recall there being another iffy case...

[maij]

Daei's post match comments from http://www.the-afc.com/eng/articles/...168331199.html

I have failed to see even a single penalty, let alone two.....
yes , his admission that the team played badly goes a long way to start working on the shortcomings.

Interesting to note Daei's comment about the UAE team. Hmmmmm...could it be that they have NOT really went into a proper analysis ??? or heaven forbids , a complacency mood ??? Or maybe then really beleived in the theory of "Emarat harfi baraye goftan nadareh!!" ??

[faraz]

Interesting to note Daei's comment about the UAE team. Hmmmmm...could it be that they have NOT really went into a proper analysis ??? or heaven forbids , a complacency mood ??? Or maybe then really beleived in the theory of "Emarat harfi baraye goftan nadareh!!" ??

That may just be the case, and if it is, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised...lessons learned and onto the next match I guess (or hope?...hope is probably a more suitable word).

[RaginG Inferno]

It's almost my habit. After every TM performance, I open a thread about Iran and possession football. This time, I won't bother.

THE GREATEST PROBLEM IS IRAN'S INABILITY TO PLAY POSSESSION FOOTBALL

[RaginG Inferno]

with all due respect to everyone, I personally don't see much of a need to analysis as the last three games clearly shows this team needs an experienced coaching staff on the bench, this is about TM not hasan agha or hussain agha, let's face it, this team doesn't deserve to make the WC.

Agreed, but it's more wishful thinking than a realistic desire.

[yashar_fasihnia]

btw guys, the korea saudi game, apparently the saudi forward who got sent off in the 58th minute for a dive and second yellow was a wrong call and it was a clear penalty.
so korea got lucky there, not to concede a penalty and intead, saudi forward get a second yellow card for a "dive" by the referee.
korea then went on to score 2 goals, although a 10 man saudi team could have avoided a loss and werent outplayed by the 11 koreans!

looks like that crucial referee mistake has affected all the teams in our group but thats football