UAE - IRAN game

[RaginG Inferno]

I understand your point, but we should aspire to higher standards, not justify poor performances.

[Hadi]

with all due respect to everyone, I personally don't see much of a need to analysis as the last three games clearly shows this team needs an experienced coaching staff on the bench, this is about TM not hasan agha or hussain agha, let's face it, this team doesn't deserve to make the WC.

period!

I am amazed to see that people here claim that we played well against N Korea and Saudi Arabia.

Infact, the way we played yesterday was exactly like we played against Saudi Arabia.

[Hadi]

Agreed, but it's more wishful thinking than a realistic desire.

its sad because just two years ago, that was our greatest strength.

[Ali Chicago]

Daei's post match comments from http://www.the-afc.com/eng/articles/...168331199.html

Glad to hear him saying team didnt' play well. I saw the headline on the PFDC page about Daie complaining about the penalties and didnt' read it, since I thought he think team played well and it was bad ref calls. Apparently that wasn't the case and he admitted poor performance.

I warn people to count too much on the second half. UAE until 75-80 minutes at least had 2 or 3 one on one against Rahmati. Around 80th minute probably UAE mentally was getting ready to rachet down and sit back and they got the goal. So while it could be potentilly improvement in our team's performance, it also could be simply UAE planned to sit back and then they got the goal. We simply have no way of knowing which was the case. Our team agaisnt the same UAE (under Metsu) didn't play well 5 months ago (we won but they dominated us) in the earlier round, so I am surprised Mr. Daie expresses his surprise at UAE level of play.

[Doctor DOOM]

Actually we are 1 point in front and still have 5 games to defend that.

na dadash.
north korea and ksa have BEATEN uae AT uae.
and I'm pretty sure south korea also will.
we got a draw.
we are 2 points behind

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^ We had one bad game, no need to overreact.

again, I must disagree.
I think you shd have said "we had one bad game where we didnt win" ... coz we've been having bad games for a long time, and only due to individual brilliance of players ( mostly rahmati the GOAL KEEPER !!!!!! ) we've scraped through.

this shows you only look at the "numbers" on the score board and not at the quality of the performance. otherwise you'd have acknowledged that with " finally our bad games are catching up with our scorelines" !

this attitude is the exact thing I was talking about in earlier posts.
we HAVE TO acknowledge the lacks and defects. if we close our eyes to it, we'll never correct them ( coz we'd be in denial and think there's nothing to be corrected ! )



the thing is this is the usual "sweeping the dirt under the rug".
as long as the numbers satisfy us, we're ok
but it's wrong.
so lets not make this about this game only. it's just that we didnt get lucky enough this time.
one day our luck will run out and then all we're left with is our actual tactics and performance which hasnt been good at all !

[yashar_fasihnia]

we are in an ok position at the table.
we have won our home game and drawn our away games which is standard.

KSA is in a bad situation. they have drawn 1 home game against us and lost the other to south korea.

korea is in a very good position. they have beaten a tough opponent away!

[maij]

Positive points

Now we all know that the performance against UAE was not very satisfactory. However , there are always some positive points.

1- Physically , TM seemed to be prevailing specially at the end when UAE players started tiring and under pressure they conceded the goal.

2- If Rezaei did not miss that one-on-one , we would have been laughing.

3- Daei excelled in one are- His subistitutions.

4- The reult- A draw away from home is nothing to be ashamed about. With 5 points and only one home game played against two away , it is far from being a disastrous sitiuation.

5- A couple of games in a friendly tournament and two in Asian Cup qualifiers , before the next home game to South Korea should give the team ample time to find that chemistry and also find options for several players.

[zzgloo]

Would you have been satisfied ,if we had a penalty kick ,and won the game ?!

Was it just this game TM did not play well ?

Has any of TM perfomances under Daei been totaly satisfactory ?

Will we all be content, even if we qualify for the WC ?

Is the currant coaching staff what we wanted when we fired Branko ?

Is it the matter of " Seeing the Glass, half full or half empty ", or is the matter that the glass does not even have 20% water in it ?

[Doctor DOOM]

Now we all know that the performance against UAE was not very satisfactory. However , there are always some positive points.

1- Physically , TM seemed to be prevailing specially at the end when UAE players started tiring and under pressure they conceded the goal.

2- If Rezaei did not miss that one-on-one , we would have been laughing.

3- Daei excelled in one are- His subistitutions.

4- The reult- A draw away from home is nothing to be ashamed about. With 5 points and only one home game played against two away , it is far from being a disastrous sitiuation.

5- A couple of games in a friendly tournament and two in Asian Cup qualifiers , before the next home game to South Korea should give the team ample time to find that chemistry and also find options for several players.

1- I dont know whether by "prevailing" you mean we see favorable numbers on the score board or actually doing better than the opponents", coz rahmati has saved our arses even in late stages of the games.
any other keeper would have let in a few of those and we wouldnt be saying "we prevailed" ( just becoz our keeper goes on making 100% saves ) !



2- despite the hand-ball ?


3- yes, the right ppl COME IN.
but what do you say about the MORE IMPORTANT issue of starter selection ?


4- I dont know why certain friends , here, keep ignoring the fact that we just lost 2 points from a fixture that all our direct rivals have gained all 3 points !!!
strange !

5- I certainly hope you are right.
I think it is high time we saw good team work and team tactics in TM.
now, the excuse of "too early to expect" does not hold water anymore.
TM must show better quality of football today.

[maij]

Peyman jan.... You don't seem to find anything positive , not because it is not there but because of your extremist views.

I swear to God that you will find something negative to say even if Iran beats Spain in the final of the World Cup 3-0 in South Africa , moaning about something like why Madanchi substituted in minute 72 instead of minute 68 !!!!

Baba, we have passed that stage...No one is claiming that we played like we should...every Tom, Dick and Harry is accepting that even Ali Daei himself.

NOW , to objectively and logically discuss the positive points , if you will allow me.

1- Both Iran goals in away games came late. Indicative that the team has stamina and perhaps the opposition did not match Team Melli's physiques.

2- When a team wins , specially away from home, the majority ( NOT you of course) will forget and forgive about the shortcomings. That is very natural and common. At the end of the day teams play for points , unlike Harlem Globetrotters.

3- Substitutions , when it yields results , are positive. How on earth can you claim the right timing for this person coming in or going out? Beside , the majority have accepted that the starting line up was the best available at the time. Post match events , one can always start lecturing about how wrong it was , but that is neither intelligent nor forthcoming

4- I find your statement that Team Melli has lost two points , quite interesting coming from a person who had very liitle or no confidence in the team in the first place. According to your expectation , TM is short of disastrous (or adjectives to such effect) , so , how come you are bemoaning the fact that they have lost 2 points?? From my understanding of your posts regarding Team Melli , we should have lost 9 points, or am I missing anything here?

5- We can only live in hope. There is no such thing as assuring results at international level. When a powerful star-studded team such as Portugal gets humiliated 6-2 by Brazil , it certaily does not mean the Portuguese football system has crumbled. Nor is Brazil football facing disaster after some poor showing in the qualifiers.

1- I dont know whether by "prevailing" you mean we see favorable numbers on the score board or actually doing better than the opponents", coz rahmati has saved our arses even in late stages of the games.
any other keeper would have let in a few of those and we wouldnt be saying "we prevailed" ( just becoz our keeper goes on making 100% saves ) !



2- despite the hand-ball ?


3- yes, the right ppl COME IN.
but what do you say about the MORE IMPORTANT issue of starter selection ?


4- I dont know why certain friends , here, keep ignoring the fact that we just lost 2 points from a fixture that all our direct rivals have gained all 3 points !!!
strange !

5- I certainly hope you are right.
I think it is high time we saw good team work and team tactics in TM.
now, the excuse of "too early to expect" does not hold water anymore.
TM must show better quality of football today.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ na dadash.

if I were that way, I'd never have maintained the Iran-Yugoslavia game to be one of Iran's top 3 TM games ever.

the thing is I value quality of football more than those numbers we see on the board.
coz those numbers dont reveal the pisspoor quality of our oppositions or how vulnerable and pathetic our defense or attacks have been ... coz evidently we have some savior in each game to carry the game for us, to cover all the negatives and failures & mistakes !

I fear you just dont like to hear those mistakes and failures brought up when one of your favorites is being questioned. and that's wrong. coz that's sweeping the dirt under the rug. we BETTER start acknowledging the shortcomings now.

all that forgetting and forgiving has resulted in the quality never improving.
if your kid goes on scraping though with 10's and 11's and if you dont force him to get better or improve , he'll go on getting 10's and 11's and sometimes even fail.
luck doesnt hold up forever.

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as for the #3, you cant be serious.
go back to the threads and posts BEFORE the game and see what was said.
mine has never been a hindsight comment.
days before the game I made those comments based on logic and nature.

and WHO exactly agreed that the starting line up was the best we had?
LOL


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#4: I have given no indication what my expectations and confidence in the team was. so I dont know how you came up with that.
but my expectations or whoever's doesnt change the FACT that we are behind by 2 points.
now, some may take it or some may not take it. the FACT remains that n korea, ksa ( and 100% s korea ) have got the 3 points of this fixture.

[maij]

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the thing is I value quality of football more than those numbers we see on the board.
coz those numbers dont reveal the pisspoor quality of our oppositions or how vulnerable and pathetic our defense or attacks have been ... coz evidently we have some savior in each game to carry the game for us, to cover all the negatives and failures & mistakes !

Oh , Yes Quality.

Sorry to brag about it , but you are talking to a lecturer of the subject of quality , who does it for a living and a also a personal advocate. Quality has many definitions and one of which is this :

Definition 3

Objective: Measurable and verifiable aspect of a thing or phenomenon, expressed in numbers or quantities, such as lightness or heaviness, thickness or thinness, softness or hardness.


While I admire your quest for quality , achieving set of personally defined quality measures is nothing short of a myth.

Also quality is measured to a set of standards like ISO , else it is subjective

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I fear you just dont like to hear those mistakes and failures brought up when one of your favorites is being questioned. and that's wrong. coz that's sweeping the dirt under the rug. we BETTER start acknowledging the shortcomings now.

Is that an intentional attempt to discredit me or is it the result of your insomnia?

Didn't I say that that performance was nothing to brag about? Where is the statement from me that said we have a perfect team with a perfect coach and demanding a perfect result?

I look at things with my own perspectives and analyze them within my own tools and sets of standards. Sure , I hear and read other views , but I don't necessarily have to agree with all of them. For instance , you have your likes or dislikes , that is never been a rule not a set of standards that the rest should follow.

I have no regrets to admit I have favorites , such as Team Melli and what is around it. I certainly don't understand anyone who does not have any favoritism towards any team while spending half his life on the web posting in football forums.

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all that forgetting and forgiving has resulted in the quality never improving.
if your kid goes on scraping though with 10's and 11's and if you dont force him to get better or improve , he'll go on getting 10's and 11's and sometimes even fail. luck doesnt hold up forever.

With the way you are going , any victory for Team Melli you will consider as lucky , and any defeat you will call justified. A no win situation , IMHO.

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as for the #3, you cant be serious.
go back to the threads and posts BEFORE the game and see what was said.mine has never been a hindsight comment.
days before the game I made those comments based on logic and nature.

and WHO exactly agreed that the starting line up was the best we had?
LOL

LOL... you can't be serious , Doc!!! Forget about who agreed that the starting line up was the best. Where is the decree that mentioned that Doctor Doom views are concrete and should be enforced for the benefit of Team Melli , else...!!

You can't be serious......Are you ???

The fact of the matter is that your views are like millions of others. It is NOTHING but that ...... views or opinions. If you think you are anything above that , then good luck to you.

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#4: I have given no indication what my expectations and confidence in the team was. so I dont know how you came up with that.
but my expectations or whoever's doesnt change the FACT that we are behind by 2 points.
now, some may take it or some may not take it. the FACT remains that n korea, ksa ( and 100% s korea ) have got the 3 points of this fixture.

It is an assumption of mine based on your history of continual criticsim with anything that moves in Team Melli. So what is this claim that you have given no indication of your expectations?

I was/am still wondering how come you suddenly think that this crap team with a feeble coach are two points behind ? we can do the arithmetic , just want to know how come you suddenly elevated your outlook of this team.

So , based on your expectations from this team that hardly does anything right , what would be the result against Korea in Azadi ? and if you tell me the score based on the line up , I might actually become a convert

[Hadi]

I have never agreed with Doctor Doom more than in this thread!

[shayan20]

"It was good to see we have not lost in an away match in worst day when opponent played above themselves. It is the sign of great team" the tactician said.

www.humanafazeli.com

[Doctor DOOM]

you know you've been extremely lucky for playing totally sh*t and allowing the opponent at least five 100% scoring opportunities !!

when your keeper ends up with this many one-on-ones & dangerous moments , you know you've f**ked up royally.



and we're supposed to give kudos and credit to whom?
the ONLY person deserving of kudos is rahmati.
so it's quite ridiculous to see ANYONE else getting even a whiff of credit for this game not ending up at 6-1 !
NO. BODY. ELSE.

ANYTHING else is pure "sweeping the dirt under the rug".