Who is worse than animal Mr. Ghotbi? (An open letter to a fake emperor)

[Mansoor]

Ok, Ali agha. Here it is. I must repeat that I am not trying to change your mind but rather clarify my writing. The article has left to people’s level of understanding and intelligence to make their own decisions. I neither have enough time nor it is my job to go into discussion with every individual to make sure he/she understands my points and sees the light.

I am going to start your post backward and with “character issues” or as you put it “Ghotbi’s personal life”.

I tell you sometimes this Ghotbi discussions turn more into a comedy than a serious talk. When his football aspect is discussed and how he is failing, his character is referenced. That how his personality have impacted our society (!) And how his character is setting example for others!? How this angel, this emperor “has conquered” our football with his great character and we should put up with everything he does. And when his character is discussed, then discussing his character has been diss and we must discuss his football aspect!

So what is it then? And why shouldn’t we discuss his character? Isn’t he turned into a “messiah” (as Agha Majid very well put it) by some of the same individuals? Don’t they put anything and everything down to keep him high? The very same strategy he uses when he fails, he has now preached for others to follow ...

Didn’t he bring up the “character issue” himself? Didn’t he attack journalists that “some of you do things that a human would not do to others and you are worse than animals”? Well how about you Mr. Ghotbi? The article clearly states that it is him who has brought up the issue of character and ethic and therefore, we will look at this issue to see who is more human and who is worse than animal according to his language.

You questioned journalists' characters and ethic and therefore drew into the conclusion that "they are not human and worse than animals"! Since you have crossed into questioning characters and ethic, and have gone further to label some of the journalists "to be worse than animal", is it fair to ask the same question from you about your character?

And I totally disagree that we shouldn’t look more closely into his character any how, not only to respond to him about “who is worse than animal” but also to learn more about his problems in his football side that seem to be of your interest. As you were wrong about presidential campaigns in US that DO look into characters (and there are candidates that were set to win the election according to the initial polls but later failed simply due to character and family issues e.g. Gary Hart), character is also part of a coach’s pre-req to succeed.

In particular, his character is the main reason so many people that work with him learn to dislike him. About 10 players along with the coaching staff and management from the championship team last season are gone, simply due to this character of him.

And the article brings that up with examples from his past, his family, co-workers, players, fans, etc. He is known by his players to be a back-stabber, “be marefat”, an opportunist, someone that would turn his back to very same people that help him so much, and that is a major problem particularly in a culture that cherishes loyalty.

A characteristic that makes him very unpopular among his players and eventually leads to loss of respect and interest to play for him. Look at his last words, and again how he is blaming others for his failure, this time his players in Saba match that were “mashkook”!? Look at his track record, from his country, to his family, his coaching staff, his managers, his players, and all the way to his fans and how he has always turned his back to them.

So, yes I will talk about his character and will bring up examples (and believe me there are more in his track record that I did not bring up) to see “who is worse than animal” that he has advocated. Why is it that so many that get to know him closely eventually develop this bad taste about him.

How many players running away from him or he complains about? One day is Sheis, then is Mamani, then is Vahedi, then is Aghaei, then is Kaabi, then is Estili, then is Marzban, then is Roudbarian, then is Nosrati, then is Tore, then is .... Baba, this many evils and one saint? When is it gonna hit?

I remember once a friend of mine said the majority of Iranian football fans are idiots. Of course I disagreed. I said those minority who are “not so bright” have a more aggressive voice and you hear them more often therefore they look like majority.

Look at our own forums for example. There are about 10-20 if not 50 out of thousands of members that continue to run around and defend their emperor with aggressive tone for his wrong doing. He has failed in football; no tactic, no game plan, no strategy, ugly football and certainly nothing international about his team. He has failed in his character and has even turned his back to his very own die hard fans. There are many “questions” left to be answered as I brought them up, but still they have followed his last “farman” left in his last letter, and they are looking for “hidden hands” (read goose chase), the management, some very bad person that is getting leaders to attack him, some ... This very bad Mansoor that keeps questioning him and dares to write against him despite a bubble like “hype” that eventually burst .... And this comedy will continue as there is not much hope for some and as they struggle with their own shortcoming but rather attach it to others ....

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About foreign players issue and details of negotiations: I did answer this already. We have totally different stand on this. You basically say that others have done so it is ok for him to do it and you approve. Well I don’t. We have to start from some where to stop this, and the fake emperor is a good place to start. I have encouraged people to ask questions. Start asking question from those in charge and start asking questions from yourself. Those with enough intelligence won’t need anything else.....

And no Ali agha, there is no law in United States for asking questions particularly from public figures by journalists ... Imagine the presidential press conference:
"Mr. president, is it true that ...."
President: I will sue you if you ask me this question.
"Mr. President, is it true that the other ...."
President: that's it. You are being sued as we speak ....

Movafagh bashin and good luck with this one

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Doostan, I won't have that much time to discuss this again. And certainly don't have time to jump from one branch to another branch and different threads to discuss this issue. Please use your own intelligence to understand or simply reject. With so much there already from the football games to his words to the point brought up here and discussed in details and from different perspective including "why I am interested in Ghotbi topic (!?)", if the matter still remains unclear, the chances are it will remain unclear ....

[Ali Chicago]

Ok, Ali agha. Here it is. I must repeat that I am not trying to change your mind but rather clarify my writing. The article has left to people’s level of understanding and intelligence to make their own decisions. I neither have enough time nor it is my job to go into discussion with every individual to make sure he/she understands my points and sees the light.

This is the last post I have in this thread regarding this issue just to clarify things.

I am a self delcared Taj and EsEs fan and have no love lost for Ghotbi. I dont' think he is the messaijah or he is the one that can do miracles in our football. I questioned the tactic you use and pointed out in your so called open letter, you brought up bunch of accusations without any proof.

First of all:
Over and over you insult me with the kind of stuff I bolded and it is fine. We show our own strips. I disagreed with your post and never questioned your level of undrestanding and intelligence. We really show our own strips, when we hear about a different opinion from ours. I don't expect much from 16 emotional 16 year olds in the main forum but from a middle age man of your stature expectation is higher. I never questioned your intellignce, so please dont' question mine.

How many players running away from him or he complains about? One day is Sheis, then is Mamani, then is Vahedi, then is Aghaei, then is Kaabi, then is Estili, then is Marzban, then is Roudbarian, then is Nosrati, then is Tore, then is .... Baba, this many evils and one saint? When is it gonna hit?

Amazing, you provide a list of players who are disgrantled with him and now that the man is gone and this is supposed to be a fact? Aftab aamad dalleel aftab!!!??

Mamani, Shays, Nikbakht are among the most contraversial players in our current football that at some point or another were disciplined by Ghotbil. Now you use them as a reason? !!!!

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About foreign players issue and details of negotiations: I did answer this already. We have totally different stand on this. You basically say that others have done so it is ok for him to do it and you approve. Well I don’t. We have to start from some where to stop this, and the fake emperor is a good place to start. I have encouraged people to ask questions. Start asking question from those in charge and start asking questions from yourself. Those with enough intelligence won’t need anything else.....

No, aziz, we don't have a different stand. I say you have no proof that Ghotbi benefited from Di Carmoo's transfer or Aranda's transfer. A good coach, hires a few good player for each post to deal with injury, or if nothing else creating positive competition among players. You have no proof but come here and claim he benefited directly or indirectly from these transfers and when I question "where is the proof"? you say we have a different standards.

And no Ali agha, there is no law in United States for asking questions particularly from public figures by journalists ... Imagine the presidential press conference:


"Mr. president, is it true that ...."
President: I will sue you if you ask me this question.
"Mr. President, is it true that the other ...."
President: that's it. You are being sued as we speak ....
Movafagh bashin and good luck with this one
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No, this last one is a master piece and really comical. This example at least is. I dare you to go and ask Goerge Bush that is it true that you were financially compensated, when Dick Chainy had that secret meeting couple of years ago with the heads of the Oil companies? I dare you to ask that. This is making accusations, not asking questions. Unless I have proof and can provide, Chevron sent this money to this swiss account, blah blah, you won't be able to ask that question. If you are "smart" enough to ask that, they you will be fired from your company in no time, since your company will be sued right away.
More importantly, if you have a reputation of making accusations (not asking questions), people won't give you interview in the first place. You could have come and said, there are merky areas in the transfer of DiCarmo or Aranda, and ask Mr. Ghotbi to clarify it, that would be asking questions. That is not what you did?

Let me give you an example. Right now there are implicit signs that you may have relations with X or Y who are currently in charge of TM. You may have financial or otherwise benefits from X or Y stay there. Does that give me the right to come and accuse you of anything? All I have is bunch of implicit signs. Until I have proof, if I come here and post something, it will be called slandering and potentially personal liability issues will follow.

One more time, this is my last post in this thread, I don't have any interest in Ghotbi per se. There are my posts that I made fun of calling him Emperror, and by the same token I laught at calling GN "general" or Parvin "Sultan". I dont' think Ghotbi is a god given gift to us. He came from outside where he worked and grew up in a different environment (comparatively much more professional than the atmosphere in Iran). That was a good thing IMO. For the first time, he didnt' blame refs for his losses (at least year at least), set a tough goal for PP and acheived it eventually, used motivation and a different literature in our football. These all were good things. This year, things didnt' go well. Chances of PP winning the cup two year in a a row is slim and it seemed he started to act "like Romans when he is in the Rome".

I am sure Ghotbi has shortcomings like any other human being. This letter of yours IMO (For what it worth) wasn't justified. I am sure a journalist (football knowledgable person) like you can point out much more serious stuff, rather than digging in his personal life and a bunch of accusations that one usually sees from "TABLOID SPORTS" in Iran. My personal expectation from someone of your caliber was and still is higher. Otherise there will be no difference between Mansoor Ansari and X and Y in Khabar Varzeshi or Iran Varzeshi. Despite our difference I consider you a professional and that is why I raised my concerns.

[zzgloo]

I appriciate the explanations given by Mansoor, as well as Ali jaan e khodeman's Objection to the way Mansoor has expressed his concerns regarding Ghotbi....


It is an important issue....and has many angles of interests....profesional,ethical,mafia,football view,fan view,etc,etc....
While I may not agree with attacking any one with charactor issues !!,and that line of writing or reasonings ,we can do without.......but, " The Elephant in the Room ",which can not be ignored is that :

1- Ghotbi has been given the highest opportunities possible !
2-Ghotbi been given money similar to top coaches in Europe, and defenetly far more than he will ever get !
3-Ghotbi was given the premiership,top Job in the land !
4-Ghotbi has been begged by so many to come back, including ,inoccent football loveing fans of Iran.
5-Ghotbi,knew from the beginings, what system he was going into.
6-Ghotbi answered all good wills,By insulting Iranian culture,and " Fakhr Forooshi ", by insulting & generalizing iranian media,and turning his back to millions of fans whom gave him thier Love,and " The Empire "!!


There may be questions , as if or should,Mansoor,attack Ghotbi's stand and qualifications,inside relations,partybazi,charctor,etc,etc........
I have not seen,with my own eyes, those mafia activities ,that Mansoor states he has seen and heard...........................

BUT;BETWEEN , GIVEING THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, to either Our MANSOOR or GHOTBI,whom ,now, has $million in his pocket,Iranian champinship cup in his record,and Nikname of Emperator , and millions of disappoited,offended fans ???? :

I CHOOSE MANSOOR !!

[perspolees]

pure nonesense and allegations of unknown origin except for th eso called LA cult that did not want for some reason ghotbi to succeed but he did!
the list of peope who have thanked you shows it all..
lol
good going! you are the pure example of how much of garbage can one write if given the power of sticky button and a tribune ( voila!)... baseless and on just speculation to ruin a man that to say the least taught how football coaches should talk in Iran!

[Hadi]

I agree that he is a fake emperor. A real emperor looks like this:



He is not an emperor, but the best coach Perspolis has had in the past decade.

[zzgloo]

pure nonesense and allegations of unknown origin except for th eso called LA cult that did not want for some reason ghotbi to succeed but he did!
the list of peope who have thanked you shows it all..
lol
good going! you are the pure example of how much of garbage can one write if given the power of sticky button and a tribune ( voila!)... baseless and on just speculation to ruin a man that to say the least taught how football coaches should talk in Iran!

I realy do not know why they let you in F+ ,and this is not your first time... ........., You need to work on your " Effate Kalam " !!

[maij]

pure nonesense and allegations of unknown origin except for th eso called LA cult that did not want for some reason ghotbi to succeed but he did!
the list of peope who have thanked you shows it all..
lol
good going! you are the pure example of how much of garbage can one write if given the power of sticky button and a tribune ( voila!)... baseless and on just speculation to ruin a man that to say the least taught how football coaches should talk in Iran!

If we go by track record , I would say that you are the classic example of how a person can utter pure garbage enough to pollute the whole of Georgia. Luckily , the people in Savannah don't read PFDC , you might very well be under chapter 11 by now.

If you only had a fraction of the manner and the etiquette of your beloved Ghotbi , who apart from anything else , at least knew how to respect friend and foe....if only!

[Ali Chicago]

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BUT;BETWEEN , GIVEING THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, to either Our MANSOOR or GHOTBI,whom ,now, has $million in his pocket,Iranian champinship cup in his record,and Nikname of Emperator , and millions of disappoited,offended fans ???? :
I CHOOSE MANSOOR !!

I promised don't write anymore in this thread, but I promise to keep it short, it is not about Ghotbi and Mansoor, It is about the tactics and techniques one uses to argue his point. It is about the process and methods do you follow?

I can come and argue aginat your point here based on your post only. If I go and claim you were a dalal (without any proof, merely because I beleive so) or you have extramartial affairs or not or you stay married or just lived in with a girl, why you didn't go to Iran X number of years. That is not arguing my point. That is merely using unfair tactics.

IRI used the slandering tactics (of course in larger scale) when they arrested people. They brought Mahdi Hashemi to so called "confess" about his crimes and eventually executed him. The brought Saidi Sirjani to so called "confess" about being a Teryaqi addict or even they made him to confess to Lavat. Personal aspects of people's life was used to argue against their point of view. They didn't argue against Hashemi, Montazeri or Saidi Sirjani point of view.

Had Mansoor, wrote an open letter how there were no tactical variety in PP under Ghotbi and criticized him about that, I would have been the first one to agree with him. The tactic he used is the issue not Mansoor or Ghotbi's integrity or personal merits or dismerits.

[perspolees]

I realy do not know why they let you in F+ ,and this is not your first time... ........., You need to work on your " Effate Kalam " !!

I think people that are like yourself blindfolded should not be allowed
this is your zillionist time
please be kind and show me what part goes against effate kalam!!?
maybe in your arabic dictionary you could site what that means...

[perspolees]

If we go by track record , I would say that you are the classic example of how a person can utter pure garbage enough to pollute the whole of Georgia. Luckily , the people in Savannah don't read PFDC , you might very well be under chapter 11 by now.

If you only had a fraction of the manner and the etiquette of your beloved Ghotbi , who apart from anything else , at least knew how to respect friend and foe....if only!

I bring you the nonesense garbage supporter as well to challenge which part is out of ettiquette?
this is an open letter calling people animals!
this is a criticism of or say challenge of opinions and I have expressed it as such
what is the BS that you are talking about georgia, etc!?
Is it just I go against your thoughts and beliefs? you should have the gray matter between your ears to match your age to be able to talk and exchjaange thoughts before labeling people
was it the nonesense word that I used? or was it the pure speculation part that you did not like?

I am sick of people that lack logic yet are capable of attacking people and just naming them this or that

[shayan20]

I realy do not know why they let you in F+ ,and this is not your first time... ........., You need to work on your " Effate Kalam " !!

Mansoor spends his time investigating the issue and writing articles about it for us, yet some people are so disrespectful(namak nashnas) and jump in, bringing their emotional and biased idea forward, not to mention labeling the article as "garbage".

Now you tell me, is the article by Mansoor garbage or the post by "perspolees"?

[perspolees]

garbage is anything that has and smells speculation yet very vindictive>
all of you people have your own agendas and colors, if not then you would be able to talk logic rather than just babble or name attack or put labels

exchange of thought requires gray matter in the brain and open mind to see and learn...

[perspolees]

...and theres always that button you can use to just ban people without justification...

[Mansoor]

Doostan, I am sorry for late reply as I was out of town. My involvement in multiple affairs often prohibits me to respond faster. Any how, there are a few important issues noticed here that I will address once I review the writings more closely.

Meanwhile, I have to also quicly address an issue that is growing gradually like a cancer as it has in regular forum with immature postings. I am asking "Hadi" and "Perspolees" to avoid posting immature contents in F+. Consider this your first and last warning, or we will take your posting priviliges in F+ forum and direct you to more relaxed forum for immature postings.

F+ was founded to maintain high quality and to stay free from such behavior. In particular, I am very disappointed for the direction our own PFDC staff Hadi that is intended to represent PFDC, has taken for the past year from a very mature personality that I respected and cherrised, to an immature poster with often one liners and foul languages.

Please avoid posting in this thread as it is intended for more serious and mature discussion, and reconsider your way of posting.

More posts on the original subject of the thread will follow soon, perhaps within a day or so.

[maij]

I bring you the nonesense garbage supporter as well to challenge which part is out of ettiquette?

The whole lot of your talk is out of etiquette (and this is the right spelling of the word)

I have my differences with many members here, we have exchanged words sometimes even heated exchanges , but none of these respected members have exceeded the bound of decency nor the etiquette , a word you neither understand nor can spell.

Now I appreciate the true value of people like Bahram , Ali and Peyman.

this is an open letter calling people animals!
this is a criticism of or say challenge of opinions and I have expressed it as such what is the BS that you are talking about georgia, etc!?

Obviously your English comprehension is not that great.

Is it just I go against your thoughts and beliefs? you should have the gray matter between your ears to match your age to be able to talk and exchjaange thoughts before labeling people
was it the nonesense word that I used? or was it the pure speculation part that you did not like?

I careless if you agree with my thoughts or don't. It is your manner of expression that needs annual maintenance or overhaul. And.... I doubt even going through that process , it will ever be of any use.

You have nothing but contempt for the rest of the members , specially those who don't agree with you. Your biggest contribution on these boards is nothing but "Shistaeeha ....Perspolis sarvar esteghlale " , you think that by shouting louder , cursing , ridiculing everthing and everyone in the homeland , you can impose the law of the jungle in this respetful forum.

Enough of this crap......You can not communicate with people and that has been obvious for years to end.

I am sick of people that lack logic yet are capable of attacking people and just naming them this or that

ooooohhhhhh....someone has upset you.

A touch of your own medince , does really work....