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    Iran - China (friendly at azadi)

    Nothing much to write about as it was just a test game, except a few points:

    1- I dont know why some coaches tend to go with fame/name than a player's actual and regular post. I could never understand it. So to me playing guys like Khalatbari on the left side doesnt make much sense when we have a player BETTER SUITEDfor the job: Hajsafi.

    Not to take away anything from khalatbari, the player. he's in top form these days and is a very good talent. But that doesnt mean we shd overlook the duties of a post and merely put a star performer in it and expect him to deliver.

    I think Hajsafi, who is far more familiar with the left mid post could have served the team better. khalatbari could have been used in bagheri's post behind the strikers where he seems to have flourished. Along the line, he didnt do much. but when he came to the middle was when he was most dangerous.


    I have to say the same with using gholamnejad as the right mid.
    the guy is a good enough right back. but as the right mid, he didnt show anything worthy of mentioning.
    I'd have liked to see Heidari given the chance as the right mid. coz in those short minutes he arrived, he showed good sense and service and crossing. gholamnejad played like a defender who was forced to play up !!
    he never convinced me at the RM.

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    2- which brings me to point #2:
    I think DAEI HATES WIDTH !!
    I dont know why. especially for a player who scored most of his goals being fed from wide plays and players !!!
    our right and left midfielders hardly played wide and hardly stretched the chinese & crossed from side lines.
    only after hajsafi and heidari came in we saw a little more wide plays. until then, both khalatbari and gholamnejad showed width only on the half-line and as they moved up, they converged to the middle rather than pushing up the line and opening up the defensive wall!
    that makes defending against such tactics easier for the opponents.

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    3- which connects to point #3:
    poor Seyed Salehi isnt being used well. he isnt getting good service from our wide players and his aerial ability is getting totally wasted.
    dont hold ur breath for VH to do anything at TM either, if this is the state of our wide plays.

    Salehi seems very active and energetic. he sets up ppl well and could have had 2 goal-assists in the 25 minutes he came on.
    I'd use him better and feed him more crosses.

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    4- which naturally arrives at the next point, "feeding".
    something that Rezaei shd learn to do more. he shd be told to pass more and not try everything on his own.
    there were a few incidents where he could have & shd have passed the ball in our attack & he didnt and resorted to unnecessary dribble or shot as hamid jan mentioned in general forum also.

    rezaei just wastes his pace and runs with his final decisions!

    btw, that was less a penalty that we'd like to admit. I bet at least half the refs wouldnt have called that a penalty.

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    5- Nouri showed promise and was satisfactory. fluctuated in the course of the game, but stayed above average.
    But I still put guys like jabbari, navidkia, karimi, ... above him as playmakers.

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    6- I really like bagheri's goal which was borne out of experience and nothing else.
    the chinese were young as were most of our lads.
    his quick take on the FK was what is needed at int'l stage where a wise man can make use of all chances that are given to him in the course of a game.
    we shd do that more often.

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    7- both our central def's ought to be told not to lob the ball. both do it and the ball goes astray! but it is not entirely their fault as our central mids and def mids ought to get closer to them and receive the balls from them and distribute.


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    8- Ashjari played yet another convincing game.
    he marked well. he intercepted very well and had only 2 turn-overs ( one in each half ), which is 10 times better than zareh's usual stats at LB.
    he also assisted a goal and provided an option for our FK's from the right side which is another plus.
    he attacked more and is slowly finding his footing in int'l stage. more daring and more confidence.

    In all fairness we shd say he has consolidated his spot at LB in the past 3 games and ought to be preferred to zareh for further TM games.

    ( dont like to say I told you so, but I always say "nothing ventured, nothing gained". this is a clear testament to that saying )

    as for poor sattar zareh, I think his turn-over which led to the chinese goal just makes the writing on the wall even more vivid.

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    9- and finally, I must say in yet another game, Rahmati is the factor which prevents a 3-4 goal loss to a win for us.
    it is quite alarming and worrisome.
    defense needs more strategy and working along w def-mids.

    #2
    I missed the game, can anyone else comment on the overall performance of the team?
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

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      #3
      we scored on 3 set pieces.

      TM still lacks offensive flow and creativity.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Hadi View Post
        we scored on 3 set pieces.

        TM still lacks offensive flow and creativity.
        very true.

        also:
        - the first half was better than the 2nd.
        - borhani apart from scoring the goal was pretty much useless. so what's new?
        - rahmati saved 3 almost-100% chances ..... once again !
        - Bagheri didnt impress at all, apart from his quickly taken kick/goal. I'm still not convinced why he shd be included in TM.

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          #5
          Hajsafi had plenty of chances in TM and barely ever knew to convince, Khalatbari is not only great in the league but also was quite impressive in his recent TM appearances. Especially against Galicia he was a constant threat to the defenseand he had decisive impacts against China (pass leading to a pk) and Galicia (goal) and logically he got a chance. I don't think he used it though and think Madanchi will start against Singapore.

          Gholamnejad is a good player, I am becoming a fan of him. I also think he is good for RM, which is his natural position actually.

          This out of position problem is created by some. It's no big deal that players like Shojaei or Khalatbari can be used as left or right winger or as central offensive player behind one or two real strikers. Some players like Mahdavikia or Kaebi are uncomfortable on the left, others are not. This is quite common, so thinking Khalatbari as leftwinger would be nonsense just because his right foot is stronger is not really logical.

          What your problem with Shojaei as winger or side midfielder is, is a mystery to me as well. The second Spanish coach in a row is using him as RM and LM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Martin-Reza View Post
            Hajsafi had plenty of chances in TM and barely ever knew to convince, Khalatbari is not only great in the league but also was quite impressive in his recent TM appearances. Especially against Galicia he was a constant threat to the defenseand he had decisive impacts against China (pass leading to a pk) and Galicia (goal) and logically he got a chance. I don't think he used it though and think Madanchi will start against Singapore.
            very nice observation, totally agreed!
            khalatbari in the fewer chances he has got has been more convincing that hajisafi in TM. hajisafi has been doing great in sepahan though..
            Originally posted by siavasharian
            ESTEGHLAL:

            بهترین خط دفاع.بهترین خط حمله.ثبت رکورد بیشترین گل زده.پر امتیاز ترین تیم ادوار لیگ برتر با ۴۰۹ امتیاز.پر افتخار ترین مربی لیگ برتر با دو قهرمانی
            بهترین گلزن لیگ: آرش برهانی [استقلال] با ۲۱ گل زدهبهترین خط حمله: استقلال تهران با ۷۰ گل زده

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              #7
              khalatbari has played well and shone when he's drifted to the center.
              even his galacia goal was when he made his run in the zone where an offensive mid or a right mid makes, went into the box from the extreme right side and scored the goal.

              now, why shd a left mid appear there, when there was no switch between him and the RM ? that means he'd left the left side "be amaan-e khoda" !
              if nobody sees something wrong with this, then there isnt anything to discuss.
              It's a different thing that we dont get punished for such lax plays. But we shd NOT close our eyes to such facts and pretend it's all ok, just becoz the player is a star player or we didnt get punished immediately.

              as I said earlier, whatever impressive plays he has done has been as an offensive mid ( like the examples you all have mentioned ). we can play him as OM . that would suit him best.
              but to play a star player in any post and expect to deliver is quite naive.


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              and personally I wouldnt rate any right or left mid who doesnt do much along the lines especially in the opponent's 1/3.
              neither khalatbari nor gholamnejad have done anything worth mentioning in those zones.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Martin-Reza View Post
                Hajsafi had plenty of chances in TM and barely ever knew to convince, Khalatbari is not only great in the league but also was quite impressive in his recent TM appearances. Especially against Galicia he was a constant threat to the defenseand he had decisive impacts against China (pass leading to a pk) and Galicia (goal) and logically he got a chance. I don't think he used it though and think Madanchi will start against Singapore.
                Agree about Khalatbari over Hajsafi (for now - we'll see how Hajsafi develops), but I still don't see why everyone rates Madanchi. Surely picking Madanchi over Khalatbari is more a case of picking the star player just because of the name

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by yashar_fasihnia View Post
                  very nice observation, totally agreed!
                  khalatbari in the fewer chances he has got has been more convincing that hajisafi in TM. hajisafi has been doing great in sepahan though..
                  Originally posted by zereshk-ali View Post
                  Agree about Khalatbari over Hajsafi (for now - we'll see how Hajsafi develops), but I still don't see why everyone rates Madanchi. Surely picking Madanchi over Khalatbari is more a case of picking the star player just because of the name
                  Yes, that's the point. As Ali pointed out of course Hajsafi is very young and will still develop, but against China it was logical Khalatbari got the chance.

                  Hajsafi indeed is impressive in the league, but Khalatbari's 8 goals and 6 assists currently beat Hajsafi's 4 goals and 3 assists. Of course that is only a part of the story as it doesn't fully describe the whoe performance and also the positions are different. Yet I think barely anyone could doubt that Khalatbari surely didn't have a worse season than Hajsafi so far.

                  Madanchi, well, you know what you get there. He has a certain consistency and is more experienced internationally. When Madanchi gets in I roughly know what will be coming, he barely ever is invisible. His quality is not sufficient that his position would be unchallenged of course. That Shojaei was moved to the left shows that he is not a fixed player.

                  @ DD, there is nothing bad about drifting to center, many coaches value that because so the players create more danger through shots. This only works if you have a leftback who comes forward to keep the width and other offensive players who also help on the wings, like G. Rezaei or M. Nouri do.

                  I think on the right it works well with Kaebi, Gholamnejad or also K. Heydari as defender. Due to their runs the RM can go to center more often. Ashjari is not coming forward enough yet, Zare did, but barely knew what do do upfront. G. Rezaei is playing an important role here though.

                  Let's also not forget that there is no OM position currently. We have a DM and a CM (Bagheri or Nouri) and 2 strikers. If you want to create an OM position you would have to sacrifice G. Rezaei, which Daei won't do - unless he has to, like against South Korea when Rezaei will be suspended.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Martin-Reza View Post
                    Hajsafi indeed is impressive in the league, but Khalatbari's 8 goals and 6 assists currently beat Hajsafi's 4 goals and 3 assists.
                    typical !
                    stick to a portion of the truth.. and pretend that explains the problem!!!
                    LOL if only reality was so simple.

                    first, they dont play the same positions.
                    so it is quite naive to do what I always say; X plays great ( in post A ), so we shd prefer him to Y ( for position B - not A ) !!!
                    ridiculous !


                    and yes, there is a problem if the flank midfielder either leaves his spot free ( without switching with the other flank's player ) or doesnt know how to defend. that exposes the flanks to opponents' attacks & counters.
                    even more naive is expecting the whole flank to be manned by ONE man, the defender... as you prescribed. if the defender moves up to fill for the missing khalatbari, wouldnt that expose the area behind him to even more dangerous opportunities to the opponent's runners ??

                    now, it is one thing that becoz we havent really faced any tough opposition so far who would utilize this against us. but that doesnt mean we're doing something right. coz we are definitely not.
                    it's just that we've been lucky we havent been hurt by this loose and lax attitude about our arrangements and criteria for each post.

                    much like ppl thinking becoz we dont concede 4-5 goals every game, our team has been playing well !!!!
                    we've been lucky to have a keeper who prevents the screw ups of the whole team from resulting in goals.
                    but the thing with lady luck is she is never going to stay with anyone permanently. once she leaves, then all our shortcomings and deficiencies will turn to horrible disasters due to repeated neglect or irrational defense of indefensible!




                    basically, the difference between us is that I'm looking for balance within the team. and I wouldnt care if a star player or two have to sit on the bench as long as the team is well balanced on all posts. but some ppl (daei included ) want the most famous and number of star players in their team ... even if they are placed in wrong posts.

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                      #11
                      ^ Is it intentional that you cut off the rest of the paragrapgh in the quote and then tell me exactly the same thing I wrote in the part you cut off?

                      Originally posted by Martin-Reza View Post
                      Hajsafi indeed is impressive in the league, but Khalatbari's 8 goals and 6 assists currently beat Hajsafi's 4 goals and 3 assists. Of course that is only a part of the story as it doesn't fully describe the whole performance and also the positions are different. Yet I think barely anyone could doubt that Khalatbari surely didn't have a worse season than Hajsafi so far.
                      Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post
                      typical !
                      stick to a portion of the truth.. and pretend that explains the problem!!!
                      LOL if only reality was so simple.
                      first, they dont play the same positions.
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                      Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post
                      if the defender moves up to fill for the missing khalatbari, wouldnt that expose the area behind him to even more dangerous opportunities to the opponent's runners ??
                      That's football my friend. If the defenders only stay behind, and the strikers don't defend, it wouldn't work.
                      Last edited by Martin-Reza; 01-11-2009, 10:32 AM.

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                        #12
                        no, that may be "seen" in football, but that doesnt make it good football.

                        Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post
                        and yes, there is a problem if the flank midfielder either leaves his spot free ( without switching with the other flank's player ) or doesnt know how to defend. that exposes the flanks to opponents' attacks & counters.

                        even more naive is expecting the whole flank to be manned by ONE man, the defender... as you prescribed. if the defender moves up to fill for the missing khalatbari, wouldnt that expose the area behind him to even more dangerous opportunities to the opponent's runners ??
                        football games indeed have dumb moves in them that turn out to be weaknesses and mistakes by the team/player/coach/....

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