Iran-S.Korea:The game analysis

[Dubxl152]

Nothing left to say that hasnt been said. DD jan great analysis. couldnt agree more. Our coach has tons of balls when he's dealing with reporters but when in comes to making subs or pulling a legend like bagheri out of the game when he is clearly ineffective he turns into jello va taroo mikone.

Really disappointing, lack of tactics, wasted subs, poor lineup to begin with and lack of cajones.

[BehzadB]

without going into much details, I think TM played a decent game today. They did better than I thought they would. I am a little bit surprised with the level of frustration that I see on the boards..

I think the German coach is slowly showing his influence on the team.
Daie is a young coach and , like most Iranians, a bit Lajbaz (i.e, in Bagheri's case).
Daie's Subs were Poor, and I am putting it mildly

as long as hashemian is touching the ball outside the box, we are under utilizing him.. he is a classic center forward and he was licking his chops all game long for a few good cross balls, but none gone to him (very few crosses made it to the box today, horrible job by Shojaie).. I think Vh did very well considering all he got was long passes from Jalal Hosseini or Khalatbari to the corner of the field..

the rainy condition affected the game a lot more than we might think.. lots of slip ups because of the wet grass/ball

Shojaie killed a few counters today with his poor decision making and selfish style of play

We played a very good South Korea team today and splitting points with them is not a bad thing.. We knew that we have to beat KSA before this tournament started, and we still have to beat KSA in Tehran and UAE in Tehran.. We are not going to beat South Korea in Korea.. a draw at North Korea, will get us to the WC IF we take care of the Arabs at home..



my 2 cents;

Over all, we had a good game, not perfect though. No surprises, no major mistakes. Our left side is active, thanks to Khalatbari who was one of our best today and maybe one of our best left mid in years. Kazemi showed he has nothing shorter than mighty Nekonam, which is very good news for us. Kaebi is still fighter and can run up and down in the whole game. Rahmati is our confidence in the net.
We showed that we are organized, we have plan for counters, we have also plan for the opponent counters, we know how to run the ball in the flanks, we understand the coverage in offence and defence.
However, we showed that our coach is still rookie, his first change could have been different to keep the ball possession rather than stronger in the 50/50 balls (the difference between Shojaei and Bagheri). We also relied too much on the long balls for Bagheri and Vahid to get the rebounds for our technical mid’s. This was not the right idea after we were ahead, we needed a runner to keep the Korean defence on their heels and push them back. I think we could have changed Vahid with Borhani when we were ahead.
Hope he learns from his mistake.
Still, we are pretty alive and running.
Cheers,

Fair analysis..

[Doctor DOOM]

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like most Iranians, a bit Lajbaz (i.e, in Bagheri's case).
Daie's Subs were Poor, and I am putting it mildly


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as long as hashemian is touching the ball outside the box, we are under utilizing him.. he is a classic center forward and


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he was licking his chops all game long for a few good cross balls, but none gone to him (very few crosses made it to the box today, horrible job by Shojaie)..

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I think Vh did very well considering all he got was long passes from Jalal Hosseini or Khalatbari to the corner of the field..

Going by the above, one would be forgiven to ask whatever did you mean by :

... I think TM played a decent game today. They did better than I thought they would. ...

did you expect us to fall dead and concede 8 goals that enumerating only A FEW ( of many ) problems at TM made you say you were positive about the team's performance ?????
I admit TM has been playing badly these recent times, but ...

[BehzadB]

Going by the above, one would be forgiven to ask whatever did you mean by :

Originally Posted by BehzadB View Post
... I think TM played a decent game today. They did better than I thought they would. ...

well, a team can perform decent against another team, even though they are bad at crossing the ball for example, or other things.. decent game don't mean they played great or perfect..

did you expect us to fall dead and concede 8 goals that enumerating only A FEW ( of many ) problems at TM made you say you were positive about the team's performance ?????
I admit TM has been playing badly these recent times, but ...

I am not sure what you mean there with that question (" enumerating..... performance ????? ")

but no I didn't expect us to fall dead and concede 8 goals, but looking back at the way he had played against UAE and KSA and North korea, and considering the fact that this Korean team is one of their best in recent memory.. and that they finally beat KSA in KSA and they had their sight on doing the same in Iran.. I thought we'll lose the game 2-0 or 3-1..

but regardless of what the final score could have been or should have been, when I look at the game, I see that with a exception of a couple of plays, Koreans didn't have any chances in our box, and If memory serves me well, defense was one huge area of concern up until yesterday..

We can't just expect the other team's players to be weaker than our players..

[The-Red]

Great points already mentioned, and not much needs to be said really, but just to put my two cents which might not even be worth that much, sorry to say but I saw 11 individual players on the field playing against a TEAM in red, if that wasn't the case, I really need to see more games and improve my knowledge on the game, although I must add, the players who were wearing white today played their asses off and played harder, I thought, but the other TEAM seemed to have a strategy for every 15-20 min of the game...don't know,,,maybe I just think that grass is greener on the otherside, which if is the case, it either is much greener, or I am blind.

[KasraKhan]

I think it was Rottemoller who wanted Kazemi's inclusion in the team, and it paid off.

I was very skeptical about both Kazemi and Khalatbari starting in this important game, but they were the 2 best Iranian players on the pitch. Go figure. I was wrong and I credit Rottemoller.

Think about it, all of the matches Daei was head coach of TM, he did not even use Kazemi or call him up one time to TM. Daei's choice for defensive midfield was K.Rahmati or M. Zareh. Now out of no where, he comes and starts Kazemi while Kazemi has played ZERO friendlies for TM. I am sure it was all Rotte's idea.

[Hajagha]

I think it was Rottemoller who wanted Kazemi's inclusion in the team, and it paid off.
I was very skeptical about both Kazemi and Khalatbari starting in this important game, but they were the 2 best Iranian players on the pitch. Go figure. I was wrong and I credit Rottemoller.
Think about it, all of the matches Daei was head coach of TM, he did not even use Kazemi or call him up one time to TM. Daei's choice for defensive midfield was K.Rahmati or M. Zareh. Now out of no where, he comes and starts Kazemi while Kazemi has played ZERO friendlies for TM. I am sure it was all Rotte's idea.

Good point. kazemi was doing so good in EsEs though. He was invited and played a bit in TM, but crossed off recently. Anyway, I think he and Nekonam can be the center mid even in 4-4-2.

[Hajagha]

...considering the fact that this Korean team is one of their best in recent memory.. and that they finally beat KSA in KSA and they had their sight on doing the same in Iran...

...and the way we handled them between minute 60 to 80, you could predict, if this game goes for hours they can not score. I watched the game twice, they couldn't enter to our 18 yard box eventhough they had all the possision... They were flat after the goal, we had the opportuinty to kill the game by introducing faster forwards.

Well, we didn't and I undrestand why, we played concervative and it didn't pay off.

[Hajagha]

[/U] I thought, but the other TEAM seemed to have a strategy for every 15-20 min of the game...don't know,,,maybe I just think that grass is greener on the otherside...

They didn't have any strategy, they played whenever we let them play. I encourage you to watch the game between minute 60 to 80, if they had any strategy, they should have implemented since they were behind. They got lucky for one foul outside of the box and they were luckier our D slept for 2 sec's.

That's it.

[Hajagha]

Simplified analysis :
3-Again and again, we see TM's engin has , many spark plugs not adjusted , and has no tune-ups !,and the head gaskket is leaking !!,and No steering wheel apparent !

That was one heck of the super-analysis.

[Hajagha]

I hope I dont have to write more on this

Nop, as I said, you know football in my book. Those were my 2 cents and I don't claim my thought is bible. I had no intention to offend you, if I did, I am sorry for that.

cheers

[Doctor DOOM]

Having said all that about OUR team, I must add a note about the ref also.

It is my belief that the ref wasnt very impartial or fair.
IF the foul on kazemi ( penalty ) was dismissed so easily , which perhaps slightly more than half the refs ( about 55% ) would have called it, then bagheri's foul ( korea's goal ) shd have also been dismissed.

Bagheri's was a very soft foul and I've seen many refs wave it.
I'm not thrilled about his judgments in the game.

[maij]

Majid jan, you can't get into the water and not getting wet. This guy is a fighter and I agree with you he is and will be the main suspect to be red-carded in any minute.

From my own expereince, the few minutes of the game, oponents usualy show each other "who's dady". ...and Kaebi is the one rulling any oponent. I think any team needs a "hit-man", like Gusso in Italy.

Remember, in UAE game? When Esmaeil Matar had a bad tackle on one of our player, it was Kaebi who came and told him "kh'aret Ga--eidas kid".

I think you meanGennaro Gattuso, Reza jan.

There is a distinct and fundamental difference between Kaebi an the likes of Gatusso or Gentile. These classical Italian defenders , mark and suffocate their opponets to a degree of using rough tehniques without hardly being spoken to by the referee or getting a yellow card.

Our man Kaebi , has a yellow cards falling out of his ears , and does stupid things like trying a Kung Fu on his oppnents , obvious tackles from behind that a one eyed referee cannot miss and worst of all , many of the fouls that he gets a yellow card for are needless and not crucial.

I am afraid the difference between the Gatusso's / Gentile's of this world and players like Kaebi , is like the difference between North Pole and the equator....there is simply no compariosn whatsoever......

Trust me if we had players in the calss of Gatusso...... we would have been in a much better shape.

[zzgloo]

All my fellow F+ comrads are intelegent people....and can easyly read in to lines, and find on thier own what some one is saying between the lines.....

I have two statements from both coaches..which I write " code on code ", and like my fellow members,to tell me what they think they realy meant !!!!!
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The Korean coach,( Whom normaly contrary to Daei is very reserved and conservative in his comments ) ;said :
" I am very disappointed we did not get the three points !!! "
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And our coach Ali Daei,( whom is ,shall we say,not conservative ) ,;Said :
" I appreciate all the fans who came and cheered for us, and I hope They would come and do the same ,on our next match " !!!
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[zzgloo]

They didn't have any strategy, they played whenever we let them play. I encourage you to watch the game between minute 60 to 80, if they had any strategy, they should have implemented since they were behind. They got lucky for one foul outside of the box and they were luckier our D slept for 2 sec's.
That's it.

God Bless you Haji jaan.....
I think they did have a strategy, but a wrong one.....After 30 minutes of the game, they realized,thier initial strategy , had over estimated TM ,and had to finish the game with a make shift new strategy........That was why, Thier coach, whom had previously been content with a tie, ended his post game interview by regreting he did not get the three points......