Central defense

[Hajagha]

Rezaei played in Italy for 6 years and is physical still very fit, I have no doubts that he is far better than Aghili.

Then, what's your opinion about him being the least favourite by his own coach in PP when he was subb'ed out in the darby? You know, they had two other options to pull out and inject a forward.

I guess you read too many of Peyman (DD)'s posts recently.

[Hajagha]

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Martin Jan...Team Melli has used 64 different players in 2008....SIXTY FOUR...if that is not a world record, then it has to be close to it for a number of players for a national team in one season/year.

Says it all.

We gotta expression in Farsi "I say it's male, he asks to milk it."...man mi-gam nareh, migeh bedooshesh."

baba joon, there is no talent left behind the door, accept the truth and move on.

[Martin-Reza]

Then, what's your opinion about him being the least favourite by his own coach in PP when he was subb'ed out in the darby? You know, they had two other options to pull out and inject a forward.
I guess you read too many of Peyman (DD)'s posts recently.

I was very much surprised about this, the other 2 central defenders did very bad afterwards in the fourback, also Mojtaba Shiri hadn't put pressure on Jabbari earlier when Jabbari scored while Rahman was pretty much flawless. Rahman also was extremely pissed, he immediately went into the cabin. But that is no reason to assume Rahman would be worse than the other defenders. Why was Nekounam ousted at Al Wahda, why was Talebloo preferred over Rahmati at Esteghlal, etc. And this was only one game, it's not like he was kicked out or lost his spot completely, which also wouldn't mean much as many examples show.

[shayan20]

Martin jan I think you are incorrectly comparing Rezaei's performance in PP against weaker IPl sides with Aghili's performance in important WCQ games against much tougher teams.

To me, having watched Aghili many times, his 2 main weaknesses are his speed and aimless long balls.
But I dont see how Rahman is any better than Aghili and how he could solve this problem?!
Doesn't Rahman lack speed too? and doesn't Rahman also sends a lot of long balls?

I have not watched a single match of Nosrati since he left PP so I can't jodge him but to me he is one to watch out for since he's got the abilities and experience with TM.

I believe switching the CBs right now in the middle of WCQ games is a huge risk that could backfire, It is a long term project like Majid beauitully put it.
also agreeing with Hajagha, that this is what we have, we have to live with it.

Aghili, Hosseini, are currently top 2 defender in IPL no doubt who have played with each other for quiet a while now and only need to coordinate their movement and sync with each other.

Some players that I think should be given a chance in friendlies are: Montazeri, Shakoori, Ghorbani, Bengar.
PS. Best defense in the league belongs to SS, so its not surprising to try out their defenders.

[Doctor DOOM]

haha...there we go, now we have given doctor peyman one more reason to complain about Daei

LOL
I "raise issues" . I dont complain.
and besides, are you saying there are no personal stuff involved in any of these selections ... honestly?
... and kazemian, mobaali, .... are in so bad a form that we have to bring in the likes of sadeghi, zareh, g-nejad, ando, .... for the RM ?

[yashar_fasihnia]

LOL
I "raise issues" . I dont complain.
and besides, are you saying there are no personal stuff involved in any of these selections ... honestly?
... and kazemian, mobaali, .... are in so bad a form that we have to bring in the likes of sadeghi, zareh, g-nejad, ando, .... for the RM ?

i personally think kazemian should be part of TM, and mobali, im not his biggest fan but in the absence of a retired karimi, injury returning jabbari's and navidkia's and a bagheri who should retire from TM, mobali could be part of the final squad although we still have shojaei, nouri and zandi...

[zzgloo]

I think three players could help TM Big time....and are missing links !!

( Rahman.........Navdkia........Khalili )

1- Central deffense,has been tried offen enough...and we keep hopeing it gets better, but TM seem to not want to admit,it lacks experince ,and areal superiorities,and muscle ....

2-Midfield, lacks, distributing elements,specialy toward , right down the middle.

3-Forwards , assuming there will be down the middle ball distribution, we need a player who lift weight off of VH,and free him ,as well as another heading threat.

[Kasra.]

I believe switching the CBs right now in the middle of WCQ games is a huge risk that could backfire, It is a long term project like Majid beauitully put it.
also agreeing with Hajagha, that this is what we have, we have to live with it.

Aghili, Hosseini, are currently top 2 defender in IPL no doubt who have played with each other for quiet a while now and only need to coordinate their movement and sync with each other.

Some players that I think should be given a chance in friendlies are: Montazeri, Shakoori, Ghorbani, Bengar.
PS. Best defense in the league belongs to SS, so its not surprising to try out their defenders.

Actually I believe not switching the CBs will backfire us. Why? Because we are used to getting scored in the last few minutes of the game and having two defenders who play "zire toopi" all the time will lead useless and preventable loss of possesion whichi will kill us, like it did with SK. It will harm us more and more with every game we play.

Aghili and Hosseini might be the top 2 defenders in IPL, they have been training for quite a while now, but their problem isn't their coordination and movement but its their style of play. It's similar to eachother and for the same reason ppl say that 2 forwards of the same type should not play next to eachother, 2 defenders of the same type should not play next to eachother either.

For now, the best combination is Hosseini - Montazeri with Aghili as a sub. Hosseini is one head and shoulders above Aghili IMO. Montazeri is quite fast and knows how to build up. By the way, if I'm not mistaking Montazeri and Hosseini have played next to eachother for 1-2 years when TM Omid had qualifying games, so they know eachothers style of playing a lil bit, so their teamwork and synchronization will take less time.

[mehdy]

For now, the best combination is Hosseini - Montazeri with Aghili as a sub. Hosseini is one head and shoulders above Aghili IMO. Montazeri is quite fast and knows how to build up. By the way, if I'm not mistaking Montazeri and Hosseini have played next to eachother for 1-2 years when TM Omid had qualifying games, so they know eachothers style of playing a lil bit, so their teamwork and synchronization will take less time.

Yeah,Omid coach,Rene Simonez used Hosseini and Sheys duo as central defense at first,then he replaced Sheys with Montazeri during DOHA asian games.

vs Maldives

-------------Roudbarian
Arzani---Sheys----Hosseini----Akbari
----------------M.Zareh
-------M.Nouri
----Heydari---------------Yavarzadeh
----------Oladi------Borhani

vs China

-------------Roudbarian
Arzani---Montazeri----Hosseini----Akbari
----------------M.Zareh
-------M.Nouri
----Mahini---------------Kolahkaj
----------Oladi------Borhani

[Martin-Reza]

Martin jan I think you are incorrectly comparing Rezaei's performance in PP against weaker IPl sides with Aghili's performance in important WCQ games against much tougher teams.

I'm actually comparing Aghili's current performances to Rezaei's former TM performances and then look at Rezaei's current IPL performances to assess how much of the old Rezaei he still is. Still many chances to be incorrect with this approach, but it's a lil' more reliable than the method you thought I was using .

I believe switching the CBs right now in the middle of WCQ games is a huge risk that could backfire, It is a long term project like Majid beauitully put it.

Other than Agha Kasra I think that is an important point. The defense and especially the centerbacks needgood coordination and it would be a setback to stop the development and start with a new duo, but due to the facts that I only want to change one of them and want to introduce a very experienced quality man, I think it wouldn't be that much of a risk. What a co-incidence as well that Hosseini always plays right CB and Rezaei always played left CB in TM, wouldn't that match perfectly... ?

[yashar_fasihnia]

Other than Agha Kasra I think that is an important point. The defense and especially the centerbacks needgood coordination and it would be a setback to stop the development and start with a new duo, but due to the facts that I only want to change one of them and want to introduce a very experienced quality man, I think it wouldn't be that much of a risk. What a co-incidence as well that Hosseini always plays right CB and Rezaei always played left CB in TM, wouldn't that match perfectly... ?

besides, they have played next to each other in asian cup 2007 and have some understanding of each other.

[Hajagha]

...Hosseini ... Rezaei ?

1, Hope you have seen Rezaei performance today against Abomoslem.

2, Between Hosseini and Aghili, I think Aghili has the potential to distribute the ball, I refer you most of TM games.

[Martin-Reza]

^ I agree Rezaei didn't have a good day, still he was ok and I think he is a better defender than Aghili could ever be. And it also was well visible that he can build up the game with short passing.

About Aghili being able to distribute the ball better than Hosseini, I disagree. Aghili is really exaggerating the long ball thing much more than Hosseini.

[Hajagha]

About Aghili being able to distribute the ball better than Hosseini, I disagree. Aghili is really exaggerating the long ball thing much more than Hosseini.

It's not about agreement and disagreement of an opinion, what I said is fact and I refered you the archive. You could see yourself.

[Kasra.]

Other than Agha Kasra I think that is an important point. The defense and especially the centerbacks needgood coordination and it would be a setback to stop the development and start with a new duo, but due to the facts that I only want to change one of them and want to introduce a very experienced quality man, I think it wouldn't be that much of a risk. What a co-incidence as well that Hosseini always plays right CB and Rezaei always played left CB in TM, wouldn't that match perfectly... ?

Aziz all over the world teams rotate their defenders.

Im taking Holland and Italy as an example:

Holland
Euro2008:
Against Italy Matthijsen and Ooijer were the CBs
Against France Boulahrouz and Ooijer were the CBs
Against Romania Heitinga and Bouma were the CBs
Against Russia again Matthijsen and Ooijer were the CBs

Kept rotating the defenders middle of the tournament

WC2010 Qualification
Against Macedona Heitinga and Matthijsen were the CBs
Against Iceland Matthijsen and Ooijer were the CBs
Against Norway Marcellis and Matthijsen were the CBs

As you see Matthijsen was the fix player (like Hosseini)
The other 3 rotated, Aghili, Montazeri and Ghorbani.


Italy
Euro 2008:
Against Holland Panucci and Barzagli were the CBs
Against Romania Chiellini and Panucci were the CBs
Against France Chiellini and Panucci were the CBs
Against Spain Chiellini and Pannuci were the CBs

You see they switched and rotated the 2 CBs in the middle of the tournament

WC2010 Qualification
Against Cyprus Cannavaro and Gamberini were the CBs
Against Georgia Cannavaro and Leggrotaglie were the CBs
Against Bulgaria Cannavaro and Chiellini were the CBs
Against Montenegro again Cannavaro and Chiellini were the CBs

Cannavaro is the fixxed player, the other CB keeps rotating and none of them play together at their clubs, same with Holland.

If other teams can do it, why can't we?