The upcoming IRAN - SAUDI game

[Martin-Reza]

My dear martin.and DD e aziz....I could n't help reading your exchanges,and wanted to inject a little point here.....
I hope you agree with me that the most important quality of a player,is how smart and intelegent he may be.....and I would think of quantifing his two dozen abilities later....
If a player, realizes, what is best to do at any moment...be it crosssing,waiting,going back, short or long passes,advancing solo,or dribling,etc,etc....even if he is not so good at those qualities........
If a player,can have fast decision makeing,and makeing the right decisions..is what matters the best !...his vision,and how the game should develope,and cognition of the situation and ,understanding the ergencies,etc,etc.....
ofcourse, football intelect,is what we are missing the most in our football...and that is why most our talents,get waisted before even florishing.

Very well said, I couln't agree more.

[Doctor DOOM]

In the news: Navidkia's injury sidelines him for the rest of the season!

that's it. I'm officially retracting my support for him.
He is the most injury-prone players I have EVER come across! How many times has he been injured? and How many months each time it takes for him to regain a semblance of form? ... just to get injured again in a couple of games!!!!

I have given up on him as of this moment and that's a sad sad thing. Coz with his extraordinary talent in passing, it'll be such a waste!

Now my only hope is Jabbari.
Mobaali wont get the call under daei, no matter what he does or achieves!!
I doubt karimi will either.
and shojaei, much like a young karimi, seems too slow in learning when to dribble when to pass. and anyway, he's never placed in the center, where he truly BELONGS.
Nouri is nowhere in the league of the above 4 players and still needs time and dedication to reach them. but as they say "lengeh kafsh dar biyaabaan ham ghanimat ast". however, Daei hesitates to use this "lengeh kafsh" also !!!

[yashar_fasihnia]

i was really pleased by mehdy karimian's game today in bargh.
he seemed very well poised over the ball, knew when, where and to who to pass, very alert and smart player in my opinion.

could be the next jabbari, or maybe the next mohammad nouri if u wanna call nouri the next jabbari...

i hope to see karimian in a bigger team among better players next season.
daei did a good job inviting him to TM, too bad he got injured in the camp...

[Doctor DOOM]

^ yes, we have a few upcoming talented youth like karimian, jamshidian ( who's maturing at sepahan ), nouri, kolahkaj, and U-16's Sadeghian.
They provide enough cushion for the future.
But right now, at this moment, if Karimi doesnt come back, with moharam's injuries, and mobaali's status with daei, all we are left with is JABBARI and Shojaei ( who has the bad luck of being positioned on the side ).

[shayan20]

In the news: Navidkia's injury sidelines him for the rest of the season!

that's it. I'm officially retracting my support for him.
He is the most injury-prone players I have EVER come across! How many times has he been injured? and How many months each time it takes for him to regain a semblance of form? ... just to get injured again in a couple of games!!!!

I have given up on him as of this moment and that's a sad sad thing. Coz with his extraordinary talent in passing, it'll be such a waste!

Now my only hope is Jabbari.
Mobaali wont get the call under daei, no matter what he does or achieves!!
I doubt karimi will either.
and shojaei, much like a young karimi, seems too slow in learning when to dribble when to pass. and anyway, he's never placed in the center, where he truly BELONGS.
Nouri is nowhere in the league of the above 4 players and still needs time and dedication to reach them. but as they say "lengeh kafsh dar biyaabaan ham ghanimat ast". however, Daei hesitates to use this "lengeh kafsh" also !!!

DD jaan, Dont believe the BS iranvarzeshi writes!!

That same newspaper wrote before Sepahan-SS game that Sepahan and ZZ managers are having disputes over the use of the fooladshahr stadium and that sepahan can't play in fooladshahr anymore against SS. but guess what there was no sign of this and they played there. many more bs news they just write to create hashiye.

Navidkia himself said its NOTHING.
and he will 100% play against PP in a week. He just didn't want to risk injury and miss the crucial game with PP.

Now please officially start supporting him again

[Doctor DOOM]

I will "officially" support him when I see one of his orgasmic through passes against pp. God, I love those passes.

[yashar_fasihnia]

so he is not playing today against peykan but will play against perspolis on friday?

[shayan20]

^
Basirat said he can even play against peykan but they may rest him for pp match or just bring him on later in the game.
But I hope he plays full match against peykan as well, its another important game.

EDIT: he was rested for the PP game.

[Doctor DOOM]

If I get to talk to Daei and am allowed only a moment to say whatever I want to him, I'd say " Make NEW mistakes".

plz note the emphasis is on "new".
3 words that carry great meaning and advise for everyone in life.
One of the best quotes I've ever come across.
It is not wrong in trying things and some end up as mistakes. that's just the process of life.
But to make the same old mistakes, again & again? that's criminal and incompetence.

[zzgloo]

[Doctor DOOM]

^ Bahram jan, One good thing about this game is KSA will not play a closed game and will have to come forward. and that opens up gaps in their 1/3rd.

but at the same time, Daei shd make sure he gets his line up perfectly right. Unfortunately, his usual line ups are more based on names and not the needs of a team.



we have ONLY 11 spots in a team and we must make sure ALL the needs are catered to.
by keeping shojaei in ( I assume for either RM or LM ) we may gain another dribbler ... which we already have in Karimi .. but LOSE a flank player who can attack down the flank, cross well as well as defend along the lines too !!
so in numerical terms, we may gain a step, but lose 3 !
that's not good selection.

we shd NOT see "WHO" we have and then try to fit as many famous players in the 11 as possible.
we shd first see WHAT we need from each post, and then based on those needs, select the best players. and if a couple of famous players have to sit out ( becoz we have other players who can do a better job in those particular posts than them ), then so be it.

the TEAM performance is much more important than satisfying the egos of stars or satisfying the hunger of fans to see their favorite players on the pitch.


it'd be nice if in our STARTING LINE UP, we could put 2-3 playmakers, 2 wingers, 3-4 forwards so my team would create truckload of chances, score plenty of goals and win the battle in the middle of the pitch. I'd also put 4 defenders, 1-2 sweepers, 3 def-mids,and maybe a couple of goal keepers, to make sure nobody comes close to my goal and I'd go about my business with no worries of harm reaching my goal! ... and fit all the famous and popular players in Iran in my line up.
but is it possible?
NO.... unfortunately!
only 11 spots and 11 different roles and characteristics for each one!

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that's why many fans expect ando or shojaei to start.
why?
becoz they supposedly play in europe, so we HAVE TO use them, no matter where or in what post?
why?
ando is competing for Nekounam's post . unless we are playing a very tough attacking team and we could do well by defending only. meaning we wouldnt need to win the game. then we can bring in a second def-mid. ( that's why altho' kazemi played well, but I think we shd have had an attacking mid in azadi, since we HAD TO win our home game. mere preventing a loss was not enough )
so we can have only ONE def-mid in the team and right now, nekunam's better than the rest. which means ando, kazemi, zareh, ... shd sit it out.


shojaei competes with karimi and jabbari, ( and mobaali, if invited ) and to a lesser extent, khalatbari & nouri for the playmaker/offensive-mid of the team. it's unfortunate that we have so many talented players for ONE spot!
that doesnt mean we shd fit as many of them just becoz they are famous talented star players. then what about the DUTIES of each post in the team?
so we can have only ONE offensive midfielder in the team and right now, karimi ( if he comes ) trumps jabbari, shojaei, khalatbari and nouri. so they shd sit it out.


NONE of them ( except maybe karimi , to an extent . and mobaali , if he's invited ) can play on the flanks where they are SUPPOSED to help in defense as well as play along the touch-line and cross well and ... . hence the need for THIS type of player like madanchi, hajsafi, kia, kazemian, heydari , ..... etc

[Doctor DOOM]

isnt it peculiar & funny when we see a team give chance after chance to a certain player, while the player either fails to deliver, or usually comes up pretty average at best .... but there are others OUTSIDE the team who show it at their clubs , but are overlooked by TM?

how many games has it been since VH scored a goal for TM?
the last I remember is under GN, the 1-1 draw at SKorea.
that was a year or more, ago!

when was the last game against a decent opposition ( not kisseh boks like singapore or ... ) that any one of our strikers scored a goal?
certainly not in any of the past WCQ's. and in the previous round, I can only think of niki's bicycle kick in kuwait, where he was positioned as the striker. anything after that? No?

so despite repeated chance offerings to strikers who just dont score goals ( VH doesnt even score goals in his CLUB games !!!! ), why are we resisting the use of players who DO score goals in their club games?

I'm talking about Kazemian.
afterall he's scoring his goals against OUR VERY WC OPPONENTS.
in any part of the world, this would be a no-brainer.
if X and Y get 15 chances and still come up with ZERO goals, why do we resist using Z for a couple of games, even if they're TEST GAMES ... just to find out his capability?
why is it so hard?

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kazemian has scored about 6 - 7 goals for his club. that is 6-7 goals MORE than our FIXED TM striker, VH.
5-6 MORE than the player we keep pushing up & suggsting as pseudo-striker; shojaei.
I also dont think he's done any worse than rezaei ( he has only 5 ) or khalatbari.

he isnt OLD that we would say his age works against him.
he isnt slow that we could argue his lack of pace against him.
so why not him?

[zzgloo]

I have a feeling, our games from now on,will be more difficult than the ones we had so far.....particularly the game with Saudi's.
Our opponants played us, under impression of the TM of the WC,under Branko....and planned thier game accordingly....while, up-comeing games will be based on , Daei's TM.....
We should take what South Korea's coach statement seriously when he, after game in Tehran, stated he regreted his game plan was a wrong one.
While, not only he will play differently in Seol,but also ,so will the other teams......and analyze TM, based on daei's TM !!!
Specialy, the Soudi arabia's New coach, whom may only judge TM,based on its recent game under Daei.

[Doctor DOOM]

You may have a point there, bahram jan.

certainly the more experienced coaches will find our moves and tactics and can devise counters to them.

what do we have to up the ante?
I'd say a fit and energetic karimi is a good start. but we need more.
I must say after Niki's recent games, I wouldnt mind suspending his ban in TM and using him as one of the strikers.
in PP's ACL game, he was on fire. and did very well in passing, heading, crossing, creating chances, .... etc.
It'd be a pity if we have a chance to use a resource like him but end up eliminating him!

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after PP's ACL game:

With karimi subbed out, pp lost all quality in management of the middle of the park. their creativity quality went down. so did the quality of their passing and their combo-plays ( that was the highlight of their first half )!

this just shows what a playmaker can be to a team.
compared to his replacement, bagheri who, if not a big ZERO, was very very poor.

I think we all can take a major lesson from this that any team who wants to be successful and WIN games ( not merely draw ), they ought to have a playmaker, as compared to a mere central mid.


following bagheri's continuous decline in efficiency in the past 2 months or so, I think the answer is clear to daei who deserves to start and who doesnt.
Will Daei sideline bagheri?
and why would he even sub him IN? I'd say judging by his performances these days, he shdnt even get subbed in unless we are 2-3 goals up ( which is an improbablity ). subbing karimi due to fatigue or whatever is one thing, but we must be very careful with his replacement also. another playmaker like jabbari or shojaei would be far more effective than bringing bagheri in.

sorry, agha karim. thank you for all the years of dedication and hard work , for all the glory you have brought to Iran. I think it is time to re-retire. and this time, for good. dont go listening to others who may want to use you as a political tool. think about ur achievements and standing in our football and exit gracefully and with honor.
as it shd be with every player.

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that was the case made for the need for a playmaker, now , this is for the need for WIDTH:

in PP's ACL game what proved to be a constant danger for the uae team was the number of crosses coming in from PP's left ( and some on right ) with petrovic, nouri and niki constantly running up and down, ... USING ALL THE PITCH, even the opponent's 1/3rd and crossing in.
now, PP may not have the resources of a national team, and they have to do with only their 22 man squad. but at TM, we have far more options for senders and recievers.
but the ACT of playing the whole pitch and using wide plays to create chances shd not be ignored anymore.

[yashar_fasihnia]

with this form, bagheri doesnt even deserve to be on TM's bench!