Team Melli future coach

[BehzadB]

We need a shock + enthusiastic coach+ some coaching knowledge would be a plus.

hala eenghadr badbakht shodeem ke "some" coaching knowledge is a plus, ha?

I am not sure why no one is mentioning Luka's name....

I did.. I just don't remember which thread it was.. I mean we have had like 100 threads on the issue since Saturday..

but seriously, I think the next coach will be in a "win/nothing to lose" position. If TM wins, he is the hero.. if TM doesn't, well, it was Daie who had messed up..

the next coach of TM will not have much pressure, nothing to lose and A LOT to gain.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ LOL. true.

"badbakht" situations beget "badbakht" solutions !!!
or as we say in farsi : Lengeh kafsh dar biyabaan ghanimat ast

I'm ok with any of the following:
MK
Ghotbi
Shagholam

I am pretty sure we're not gonna get a farangi chap.

and armin has correctly narrowed our focus to not 3 games, but the NKorea game only.
if we dont win that one, we might as well keep ahmadinejad as coach ... wont make a diff !


aaaah. those missed opportunities when we SHOULD HAVE taken a few more risks than be content with a sedate & cautious approach!
common sense and EXPERIENCE ( if we had any! ) shd teach us, the earlier we take risks, the less stress we'll have to go through near the end. and in worst cases, we'd still have time to repair any damage, if any comes our way.
hala darim choobesh ro mikhorim !!!

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anyway, I wanted to discuss a matter here with the more mature fellows about the coaching.

I wanted to post it in general forum, but I came across so many idiots and numbskulls I just gave up! having a contrary opinion is one thing ( that, I can take. as I endure martin and gang ), but you cant be a total blank in the head.
some guy's explanation for his indignation and disgust of MK as a candidate is this brainless statement:
"why the F*** do they pick MK when saipa is 10th in the IPL league standings. "

now, what would you say to such a fool?
do u take time to explain "haji ... you shd be praising MK for bringing saipa UP to 10th after being the rock bottom team, 18th under the decorated German coach... in a matter of 9-10 weeks".

or to the idiots who say prize-winning loads of dog turd like: "He failed w olympic team"
would u take time to ask this fool "and exactly how many times have we been qualifying for olympics, that this incompetent devil broke the cycle of successful qualifications & failed us? and wasnt it MK, who DID take us to the FINAL round of olympic qualifiers at least ... unlike MANY other coaches" ( highly reminiscent of other foolish remarks on denizli and pp , btw )

you think it'd go into his head?
I doubt it!
and there are PLENTY of fools who jump to speak with absolutely no knowledge of what crap comes out of their mouth (fingers ... actually ) !!!
there are some REALLY absurd comments that simply made me laugh.



anyway, the question is:
we're pretty sure the coach is a vatani chap, and not an ajnabi.
we also know the odds are pretty much stacked up AGAINST us and overcoming these odds, even if we get the third spot is quite low.

now, IF this guy somehow manages to lead us to a third spot ( I'm not even counting a direct qualification) against such odds, shd we retain him?
or force him out and try to bring someone else ... knowing this IFF isnt very intelligent in negotiating and finding good coaches anyway?

afterall, if our vatani chap can turn things around to this extent, how far shd we trust his abilities which by that time will be PROVEN?

keep him for the play-offs against bahrain/uzbeks ?
keep him up to NZ play-off only?
or any further?


Q2- what if he gets the DIRECT spot for us ( instead of a play-off one) ?
would that encourage ppl to retain him?
or will they run after a foreign coach , even though this chap has done the near impossible ?

[Martin-Reza]

Troussier added to the list by Kafashian (flashbakc?). Compared to MK he's God .

[Doctor DOOM]

^

you either have very low esteem for God ... or somehow too high for trousier.

But, hey, I'm perfectly fine with the french man if he is selected.

unlike many other foreign names mentioned, he wont be starting with a total BLANK SLATE.
he know a bit about our football, has faced us before and recently, and is also familiar with the region's demands and expectations.

if it IS true, then I hope with get him instead of any of the vatani chaps


but knowing IFF loves drama, we may yet find someone like MK or Jalali becoming the frenchie's assistant to help with the more local input & data.
which , again, makes perfect sense to me.

so any pairing of Troussier with either jalali or MK or ghotbi shd be pretty awesome ... given our circumstances. and we can offer them the long contract that they all look for.

[yashar_fasihnia]

these could all just be distractions until haji mayelli is appointed...

[The-Red]

these could all just be distractions until haji mayelli is appointed...

ya true

[zzgloo]

I believe,our most important game will be against UAE,and the number of goals we score :


Currantly, only 4 points separates the top four teams in our group...and it is very likely, that at the end,two or even three teams, may have identical points.........

[BehzadB]

so any pairing of Troussier with either jalali or MK or ghotbi shd be pretty awesome ... given our circumstances. and we can offer them the long contract that they all look for.

why stop there DD? considering our circumstances , why not all of them together, plus shagholam.. that would be something..

[The-Red]

Doctor Doom for TM... I would be ok with that all the way....

come on, who else is with me

be khoda after all these names and games, one wonders if they are just too stupid or are they acting based on a very detailed plan that requires so many ppl to set it up and organize it or just confusion and total anarchy.

[Martin-Reza]

why stop there DD? considering our circumstances , why not all of them together, plus shagholam.. that would be something..

lol

But seriously, none of the guys will be willing to work as the other one's assistant, so it won't happen.

[maij]

I petty those who think a coach ( Ajnabi or Vatani) will yield his magic wand and creates wonder .....but then again , I suppose there is no shame in dreaming .......

My very humble opinion , says that regardless to who the coach is , this Team Melli needs a psychological drive at this stage rather than tactical prowess to be taught in a few weeks ( while playing a lifetime on a certain mind set)...

Let us face it...... There are no huge tactical or technical gaps between our boyz in Team Melli and the rest of the opposition that cannot be internally mended.... Come on , we conceded two simple late goals on VERY ELEMENTARY errors...I need not be a Zagalo , or Capello or Wenger to see how such errors can cost you ..

Fix these damn repeated defensive lapses ....I , hereby declare that I have mentioned these defensive errors umpteen times and even advocated the employment or deployment of a defensive coordinator to fix these lapses ...and I am not even an amateur coach.... Why Daei could not see it , or if he did , why he or his coaching staff did not he deal with it effectively....is beyond me !!!!

Back to the topic...

IT REALLY DOES NOT MATTER WHO THE COACH IS AT THIS STAGE...

Get that damn Haji in, if they want , and let's get it over with.....From people such as Kafashian , one should not really expect much sense , logic or depth....

[Martin-Reza]

^ There is no way to fix such lapses. Maybe a psychologist or mental coach can help, but generally this is what our defenders do since they are kids. They always have those lapses in the league, just the weaker the opponent (and especially the strikers), the less they get punished.

[Doctor DOOM]

there indeed is a way to fix them:
you kick your def-mids ( whoever they are and however big they are ) and force them to understand they have to stick to their man. if need be, stand on the touch line like the rest of the good coaches in the world ( instead of sitting there being a spectator ) and EACH & EVERY TIME SCREAM UR ORDERS on corners or set pieces. each & every time.

if this has happened once, it has happened a 100 times more. it is the failure of the staff for either not noticing it, or not forcing the issue ( for whatever fraking reason they may have).
and if you see them fail to do so, in each & every game, have guts and get ur priorities straight and you bench them ..... until they understand they cannot have guarantees to start games just becoz they are who they are.

this team belongs to PPL who take care of their duties .. irrespective of their name or where they play

[maij]

^ There is no way to fix such lapses. Maybe a psychologist or mental coach can help, but generally this is what our defenders do since they are kids. They always have those lapses in the league, just the weaker the opponent (and especially the strikers), the less they get punished.

I beg to differ (slightly) ,Martin Jan.....

Those lapses that lead to two quick goals were not in the magnitude of being impossible to fix. However , if you mean that this lack of concentration and failure to focus at crucial moments of the match , as a cultural or habitual issue , then I might agree with you.


IRANIAN PLAYERS CAN NOT KEEP A LEAD even if their LIVES DEPENDED ON IT.

[maij]

there indeed is a way to fix them:
you kick your def-mids ( whoever they are and however big they are ) and force them to understand they have to stick to their man. if need be, stand on the touch line like the rest of the good coaches in the world ( instead of sitting there being a spectator ) and EACH & EVERY TIME SCREAM UR ORDERS on corners or set pieces. each & every time.

if this has happened once, it has happened a 100 times more. it is the failure of the staff for either not noticing it, or not forcing the issue ( for whatever fraking reason they may have).
and if you see them fail to do so, in each & every game, have guts and get ur priorities straight and you bench them ..... until they understand they cannot have guarantees to start games just becoz they are who they are.

this team belongs to PPL who take care of their duties .. irrespective of their name or where they play

Thanks....wise solution.

NOW...the trick is for the next coach to have the biggest board he can get his hand on and explain it to his players using chalk & board !!! ..If your favorite / beloved/ moron , Mayeli Kohan can do it , then best of luck to him....