Ghotbi

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Well... this is quiet a good resumee for his assistant.

[zzgloo]

ghotbi better not to have any local assistant, similar stili......we have already had enough soap Opera !

By the way,the following " pase " is what I copied from " Arezoo "'s post in general forum,......she defenetly has a point :

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Arezoo :

My words to Ghotbi....

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I know maybe this should have been posted in football forum but since it's got to do with feelings more than football itself, I post it here.

there were things that i wanted to say to Ghotbi, especially now that he's become our coach but i saw all i wanted to say is said in here.

آقای قطبی ما را به جام جهانی ببر ولی آگاه باش که:

من نرفتن به جام جهانی با تو را ترجیح میدم به صعود بدست امثال حاج مایلی کهن چون :
_ در بین گزینه های مد نظر تو شایسته ترین بودی و این فرصت حق تو بود .هر چند یکسال و نیم دیرتر به حقت رسیدی .
_چون انتخاب تو بر اساس مسائل فنی و دانشت از علم فوتبال بود و نه لابیگری با خدا یا بندگان خدا!
_چون میدانم با بودن تو انتخاب بازیکنان تیم کشورم بر اساس شایستگی های فنی خواهد بود و نه زیر ابروی برداشته یا ریش نتراشیده!
_چون میدانم با وجود تو بازیکنان تیم کشورم با قلب شیر به میدان خواهند رفت و نه با روح و روان فرسوده و خراب!
_چون میدانم وقتی روی نیمکت تیم کشورم نشسته ای بجای اینکه فکر و ذهنت فقط درگیر خواندن ورد و دعا باشه درگیر مسائل فنی و تاکتیکی و فوتبالی خواهد بود!
_ چون میدانم در صورت شکست با تو پای تقدیر و قضا و قدر به میان کشیده نخواهد شد.
_چون خسته شدم از این همه دو روئی و ریا برای رسیدن به پست و مقام!
_ چون اعصابم خراب شده از این جو وحشتناک و پر از فحاشی و توهین و تهمت فوتبال ایران !
_چون در صورت حذف شدن مجاب میشوم رفتن به جام جهانی حق ما نبوده و نه بدلیل انتصاب و انتخابهای سیاسی و اعتقادی!
_چون صعود به جام جهانی با امثال مایلی کهن باعث قوت گرفتن سیطره افکار و اعمال و گفتمان پر از ریا و دوروئی و فحاشی میشد.

و در آخر از همه صادقانه بگم چون دوست دارم تو نماینده کشورم و مردمش باشی نه مایلی کهن ها.

what do you have to say to him?
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سر مربی خوش تیپ فوتبال ایران

[Amin_]

Agha I honestly don't see why you and Martin seem to be laughing about this. It's very indicative of a prevailing mentality which has hurt our society over centuries. I teach at colleges and most of my bosses here in America are women, they also make multiple times more money than I do. We have women pilots, surgeons, lawyers, actresses, CEOs, and so on. Maybe our cultural norms are the main reasons why Iran is so behind compared to the first world and industrialized countries????!!!!

lol are you serious? This isn't about women vs. men in general, but about female FOOTBALL. Yes, the fact that our assistant is the coach of a women's team is laughable to me. It's not like he's the coach of Brazil or USA's female national team or anything. Female (club) football is nothing here in Holland.

[Doctor DOOM]

^^
WOW !
My goodness!! How insightful from this "arezoo" gal.

she'd rather not qualify for the WC if it is with MK, and prefers to be eliminated with ghotbi!!

wow!
great speech !!
shall I get my hankie too?
or going by the tone of her letter, shall I fetch some vazeline for her ?




can anyone spell "Loos-e nonor" for me plz?

[mkbf2]

lol are you serious? This isn't about women vs. men in general, but about female FOOTBALL. Yes, the fact that our assistant is the coach of a women's team is laughable to me. It's not like he's the coach of Brazil or USA's female national team or anything. Female (club) football is nothing here in Holland.

what a great mess we have in iran from a former star turned coach to a guy who likes writing satire to his bosses to a coach who decides of all the assistants in the world he wants a coach who manages in a laughable league. what can i say except for at least our federation keeps us entertained lol

[The-Red]

this is too much to take...one goes, one comes, lol at our IFF and poor us and TM fans all around the world.

much better choice than the previous options, let's hope he does his magic.

[Martin-Reza]

What I am wondering about is, has he really got more experience than Daei? Headcoachwise not, Daei at least had ACL games as well. As assistant and analyst, yes, but then again Daei had an undisputable player experience.

So in the end we have another Daei. With less beef with current players but also less authority I suppose.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ Daei's problem was bringing in personal stuff and his lajbaazi.

if ghotbi is the same as daei, but without the above 2 factors, I dont think we have taken such a bad decision.
besides, it's just for 3 games.

[BehzadB]

So in the end we have another Daei. With less beef with current players but also less authority I suppose.

that's fair.. although I don't think "authority" at this point in time is an issue..

We have advanced to the WC with the bounce of the ball and individual brilliance of players.. 1978, 1998 and in 2006, all the same... It was Parvin to Ghafour Jahani in 1977, It was Azizi/Daie in 1997 and Hashemian/Karimi in 2005..

Who is going to step up this time?

I think Daie for whatever reason could not have that motivational connection to his players.. maybe he was too serious, or too much into himself, I don't know. but his players, most of which were his former teammates, simply didn't buy into his stuff, even though they respected him or feared him.. they were emotionally disconnected..

our players are an emotional bunch (like us) and they need that emotion to cover up some of the things they lack.. we need a stronger motivator.. My hope is that Ghotbi will provide that and the players will buy into it.

of course, I am not saying that motivation is all that it takes, but given our situation, we need some of that..a lot of it actually.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

What I am wondering about is, has he really got more experience than Daei? Headcoachwise not, Daei at least had ACL games as well. As assistant and analyst, yes, but then again Daei had an undisputable player experience.

So in the end we have another Daei. With less beef with current players but also less authority I suppose.

IMO the co-coaching experience weights more than the playing experience.

Being on the pitch as an individual in a team is different than being aside and organize a group ofrindividuals as a whole team.

and having done that with world class coaches

for me:
Ghotbi > Daei

[Doctor DOOM]

I think Daie for whatever reason could not have that motivational connection to his players.. maybe he was too serious, or too much into himself, I don't know. but his players, most of which were his former teammates, simply didn't buy into his stuff, even though they respected him or feared him.. they were emotionally disconnected..

our players are an emotional bunch (like us) and they need that emotion to cover up some of the things they lack.. we need a stronger motivator.. My hope is that Ghotbi will provide that and the players will buy into it.

Sounds logical.
as you can see now, the main impact of the team has to come from the more experienced players in the team and only be SUPPORTED by the new crop. TM's goals scored so far proves that.
So when this bunch feels the disconnect or alienated or not exactly fully into it, the team as a whole suffers.

The supporting cast ( newcomers ) were doing their job, but the main PUSH and THRUST of the team depended on the emotional stability of the experienced lot. and the way daei handled the likes of Kia, Karimi, VH, Madanchi, ... , wasnt really conducive to the issue!

He showed half contempt in using them and thought he could do it with an imbalanced team ( heavily towards inexperience and youth ) ... which was proven fatal. the team shd have been more balanced.

apart from the vets mentioned above, his treatment and attitude towards the likes of zandi, mobaali, rezaei, ... didnt exactly make his case easier with the experienced players.

[Martin-Reza]

Well, Eijer declined the offer this morning:
http://www.persianfootball.com/index...=1920&Itemid=2

[zzgloo]

I realy feel good about Ghotbi, for some reason !
this guy has been lucky......from USA, to korea, to PP.........to knocking off two domestic coaches ,and surviving all odds against him, even when they did not want him.
I have a feeling, he will bring his good luck for us.......
In addition, he represent, a new phenamina,of narrowing the gap between us, out-side Iranians, and Inside Iranians........,

[BehzadB]

Well, Eijer declined the offer this morning:
http://www.persianfootball.com/index...=1920&Itemid=2

So the women football coach declined us, ha?

[Adesor Vafaseya]

So the women football coach declined us, ha?

of course, if he has the option to coach young ladies in Netherlands comparing with hairy men in Iran, what would he take, ha?