The TIPS Formula

[Martin-Reza]

Ghotbi said he will chose his squad according to the TIPS formula.

Technique
Intelligence (football)
Personality
Speed

I honestly must say I don't see many Iranian players being outstanding in all of those departments.

Who do you think makes TM under that formula and who are the big names who might not?

[Doctor DOOM]

since physical condition is kept out of the list, I'd say:

nekunam, VH, Kia, haydari, rahmati, Ando.
and that's about it !!!!

[Martin-Reza]

You and your Heydari. We don't know anything about Heydari's personality, so I don't think you should include him there. I personally doubt he fulfills the "I" very much.

Shojaei might be good in every department as well. Again the "I" being the problem, but surely his is higher than Heydari's, who is one of the slow thinkers.

I think speed might be a problem for Zandi for example. If it's running speed and not thinking speed, which I would include under intelligence.

[Doctor DOOM]

as far as I know haydari seems very humble, he rarely talks to the press , he is not controversial and is the kind of player who minds his business and lets his performances do the talking for him.
for me, that is TWO thumbs up in terms of personality ... compared to majority of our star players.
as for the intelligence, I think he more often than not gets the task done. that is a sign of intelligence and correct decision making. unless you want to put them through a IQ, GRE or GMAT test to find out their intelligence!


shojaei has the technique but not the speed and I'm quite undecided on the intelligence factor also. he seems to have two different personalities within him, one at spain, the other at Iran, which isnt half of his spain self !!

sadly a large majority of our players dont satisfy ALL the 4 criteria and some will miss one or the other.
so it's a compromise ghotbi has to make, depending on the situation, post & position, tasks required, opponent, ... etc

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Technique
Inteligence (football)
Personality
Speed

all 4 in one player is very difficult for Iran.

I will have a go:

6 Players I could come up with that pass:

Nekoonam:
Technique: is sufficient.
Intelligence: He has a good field and game understanding.
Personality: Nothing negative so far.
Speed: for his position, sufficient speed.
--> he passes all criteria

Shojaee:
Technique: positive
Intelligence: good involvement in the game. good passing.
Personality: Nothing negative so far.
Speeed: positive
--> He passes all criteria

Teymoorian:
Technique: sufficient.
Intelligence: Game understanding is OK!
Personality: Gheyrati and fighter.
Speed: No doubt!
--> He passes all criteria

Mahdavikia:
Technique: Positive
Intelligence: Good understanding of the game
Personlaity: besides vs. Bahrain (lol) always good character
Speed: yes
--> He passes all criteria

Hashemian:
Technique: Positive
Intelligence: good positioning in the the box
Personality: Runs aand fights 90 min.
Speed: OK
--> He passes all criteria

Rahman Rezaee:
Technique: Pass
Intelligence: Good positioning in defence
Personality: no negtaive incident so far
Speed: OK
--> He passes all criteria


players that passed three criterias and lacked only 1:
Karimi: personality sometimes a problem.
Kaabi: Intelligence Game understanding sometimes a problem.
Borhani: Intelligence Game understanding sometimes a problem

Players with 2-3 problem items:
Nikki: passes only intelligence and technique.
Mobali: passes only intelligence and technique.
Kazemian: passes only technique and speed.



interesting that only European base players pass all the criteria here....

[Doctor DOOM]

interesting that only European base players pass all the criteria here....

... why? becoz YOU decided ?

you may have to add "IN MY OPINION" in between that sentence, dadash.


for example, rezaei getting into a slapping match with his own mate in front of the world shd not be counted!!!! but someone else just becoz a coach didnt like him, shd bear the incredulous and ridiculous label of "problematic personality" shd be given negative marks.
eh?


for another example, kaabi's personality ( with all his rash challenges, fights and arguments in field and other stuff off it ) is fine?
really? that gets passing marks ?
but in the same breath you question Mobaali's?

pray tell why Mobaali's "personality" is in question? becoz he tackles the opposing player to serve his team's interest? so ANY player who tackles another has questionable personality? even if it was a rash one?
care to show me ONE player who hasnt tackled rashly at least once?
even keepers do it ... let alone midfielders.

so you see, there are other sides to everything


I think Mobaali is victim of a bunch of idiots ( with questionable agenda ) who started this label a long time back, and now, we have come to just "go along" with that perception, coz we never challenged it. adesy jan, like many of us is merely following that misinformation.

[Martin-Reza]

I like Farhad's analysis.

I am not sure if Karimi passes speed to be honest. But it's not about passing a certain criteria, but about who the best players in all those departments on the different positions are.

And then there is the problem about definition of personality. Is it really meant that you are perfect there simply if you never made trouble? Doesn't this point also include players who overtake responsibility in difficult situations, stand up for their teammates and show positive signals on the pitch, beside being role models beside the pitch?

I mean for example I would rate Kaebi's personality, a fighter and someone not taking any shit, higher than those of quiet players who shut up and are nowhere to be seen when it matters on the field.

[Doctor DOOM]

and everything has to be withing its LIMITS.

fighting and ending up giving up freekicks or getting cards unnecessarily is NOT an "appreciated fighting spirit".

it'd be nice if we dropped our "double standards" once & for all.

[faraz]

... why? becoz YOU decided ?

...

AV, how dare you question Mobali with DD in this forum!

all in all, as DD pointed out, I think physical conditioning is really needed in that list...

Mobali is too slow anyhow, both in his decision making (intelligence) and physical speed. I think we have too many options in Mid to include him or Kazemian in there for now, but maybe as backups.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

... why? becoz YOU decided ?

you may have to add "IN MY OPINION" in between that sentence, dadash.


for example, kaabi's personality ( with all his rash challenges, fights and arguments in field and other stuff off it ) is fine?
really? that gets passing marks ?
but in the same breath you question Mobaali's?

pray tell why Mobaali's "personality" is in question? becoz he tackles the opposing player to serve his team's interest? so ANY player who tackles another has questionable personality? even if it was a rash one?
care to show me ONE player who hasnt tackled rashly at least once?
even keepers do it ... let alone midfielders.

so you see, there are other sides to everything

I only add in IMO, when I want to be fair....
today I feel arrogant

Like every great coach, I am laaj baaz with some players and have personal issues with them If Daei can, so why can't I, ha?


ok jokes aside:

Kaabi: personality fine, cause he gives everything.. I look at overall picture.
Mobali: my judgement had nothing to do with tackles, more his off-field issues.

but anyway.... its difficult to judge since ppl differ from ppl, thats why coaches have different oppinions from the other.



overall, must say, IMO (ok I put it here lol) we dont have enough (11 players) in Iran to fullfill all 4 elements, so we must take some from the outter criteria area too.
I would of course take Karimi and Kaabi in TM camp.

[Doctor DOOM]

to faraz:
question all you want. I have no problem with ppl expressing their opinion. but as long as we keep away from double standards and bias. if we measure X with one set of standards, then we better do the same for Y too.
this is when I question ppl's opinions.

if mobaali is supposedly "slow" in decision making, once you point to a midfilder in Iran who is "fast", then we'll watch some games and see how he measures up.
as far as I see, ALL our mids once in a while ( like mobaali ) spend a while with the ball trying to find a mate or wait for an opening or ... .
from the average mids to even the likes of karimi, shojaei, zandi, ... . they all have had such instances. I've seen zandi or shojaei waste so much time with the ball on many occasions that ppl would wonder if they've gone to sleep!

but when it comes to mobaali, suddenly our gouge is Kaka or Messi !!!!
heh!
nothing doing, my friend.



and I'm sensitive towards a few players more than the rest becoz I see absolute UNFAIR treatment of them.
UNFAIR and more importantly UNTRUE matters attached to them.
and if one thing gets my goat it is unfairness.

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to adesy:
well, now that you clarified the "arrogance" factor, then all's good now.

would love to knwo about those "OFF Field" issues coz if you're fair, I think among all of you, I've followed mobaali's career much more than anyone else here. from when he was in U-19 team, before busan games even.
and aside from humility and self-depreciation and a desire to "this time work harder to impress" I've not seen anything else from the kid.

[Martin-Reza]

it'd be nice if we dropped our "double standards" once & for all.

...says the man who puts Khosro Heydari in the top 5 of our football while excluding Shojaei and others

[Martin-Reza]

Anyway, I think an interesting thing here would be comparing players who are competing for a spot in regards to this aspect.

Hashemian vs. Borhani
Shojaei vs. Karimi (vs. Khalatbari vs. Zandi)

And others.

Much will be a matter of taste and bias, but it can be interesting.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

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to adesy:
well, now that you clarified the "arrogance" factor, then all's good now.

would love to knwo about those "OFF Field" issues coz if you're fair, I think among all of you, I've followed mobaali's career much more than anyone else here. from when he was in U-19 team, before busan games even.
and aside from humility and self-depreciation and a desire to "this time work harder to impress" I've not seen anything else from the kid.

BABA I didnt critzicise his personality... read my original post

[yashar_fasihnia]

... why? becoz YOU decided ?

you may have to add "IN MY OPINION" in between that sentence, dadash.

and how many times have u mentioned "IN MY OPINION" in all these years payman jan?