China - Iran friendly

[Doctor DOOM]

First half observations:



I guess this is yet another argument in favor of dropping the 2 def-mids for Iranian teams.

- Ando , despite his great defensive work, cannot lead a team. Very poor in forward moves.
- Ashoubi cant lead a team. His forward contributions has been zero!
- And surprisingly, zandi hasn’t been able to, and is very relaxed and languid, as if he doesn’t care !! I must say my perception of Cyprus league fell even more than before !

This TM’s problem is the lack of a player to LEAD it in offense and this kind of formation doesn’t allow for such a player unless we use a playmaker in for either ashoubi or ando.

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And I think we got our answer to the LB question too; hajsafi is NO answer to the LB problem.
Lets hope ashjari recuperates quickly

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and I was hoping we'd got our answer w regards to the SINGLE forward line ups given OUR strikers a loooong time ago.
and yet .... !!!

we need TWO guys up there, otherwise all VH's efforts will be wasted and we're mainly tiring him and nothing else !

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SECOND HALF :


not bringing in a creative MIDFIELDER, shows ghotbi didn’t pinpoint the problem of the team.

Bringing in 3 attacking players with noone to create passes for them is going to a race with a great car but w no tyres !!!

Poor coaching & game reading!

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So far 4 of ghotbi’s experiments have resulted in failures.

1- ashoubi
2- mohamad as LB
3- hajsafi as LB
4- a TM without a playmaker ( just becoz he wants both ashoubi & ando in !!! )

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and it shd be evident that haydari is better than kaabi at the moment


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and having 2 def mid NEVER covered the area in front of the defenders !!!
despite having TWO players there, we kept on surrendering that crucial zone in the middle to the chinese ..... IN A FREAKING FRIENDLY !!!
I shudder to think how they'll do against a maximum motivated NKorean team.





oh, wait.
I think I do know.
it's going to be the SAME SH*T we've seen in the past whenever we used two DEFENSIVE-MINDED players there.
same crap, same results.

so why the insistence, then?

[persianallstars]

4-2-3-1 is not the right one for iran, they should rather play with a 4-1-3-2, it's obvious that a second DM is just slowing tm gameplay down. There should be one who is creative and one who can help the defence any time.

Nevertheless it's just embarrassing that we only have Hash as forward, Borhani, Khalili, Kazemian are not soccer players... Red Bull might be interested in them for their next freestyle tournament....

[yashar_fasihnia]

absolutely clueless, uncreative and impotent performance by TM.

the team heavily relies on nekounam, and creative players on shojaei and karimi and they can make huge difference for the team.

hajsafi as expected proved he cant be a good LB against decent opposition cos of his evident lack of defensive abilities. he did make a few good moves in attack though.

however, alireza mohammad was even more poor. extremely nervous, made lots of mistakes and seemed so out of sync with the rest of the team.

and khalatbari is much more effective than all these other wingers and midfielders that ghotbi keeps playing ahead of khalatbari. madanchi, kazemian, borhani... over-rated as always by their fans and used as an excuse to pick on coaches who dont select them!

our defense is a joke. the scene in which their #4 headed the ball onto our bar was a clear indication of it. we had so many men in the penalty area, but when the shot was taken, 4 or 5 of them were unmarked and even the rebound of the ball, so close to the goal was collected by another unmarked chinese player.

[yashar_fasihnia]

LEAD

not necessarily, the play maker can play behind the striker as well. hopfeully with karimi and shojaei playing behind hashemian, we will have our play makers.

however, i still think that if kazemi was playing as a DM today instead of one of those two guys, he could have helped more in offense, which is wat i said after the Indonesia U-23 game as well.

playing different DM's in a 4-2-3-1 can make quite a noticeable difference in a team.

[zzgloo]

Positives points :

1- Mahdavikia, is back on top form.
2-Mahdavikia, has brought kabie back to top form.
3-kazemian,Madanchi,kalatbari....need fix spots on TM.
4-TM,played a very good CHINA team,an excellent friendly before NK.
5-First half, TM,although not running in full cylenders,played better than CHINA.

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Nutral points :

1-we should not read too much on the secound half, as it was not very seriouse for Qotbi.
2-Ashoubi, was just filling in for other midfild whom will play against NK.
3-The reason,Aghili was switched to right side, has been for his crosses to the left corner.
4-There may have been,some reservations by Qotbi,not to show what TM is going to do against NK in this game.

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Negative points :

1-The midfiled was not able to feed the forwards,as it did not have a play maker, ..Zandi & hashemian were victemized for that.
2-Ashoubi,Pejman Noori,Mohamad,khalili......are no good at all.
3-TM,despite of haveing great depth at the midfield,was the weakest at that position,and there was no ball disterbution.
4-There were,no shots on the opponant's Goal.

[zzgloo]

however, i still think that if kazemi was playing as a DM today instead of one of those two guys, he could have helped more in offense, which is wat i said after the Indonesia U-23 game as well.
playing different DM's in a 4-2-3-1 can make quite a noticeable difference in a team.

yashar jaan, we heard,Qotbi say,in his last interview,he has no choice,in absence of nekonam,but to play two DM,to stabelize defense against NK.
Yet, there was an obviouse lack of connection between these two,and the next 3 !!, and only mahdavikia,was able to feed the right side....
We need similar output to mahdavikia's on left and center midfield.
It is possible, with addition of Shojaee,karimi,and later nekonam,and more playing time by khaatbari,these short comeing will end.

[Hadi]

i think our first have was a huge step in the right direction compared to Daie's time.

Andranik is becoming his old self and he is a true general of midfield.

Hajsafi and Madanchi can also learn to play better together.

The lineup was perfect.

[maij]

Actually I thought the first 20 to 30 minutes was quite decent for Team Melli , the only remark I would have that this team really lacks the killer punch...in fact it lacks even soft punch.

No team can score passing the ball between them ....When Barca or Arsenal do that it is for a purpose , in TM I can't figure out wher and when is this punch coming !!

The rest of the game was as usual.....There were some pretty bad performances too. Kazemian is a waste of space and I doubt that he will make it far. Alireza Mohammad ...well no more comment as Ghotbi discovered his error of judgment with this selection.

Pejman Nouri is another question mark...

BUT...seriousely.....this defense , bar Rahmati , is one hell of a liability....This is the type that makes you nervous until the final whistle....Such a chaos....

[maij]

I was always a defender of player's choice when it comes to playing abroad and specifically in UAE league....I am slowly becoming despondent with the performance of UAE based players.

Very concerned with Madanchi , who is on dip. Even in Al Nasr this season , he was not that old Madanchi. Kazemian....Oooh.....I suppose playing with a club that just avoided relegation versus this season versus a championship club , shows very clearly..... I can't beleive how bad he was today...he looked frightened !!!

I Liked Ando today.....

[Hajagha]

Short note:

Bring back Daei's line-up plus Karimi, don't waste your time and test that already tested.

Any UAE based players is waste of time.

My line up against NK:

Rahmati

Kia, Hosseini, Aghili, Mohamad(???, any better choice??)

Kazemi

Shojaei, Zandi, Karimi

Khalatbari, Hashemian

Cheers

[zzgloo]

I do not know, what els, khalatbari is supposed to do, to be fix on TM roster ?
When is he going to be starting the next generation ?
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we should n't count so much on the result, nor on the secound half....The NK coach, will be working on our first half video, to see what the real TM is like.
and ,considering some missing players, and correcting some mistakes, it is not a bad team.

[Doctor DOOM]

Majid jan, correctly put his finger on one of our problems:
passing without purpose.

our teams ( in the past few years ) have been passing ... JUST FOR THE SAKE OF PASSING!
there's no purpose seen in these passes, which are majorly between the 4 defenders and the def-mids !
just whiling away the time ... or as we say "raf-e takleef" !!!

just too painful to watch these periods of dumbness !

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I think apart from khalatbari, who bright in some positive movement , kia, VH , kazemian, madanchi , even at times, borhani , despite the team looking lost in most instances, did well, considering their specific circumstances

cant say that for khaili or zandi or ashoubi though.

ando was great as a DEFENDER. but he cant buy peanuts with his forward moves !!!

ashoubi, having the same role and characteristics as ando, simply got in his way .... as usually is seen in TM's moronic insistence on 2 def mids occasions!

LOL, we see some teams on TV and suddenly we think we understood their system . and then try to put 2 players in a zone and think "Ok, I've modernized TM" !!!
Hah!

again I repeat: merely the act of putting 2 players as def-mid doesnt get us anywhere .... AS SEEN IN COUNTLESS TM GAMES .

we must understand what type of players we're using and what duties we are asking them and if they can deliver those.

if we see a player like Xavi or Pierlo or ... play in that zone, we must understand they dont have the same duties & characteristics as gatusso or senna or ... !!!
one is better in defending/intercepting/blocking/tackling/physical game, while the other is better at passing/forward-moves/better vision, ... .

now, contrast that with ashoubi-ando ... !
put 2 gatusso next to each other and instaed of reinforcing ur defensive posture, you create havoc in the middle and lose the zone through ur own confusion .... AS DID HAPPEN HERE AND IS HAPPENING EVERYTIME TM TRIES THIS MORONIC FORMATION WITHOUT USING THE CORRECT PLAYERS.



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.... which brings me back to the first point of "useless passing".

could it be perhaps becoz the defenders and the def mid who comes to take the ball from them, dont have an option of a player who CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN & CREATE THINGS.

therefore, they just pass back and have negative passing till the cows come home !!!

[Doctor DOOM]

btw, I'm not judging mohamad or hajsafi based on this game's results or ... .

I based it on THE WAY THEY PLAYED in the game.
their defensive posture or how they went about their duties.

mohamad looked out of sorts and belongs to the right.
and hajsafi belong up the field and not so far deep coz his defensive posture and moves didnt look reliable or inspiring AT ALL !

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and Bahram is absolutely right.

for a nation that boasts of some really fantastically skillful midfielders , to have its nat'l team play this weak in midfield is just disgrace and shameful !!

I can imagine the forward line or defense looking weak and confused ... coz we just dont have that quality players.
but in the middle?
really?

[zzgloo]

.... which brings me back to the first point of "useless passing".

could it be perhaps becoz the defenders and the def mid who comes to take the ball from them, dont have an option of a player who CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN & CREATE THINGS.

therefore, they just pass back and have negative passing till the cows come home !!!

Mahdavikia, was the only one with pointed passes !.....,as he singnaled path of action with his passes,to the reciever.
I would balim the lack of vision ,for our players,to not know what " Passes " are supposed to be.

[Nokhodi]

I do not know, what els, khalatbari is supposed to do, to be fix on TM roster ?
When is he going to be starting the next generation ?
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we should n't count so much on the result, nor on the secound half....The NK coach, will be working on our first half video, to see what the real TM is like.
and ,considering some missing players, and correcting some mistakes, it is not a bad team.

I disagree. 2nd half is the coach's half. Although judging by our 2nd half, NK Has nothing to worry about.