China - Iran friendly

[Martin-Reza]

so a 4 man midfield with 2 forward line does not exist!
lol.
ok.
and lets play this crazy game of urs , and say ok ... the above doesnt exist. does that or shd that mean we CANT make it also?
hmm .... let me push my brain and come up with a totally revolutionary and BRAND NEW formation with 4 mids and 2 strikers.
maybe I'll have 4 def's also, coz we'd need to defend too.
EUREKA! ... got it.
I'll call it the "peyman" formation. ... oh wait. it needs numbers, right?
so .... hmmm ... lets see. I'll call it 4-4-2 then...... AS CRAZY AND WEIRD IT MAY SOUND OR LOOK !

Pretty sad counting till three is meanwhile too much for you.

A system with 2 strikers, side midfielders/wingers and a central offensive playmaker DOES NOT EXIST in the real world.

Let me repeat.

1) (One) Two strikers
2) (Two) Two side midfielders or two wingers
3) (Three) A central offensive midfielder

You can only have 2 out of those 3 things maximum in a fourback lineup.

4-4-2 flat = 1) + 2)
4-4-2 diamond = 1) + 3)

Aaaaaaah, not so hard after all .

I gave you REAL WORLD, TM-match instances and ur reply is "grab manual to football. open page 342. read second para, line 4. ... " !!!!

Those real world observations are incomplete, and then went through your head, mixed with fantaties and interpretation based on insufficient data, information and knowledge and then they come out via your fingers and onto my screen. So the outcome in the end is very far away from the reality.

And all of the coaches using a lineup with more than one central midfielder are also existant in the real world, but obviously this part of the real world is ignored by you, as your RIDICULOUS signature lineup shows.

Give it up and return to the real world you seem to like observing so much or keep on living in your dreams in which a diamond consits of 1 DM, 1 OM and two side midfielders.

[zzgloo]

payman jaan, and yashar e Aziz.............

You are both right, as niether our Midfield is as good as advertized, nor adding more midfielders would neccessarly make us strong on the midfield...

the Idea, is,..." what is the best plan against a tough,stingy,fast,oppurtunistic,conning,very defensive,counter-attacking NK " ?...which I suggested The midfield !!!..... {Where , we should "Engage " the North koreans }
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another terminology, can be said, with the example of the Boxing match, long time ago, between, " Mohammad Ali ", and " George Forman ", in which the Mohhammad ali's strategy was to stay by the corner of the ring, and invite Forman to come and attack him ( What North Korea wants to do with us )....,which it worked,and Ali knocked Forman out on his counter attack after Forman got tired.
The strategy Forman should have used, was niether to go to the Ali's corner and attack him, nor to go to his own corner and do what Ali did....Forman should have stayed in the center of the ring !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Doctor DOOM]

LLOOLLL

1- "some ppl" think the "star" player of a team is the "playmaker" !!!!
not necessarily.

2- "some ppl" may want to explain how some years ago, before the creation of 4-2-3-1, teams with one midfielder who took care of the more defensive duties STILL LOOKED STABLE !
it's not as if unless u have 2 DM's u'r not stable !!
or was it according to "some ppl" ?

so before the advent of 4-2-3-1, football all over the world was riddled with unstable teams and games with horrible defense ??
no team in the world had a stable formation and defended well ?
really ?

3- "some ppl" shd perhaps watch TM games and DISCOVER FOR THEMSELVES that we're already over-burdening rahmati as it is, and WITH 2 DM's.

but here's the kicker. having 2 def mids never relieved this pressure off him. so perhaps having an extra DM is NOT the answer and we shd look elsewhere

[Doctor DOOM]

Pretty sad counting till three is meanwhile too much for you.



Let me repeat.

1) (One) Two strikers
2) (Two) Two side midfielders or two wingers
3) (Three) A central offensive midfielder

You can only have 2 out of those 3 things maximum in a fourback lineup.

4-4-2 flat = 1) + 2)
4-4-2 diamond = 1) + 3)

Aaaaaaah, not so hard after all .

????
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 ....
what are you on about anyway ?



a team cant have 2 flank players, a centrally offensive mid and 2 strikers?
really?


what's so difficult with this to udnerstand?
team A has 2 strikers, 2 flank mid's, one offensive mid and one defensive mid.
now, if you take out ur calculator ( coz apparently this can happen !!! ) 2 ( forwards) + 4 ( midfield ), you have 6.
now, u add 4 defenders , makes 10.
and 11th is the GK.

so exctly what is impossible to have or difficult to understand?

[yashar_fasihnia]

LLOOLLL

1- "some ppl" think the "star" player of a team is the "playmaker" !!!!
not necessarily.

dont try toooo hard that u start assuming things like u always do...
luca toni is bayern's star, did i say he is a playmaker?? schweini and ribery are because they carry the offensive moves of the team (not because they are stars of the team), while they use 2 holding DMs like van bommel and ze roberto in the middle of the field.
"LOL"

2- "some ppl" may want to explain how some years ago, before the creation of 4-2-3-1, teams with one midfielder who took care of the more defensive duties STILL LOOKED STABLE !
it's not as if unless u have 2 DM's u'r not stable !!
or was it according to "some ppl" ?

some years ago, we had a much stronger defense. we had khakpour, pashazadeh, zarinche, followed by yahya and rahman rezaei....
today we have dumb and dumber in the center of our defense and a bunch of incompetent left backs.

some years ago, we had a much more dynamic, and mobile midfield with karimi, kia, nikbakht, minavand, khaziravi exploding in the middle.
today we have a bunch of slow old men in the middle who are neither as quick, nor as dynamic as before and need an extra hand to help them challenge the saudis and korean's midfield..

so before the advent of 4-2-3-1, football all over the world was riddled with unstable teams and games with horrible defense ??
no team in the world had a stable formation and defended well ?
really ?

again, a mixture of generalization and ur own made up claims.
we are talking about TM, and not world football, and TM is in a situation where 2 DM's can favour it. reasons have been mentioned, u may or not accept it, as u wish.

about the rest of the world, do me a favour and challenge the Portuguese and french national coaches who use that system... u might wanna prove they are wrong as well...

but if u want a 1 word answer, then YES! todays football in general has a stronger defense than earlier football yet, they manage to maintain their offensive strength.
in the 20s and 30's, teams used to play with no defenders and guess wat, they won and scored lots of goals!
so should we try that now??? wat was wong with that? why did they start using defenders then??

end of the day, they are coaches, they believe in certain theories of football based on their experience and knowledge, they decide wat to do. u dont like it and u think u know better? WELL TOUGH, GET USED TO IT! so unless u become the coach of TM someday, which i guess the chances are the same as me landing on the moon, u can continue and "correct" all the other TM's coaches mistakes...only on the internet though!

3- "some ppl" shd perhaps watch TM games and DISCOVER FOR THEMSELVES that we're already over-burdening rahmati as it is, and WITH 2 DM's.

but here's the kicker. having 2 def mids never relieved this pressure off him. so perhaps having an extra DM is NOT the answer and we shd look elsewhere

OUCH!!!!! "WAT A KICK! RIGHT BELOW THE BELT!! DAMN THAT HURTSSS!!! NOOO,,, I DIDNT SEE THAT COMING!!!"
yea, perhaps, if we remove andranik teymourian from the field and replace him with mohsen khalili, RAHMATI & AGHILI-HOSSEINI's jobs are gonna be easier

"LLLOOOOLL"

[yashar_fasihnia]

payman jaan, and yashar e Aziz.............
You are both right, as niether our Midfield is as good as advertized, nor adding more midfielders would neccessarly make us strong on the midfield...
the Idea, is,..." what is the best plan against a tough,stingy,fast,oppurtunistic,conning,very defensive,counter-attacking NK " ?...which I suggested The midfield !!!..... {Where , we should "Engage " the North koreans }
.................................................. ..........................
another terminology, can be said, with the example of the Boxing match, long time ago, between, " Mohammad Ali ", and " George Forman ", in which the Mohhammad ali's strategy was to stay by the corner of the ring, and invite Forman to come and attack him ( What North Korea wants to do with us )....,which it worked,and Ali knocked Forman out on his counter attack after Forman got tired.
The strategy Forman should have used, was niether to go to the Ali's corner and attack him, nor to go to his own corner and do what Ali did....Forman should have stayed in the center of the ring !!!!!!!!!!!!!

bahram agha, ur totally right.
they key is midfield. but how do u arrange a midfield to counter "tough,stingy,fast,oppurtunistic,conning,very defensive,counter-attacking NK" as u very well put?

[Martin-Reza]

????
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 ....
what are you on about anyway ?


a team cant have 2 flank players, a centrally offensive mid and 2 strikers?
really?


what's so difficult with this to udnerstand?
team A has 2 strikers, 2 flank mid's, one offensive mid and one defensive mid.
now, if you take out ur calculator ( coz apparently this can happen !!! ) 2 ( forwards) + 4 ( midfield ), you have 6.
now, u add 4 defenders , makes 10.
and 11th is the GK.

so exctly what is impossible to have or difficult to understand?

So then a team can also have 1 goalkeeper, 0 defenders, 0 midfielders and 10 strikers. What are we talking about? How to make bullshit lineups or how real lineups look like?

[zzgloo]

bahram agha, ur totally right.
they key is midfield. but how do u arrange a midfield to counter "tough,stingy,fast,oppurtunistic,conning,very defensive,counter-attacking NK" as u very well put?

yashar jaan, I am trying so hard,to explian..that it is not the matter of arrangment !
just as defensive style of NK,is not the matter of arrangment either.....NK,is playing the same arrangment as if they would have wanted an attacking posture, how ever, thier arrangment is associated with where they like to engage Iran...which they want that in thier defensive line.so with the same arrangment, they stay compact,with normal arrangment within thier defensive line..........
So, we, also, with the usual TM arrangment, stay compact in our Midfield.
In another words, we need the reduce the distance between our Defensive,midfield and Forward lines,within the first 3/4 of the field,and the emphasis,on engaging the North Koreans in the midfield.

[Doctor DOOM]

^^ LOL.
Good one.
needed a laugh.

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today's news:
apparently hajsafi's 135 minutes in LB didnt impress ghotbi , but mohamad's 45 minutes in china did ... coz the former's out and the latter's in

LOL

like I said, at this point given the consecutive screw ups we've done on almost ALL levels of this campaign, I'm ready to get a win through any means .. even if ghtobi plays 2 GK's in the line up ( which I'm sure will consolidate our defense further ).

anything, as long as we get the 3 points , is fine w me and the end justifies ANY means, whatever they may be.

[Martin-Reza]

The Mohammad in and Hajsafi out move indeed is surprising. I overall think Mohammad is a horrible player and he also showed that against China.

On the other hand all of our LB options suck, so barely anyone can be ruled out.