NKorea - Iran

[shayan20]

at time when TM only have 20 minutes to score a goal and have hope for world cup, Mr.Qotbi decides to sub In a striker for another striker who is even more useless.
funny thing we were playing with no strikers in the last couple of minutes after khalili was injured. that was just amazing.
there was a huge difference between Tm's first half performance and coach's half!

for once we should accept defeat, we never really looked like a good team in this tournament and is capable of going to WC.

[Martin-Reza]

^ Yeah, if you have a striker virtually "hanging in the air", it's barely ever the striker's fault. What is he supposed to do, run back more often to be closer to the OMs who fail to advance forward more often?

[Hajagha]

There is some thing that money can't buy...one of them is World Cup Spot.

I am officially out for supporting this team. There is no talent, no management, no system and no hope. Let's those ones who decide from "STANDS" suffer.

[Hadi]

The result was expected.

Since our very first match against Saudi, it was obvious we are simply not good enough.

Sure, our bad subs in the second half maybe cost us the 3 points, but lets face it, we have no place in the world cup.

cheers

[Kasra.]

I think Ghotbi also showed today he has no balls. He didn't have the guts to take out either Karimi or Shojaei and bringing in Khalatbari or Zandi. The same thing Ghalenoi did in AC07 2nd game group against china, taking off Karimi at halftime, subbing on Mobali (and no, I'm not saying Ghalenoi is better or whatever, just an example).

The Khalili sub was beyond me. And we didn't see something dynamic, a team that changed in attack and in defense. It was 4-5-1 the whole time. hich kas tekoon nemikhord.

[Doctor DOOM]

1- I dont give a bloody damn who "agrees with me or not".
what matters is TM shd have done well.
trust me, I wouldnt be happier if I were proved wrong but TM had played well and got the result.

I'd have been happiest if shojaei surprised me ( ONLY, apparently. coz nobody expected this ... even after his ksa game and other osasuna games !!!! go figure ! perhaps the "spain" thing BLINDS ppl ) and turned out a fine display of left wing play or right wing play ... or ANY freaking play !
but he didnt. and THAT . WAS. EXPECTED.

I'd have been happiest if our single forward did have an impact on the game and if unable to score, at least created some chances for others or assisted or .... !
But he didnt. and not becoz he is incapable of it, but becoz he was SWARMED by the korean defenders. and that totally neutralized him.
AND. THAT. WAS. EXPECTED too.

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for martin and some others who think the 2 DM did well in the first half. perhaps if you ppl actually concentrated a bit and OBSERVED the game instead of whatever you were doing, you'd notice NKorea's game plan was clearly to stay closed off in the first half and only start their thrusts in the second.

and when they decided to attack, THEY GOT THE BEST OF OUR MIDFIELD AND PUT REPEATED PRESSURE ON OUR DEFENSE ... as if we didnt have 2 players supposedly as DM's.

and AS EXPECTED , having two rather than one DM never made a difference!
and if we came off with a single point , it SURE AS HELL cant be becoz we had 2 DM's. it is ONLY becoz we had Rahmati in goal!
so when ur team is cut through AT WHIM, then your "defensive measures" mean jack sh*t.


how many times shd this be proven to you ppl to understand?
it's gone past serious. now it's become a very amusing and hilarious thing for me to see how long and how many screw-ups it takes for ppl to open their eyes.

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pathetic game reading by ghotbi :

- I think before anyone else, shojaei shd have been subbed right at the half.
bringing madanchi or khalatbari for him would have made sense.

- next shd have been karimi, who failed to do his thing. but since ghotbi sent mobaali home, he was left with the slow Zandi. but at least zandi may have provided a bit of change to the team.

- VH shd never have been taken off. he was not at fault for anything.
the team failed to support him and he was left STRANDED up front.
but since ghotbi, foolishly sent kazemian home, he restricted himself to only khalili as his only forward option.

what do all these selections and picks say?
ghotbi never got the hang of the team
never knew whom to pick and for what
never knew how to use the players
and basically had a very defensive game in mind

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and I still stand by my comments on 4-2-3-1 being INDEFENSIBLE unless one is a prized moron & retard.
I dont care if I get banned coz perhaps that's for the good.
but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
defending the indefensible, despite consecutive and repeated proof shows one's intelligence and wisdom ( or lack thereof ) only.


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and plz stop "la liga player this", "la liga player that".
THIS is what's causing half of the misery in TM's performances: "name-oriented" decisions.

who the f**k cares if X is a la liga player when he cant help the team?
why the bloody hell do you ppl care so much about the "name" of a player when his sub-par style and performances are right there for everyone to see?
khalatbari and hajsafi are playing in Iran and they would have helped the team 10 times over this "la liga player".
and dont tell me this miserable display was a surprise to you ppl.
this was discussed before ( having a deja-vu of pre and post ksa game, everyone? ) and it shd NOT have been a surprise.



much like the ksa game, many of these points were discussed and many argued and denied them.
and exactly like that ksa game, the very same points have been proven to be correct !!

not that I'm hoping to change anyone coz I stopped a long time ago. I just dont care if ppl open their eyes or not.
I guess it just shows ppl's level of intelligence

[Paradigm]

I dont understand. Why the hell didnt he bring in Khalatbari? I mean Khalili????

Yeah Khalatbari and also why not use Mobali and Kazemian??????? Ghotbi has a face book page you can leave messages for him there which he should see:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Afshin...i-/12686847836

[Doctor DOOM]

and let me add this one bit too:

ghotbi, much like the rest of Iranian coaches lost his spine and guts in the game that mattered the most.

so there is no difference between daei or ghotbi or anyone else.
and ghotbi cannot use his associations with advokaat or GuH. to say he's better than daei or X or Y.
coz they all become spineless, gutless freaking mice when the team needs courage and strength !!

[Martin-Reza]

Accept that what you demand as "guts" is nothing but suicide and therefore no coach will do it.

[mehdy]

KHALILI is a JOKE!!!!!

I said it 100000 times,why he is invited,though he injured and not play whole season!!!

Morever,VH and KIA should retire from TM at once,we neeeeeeeeeed NEW POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Many ppl blamed me when i said [Ghotbi's selection is unfair] and [Bring new power and get rid of Kia and VH].

[Paradigm]

I think Ghotbi also showed today he has no balls. He didn't have the guts to take out either Karimi or Shojaei and bringing in Khalatbari or Zandi. The same thing Ghalenoi did in AC07 2nd game group against china, taking off Karimi at halftime, subbing on Mobali (and no, I'm not saying Ghalenoi is better or whatever, just an example).
The Khalili sub was beyond me. And we didn't see something dynamic, a team that changed in attack and in defense. It was 4-5-1 the whole time. hich kas tekoon nemikhord.

^^ Mobali was not in the AC '07 under GN; check your facts. Btw the trend has been that any coach putting aside Iman will be going down really badly.

[mehdy]

Look my word from [Ghotbi's selection is unfair] thred.

Obviously

Gholami>>>>>>>>Injured and not fit Khalili (how many goals this season???)
Omranzadeh>>>>>old timer,experienced but very slow R.Rezaei

They are just his favorite players.

We should make current best team for NK,and UAE and S.Korea.

If he used KIA,VH,R.Rezaei,even Bagheri in TM's starting lineup against WC qualify match,We will not be able to go to WC 2010!!!

Plz remove such a veteran from list!

Do u rememer KSA only used Hussein Sulaimani as sub?

I can't stand it!!!

I do hope TM to beat N and S.KOREA and UAE...but we don't have new generation's power in this team.

Only Khalatbari and Borhani are my hope...

[Martin-Reza]

^^ Mobali was not in the AC '07 under GN; check your facts. Btw the trend has been that any coach putting aside Iman will be going down really badly.

Mobali played one half, as described, in AC 07.

And I could also claim any coach putting aside me will be going down really badly. Because every coach simply went down in the end, according to the majority. So you can blame it on Mobali's absence, or the weather in Southern Paraguay, makes no difference.

[Doctor DOOM]

of all the veterans, I feel I have to defend poor VH.
(and perhaps kia for the first half. not his second half.)

not even Karimi, for whom I was shouting and arguing is defensible in my view, to my utter disappointment.

ghotbi relied TOO HEAVILY on experience, which by itself isnt a very bad thing, but the METHOD of use of this experience shd have been different.

kaabi, aghili, hosseini, kia, karimi, VH, ando, nosrati, nouri are 9 out of 10 players used that fit the "experienced" category.
the only player out of this category was from another totally wrong category of "names" ; shojaei !!!

there was little energy in this team to get the job done.
and against a speedy eastern team you NEED energy. at least spread throughout the field in between ur vets.

why were hajsafi, kazemian, haydari, ... not used?
why was madanchi a forced subbing?
why was khalatbari used so late ?
you foolishly ignore & deny this amount of energy from ur team, this miserable and undeserved draw is the best u could achieve!


aghaye ghotbi, the lesson is YOU MIX IT UP.
never over-rely on one category or another ( vets vs. youth , experience vs. inexperience ) .
you MIX IT UP so you dont get stuck like a donkey in mud in the last 20 minutes of ur campaign!


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oh, btw, I think we got a far idea of nosrati's capabilities and I'm not very impressed.

he did well on a couple of occasions when he was covering for aghili , which leads me to think perhaps he's a good option for CB.

but on the LB , AS EXPECTED, he was useless and the wrong choice.
his stupid attempts at playmaking from defense was nerve wracking as much as aghili's are.
at least hosseini has other redeeming features to compensate for his lobs ( I think he's reduced his lobs too ), but neither aghili nor nosrati shd be allowed to think they can play lobs anymore.

I sincerely hope ashjari is back from injury.

although I just dont know why I'm bothering with this TM.
when we fail to win this NKorea, how can we expect to win SOUTH korea ?

idiots !

[Kasra.]

^^ Mobali was not in the AC '07 under GN; check your facts. Btw the trend has been that any coach putting aside Iman will be going down really badly.

You double check your facts.

Iman Mobali was subbed on in the game against China at half time:
http://www.teammelli.com/Games/464-IRN-CHN.htm

Iman Mobali started the match against Malaysia and got subbed of at 54th minute:
http://www.teammelli.com/Games/465-MYS-IRN.htm

I'm not saying Ghotbi should've played Mobali or not, for me it's about guts. He showed today that he lacks them.