How strong is IPL?

[gol_kuchik]

Behee Joon,

I think you and I are in completely different wave length when it comes to
basic exchange of ideas. You read whatever you like, and respond to whatever
you wish. I specifically stated in my post "local government" yet in your
response you said "U.S government". Somehow, I don't think you are that
naive not to know the difference, so I believe Shoma Khodet Ro Beh OOn
Rah mizanee.

If the team in Florida owes taxes to Federal government, that means they
must have made money! *You can not owe taxes if you had net losses
unless you did some fishy stuff*. I know of a number of teams in Baseball,
Football and yes even ice hockey who have gotten very good deals to move
to a city, or start a franchise. Please review San Jose Shark and Oakland
Raiders deal before you make claim that government (Yes, CITY OF OAKLAND
IS PART OF GOVERNMENT and SO IS CITY OF SAN JOSE).
But we don't want to get side tracked or at least I don't.


How strong is IPL? How much of the potential we see in players that
Iran can produce been realized by IPL?

When people discuss IPL, we often start by saying we don't even have
the most basic things that muct of the rest of the world takes for granted
including a good lawn.

From the above, some (like yourself) will conclude: Improvement in lawn
is all that is missing! And then prescribe sending lawn police to kick out
all the teams who don't measure up to your lawning standards.

And another group (like myself) argue, bad lawn and inadaquate facilities is
part of a much bigger *managment* issue that can not be solved under
current way that clubs are run. A proposed solution is to use the model
set forth by rest of the world. Private clubs with cooperation with local
government.

Now I don't know why some would have to make contrast between now
(a bankrupt system) with Pahlavi time (yet another backrupt system) instead
of using working models around the globe to *change* our way of doing
things, to be a lot more efficient and responsive to demand of sports and
fans.

What I know for sure, is that with the attitiude like you propose, that is
basically saying this is all we can do or this is all we deserve or this is all
we are capable of, we will not make an inch of forward progress.

Now you can recite stories about Nasserdin Shah and how soccer clubs
did not work very well back then either, but that's not addressing the
real issues nor proposing a real solution.

[BehzadB]

Somehow, I don't think you are that
naive not to know the difference, so I believe Shoma Khodet Ro Beh OOn
Rah mizanee.....


If the team in Florida owes taxes to Federal government, that means they
must have made money! *You can not owe taxes if you had net losses
unless you did some fishy stuff*.

I used the word "government of U.S" in that segment aobut Miami the wrong way. When I read that segment again, I see how one could take it as if I am saying the Federal Govrnment was after Real Estate Taxes from Joe robby. No, Fed Gov was not after him. It was the local government, the specific town that the properties are located in. what I had meant to say was that U.S goverment (the federal gov), did not (could not) help out with a dieing team. the money that Joe Robby owed was Real Estate tax (I did specify that), and it was All owed to the LOCAL Gov.

And how is it that you missed all the other times that I used the word "STATE" government, and it's "ROLE" in the paragraph after the Miami dolphins segment? I even gave you Shiraz, PP example. surly you could figure out that I had meant neither Federal nor State government "helps" a pro team. What you called "huge" help from government, I called business deals based on mutual profits. Not charity!


And tell me something, I do "khodam-o be oon rah mizanam" for what purpose? I don't undrestand these coments. I didn't ask you anything. You asked me the questions. I sense hostility.

And believe me, when it comes to Real Estate taxes, the government (the state, the town, the people in charge of collecting taxes) could not care less if you made profits or not. They collect it even if they have to sell your estate. What you are talking about is Income Tax or Capital gain tax. If you made a gain, you pay your income/ capital gain tax (Always to Federal government and sometimes to state, cuz not every state has income tax).

[BehzadB]

From the above, some (like yourself) will conclude: Improvement in lawn
is all that is missing! And then prescribe sending lawn police to kick out
all the teams who don't measure up to your lawning standards.

And another group (like myself) argue, bad lawn and inadaquate facilities is
part of a much bigger *managment* issue that can not be solved under
current way that clubs are run. A proposed solution is to use the model
set forth by rest of the world. Private clubs with cooperation with local
government.

I didn't not say that lawn is "ALL" that is missing.

I said, IF I could do ONE thing about improving the level of the game in IPL, The ONE thing that I would do is to Imporve the FIELDS (practice and Playing fields).

I never said that that's all that is needed to be done. One must be a kid not to undrestand when you want to , make a good field, you need money, plan, modeer, mas-ool .. etc (all of that means mangement).

And then I came back and added another post saying if I could do a second thing, I would choose to reduce the nubmer of sports news papers in Iran.

Naseroldeen shah Kilio-ee chandeh digeh? The story I told you was from 1355 to 1357, the best years of SHAH's economy.

Ofcourse mangement is the basic start with building anything. A pizza shop needs mangement too. but if you have good mangers graduated from Harvard Business school and you have State of the art Stadiums, facilities, but for some reason your fields are in the condition that they are in Iran, your football level will not be very high. the question was what do "YOU" do to imporve the play of the Football in IPL.

Look, you must have watched Branko's interview, he was asked about the IPL's problem (exactly the qeustions that is at hand here), . the first word out of his mouth was "infrastructure".

so when we are talking about Football and Infrastructure, what is the first thing that has to be built? A good field to play or practice on. And then you worry about building the stadium's stands, and other facilities as your budget allows you. but first, comes a good playing field. And a good practice field.

the field was so important, that BM just spend a ton of money to change the LAWN at their new stadium. Because it affects the Level of the game. The management, the stadium and everything else is state of the art, but the field was not. It was fine, but not fine enough. so they changed it.

[zzgloo]

gol-kochik e aziz, I hope I also could jump in,and it is not a bilateral discausion,here............
I also metioned there are hundereds of problems, but, it is like if one asks,how iran could be like european countries,which would have hundreds of answers...............
We, like not to poletisize this issue here.............and accepting,the currant system,and culture, and mafia system,and etc..................
the only thing, that is not idealistic at this moment, is to improve infurstructure.....and that is something that is possible with currant system...as they have done similar things with Dams " Sadhaye ab ",and have built so many...and as they have done with villages in iran.....as they have done, with highway system in tehran..etc.......
The things, you are suggesting,are actualy more fundemental.....yet, not possible with this system,,,,not possible now......and it will not take place any time soon............