How to defend a corner?

[Martin-Reza]

It's F+ and I think we alos should adress some general issues here.

One of those is how to defend a corner kick.

Assume your opponent is bringing 5 tall players into your box, having two others at the edge of the area for the second balls and, beside the one taking the corner, leaves two players near the middle line to stop counter attacks.

How do you defend? How many and which players exactly (according to your favourite lineup for Team Melli, which you can also present here) will you put in the box, at the post(s), at the edge of the area and near the middle line to counter? Will you only put 5 players against the 5 in the box, or do you add a free sixth man, eg to intercept low crosses early?

Let me know your thoughts. Try to bring a complete answer, this will also help thinking about balance in a team, here between tall and fast players for example.

[Doctor DOOM]

is it a GENERAL question or is it SPECIFICALLY RELATED to TM ?

coz what "a" team shd do may not be what our TM needs to do. as seen in many other issues too.

so which is it?

[Martin-Reza]

I think general is not too far away from TM's situation in that case, but why not describe both and then elaborate on the differences? Could be interesting.

If you want to make it short (I guess you don't ), you can stick to TM. It's probably more interesting and exemplary to have a specific case.

May I also ask if that is an issue you specificly look at during football matches or something you didn't pay much attention to in the past?

[Doctor DOOM]

well, I look at how we TAKE them much mroe than how we DEFEND in them.

whay I said in general or specific, coz our players are far from STANDARDS used in all ur magazines & articles and we just cant compare.

for example, when our best DM, nekunam, repeatedly fails to stick to his mark and loses sight of him, then you know we're way out of those standards.

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first of all it all depends on the opponents as each one is different from the other.

DEFENSE:
I can say each person keeps to his mark or such rudimentary statements that everyone will come up with so, I'll refrain from these.

I think knowing how our defense is sooraakh on balls coming from flanks ( whether set pieces or crosses in the run of play ) as kindly demonstrated by the saudi clubs and nat team, we can at least reduce the danger of goal by keeping ppl on both posts.

and yes, it is always better to keep someone in between 6 and 18 yard line in case someone wants to sneak in a low cross or for a tap in.

OFFENSE:

arrangement:
in our offense though we need to go for BOTH posts + another beyond the second post + a player in the semicircle and definitely & absolutely 1 or 2 players waiting for second balls, covering the area outside the box.

the player BEYOND the second post can always sneak in undetected and score or pass inside the crowd or shoot ( nekunam's goal against ksa in ksa ).

crosses:
I can say I'd love those fast, LOW crosses much more than those "bezan ziresh" elliptical high balls that take 3 minutes to come down. but who am I kidding? we hardly use good crossers in our line ups !

not too close to the keeper.
but I doubt our players are great in shooting on the fly, so I guess we shdnt try those sudden passes to outside 18 for a hammer shot either!


and some other things that I'll add as I can think of, later on.

( you see how different it is when we try to adapt things to IRANIAN standards and players ? )

[Martin-Reza]

I just rewind the tape a bit and watched the final two corners from North Korea. They had 5 players in the box first and then 4. Each time we had 6 players in the box, 2 on the goalline (covering both posts) and one standing at the edge of the area (but more to the side than in center).

The 10th field player was out of sight, seemingly waiting for a counter.

This actually left one or two players at the edge of the area completely uncovered.

Also it barely allowed us to counter.

I must say I can understand why Daei didn't put a player on the far post. 1-1 at home for him meant we rather need to score from a couter, need to win, than to waste a counter chance in order to prevent the unlikely case of a good header exactly towards the far post. Bad luck for him and us exactly that occured .

Many German coaches do that as well (as the football magazines I read tell me ), arguing overall in the end you will score more goals on counters than you concede at the far post. However, as seen, in a single game it can have bad consequences.

[Doctor DOOM]

aah ... but again, we shd get into SPECIFIC SITUATIONS.

defending a corner against NKorea is not similar to doing it vs ksa.

ksa players in the two week run up to the azadi game, showed they are deadly on crosses and corners against ss, saba, pp and sepahan .
that shd have been a dead give-away to daei to be MORE diligent in these situations and perhaps put guys on the posts too.
and strictly instruct our midfielders to mark their man with their lives. coz I think our mids are the ones who allowed their mark to get a free header or cause trouble. much mroe than our defenders.


but vs nkorea, a team that is NOT as effective or dangerous on these crosses and corners, but has very quick players, it may not be a bad idea to keep an extra 1 or 2 players for the counters to make numerical advantage in our attacks.

that's why I said depend on each opponent

[Martin-Reza]

^ So you propose to defend a corner by KSA with 9-10 men when it's 1-1 at home and yet accuse the coach of not having guts? Where are your balls?

[persianallstars]

^ So you propose to defend a corner by KSA with 9-10 men when it's 1-1 at home and yet accuse the coach of not having guts? Where are your balls?

lol it's just ridiculous

[Doctor DOOM]

^ So you propose to defend a corner by KSA with 9-10 men when it's 1-1 at home and yet accuse the coach of not having guts? Where are your balls?

dont be ridiculous.
I think there's something in austrian water that does things to one's perceptions & eyes when reading things ( or watching football games ?? )

who said put 9-10 ppl?
really. you guys shd lay off the tap water for some time.
try bottled water from elsewhere


come to Kuala Lumpur and you can have clear water with NO hallucinogens

[Martin-Reza]

Well, you want your 5-6 men in the box, one on each post and will most likely need at least one at the edge of the area, realistically 2. I don't know how you are supposed to find 2 players to counter. The man on the far post is for a wimp, a gutsy coach plays without that one. And that rather against KSA at home than against Korea in an away game.

You got what you want, so don't cry about that now. Or quit you "balls are the solution to all shortcomings" theory.

[persianallstars]

actually I would order the same drink you enjoyed yesterday, Doc :-)

[Doctor DOOM]

Well, you want your 5-6 men in the box, one on each post and will most likely need at least one at the edge of the area, realistically 2. I don't know how you are supposed to find 2 players to counter. The man on the far post is for a wimp, a gutsy coach plays without that one. And that rather against KSA at home than against Korea in an away game.

You got what you want, so don't cry about that now. Or quit you "balls are the solution to all shortcomings" theory.

yeah, that's for a wimp.
just ask ss and sepahan about how wimpy it is to keep a man in far post.
or ask ksa in our first game how stupid it is to keep a man on the far post !!
hahahahaha

we're back to the quicksand scenario, again

again, stay away from tap water.
and READ what ppl write and dont hallucinate your own answers.
my invitation to K.L. still holds
coz god knows what else that austrian water does to one's mind !

[Martin-Reza]

Yeah, Arlington water is better. Makes double standard it seems. When something goes wrong it's always lack of guts, never too much of it.

[persianallstars]

Yeah, Arlington water is better. Makes double standard it seems. When something goes wrong it's always lack of guts, never too much of it.

[leviathan]

I think marking for corners is the same for TM or any other team.
with a few variations depending on which region you are from.

Goalie covers the far post and penalty box.
A defender covers the near post
A defender if needed stand near the coner flag to avoid ground short passes

And every opponent gets marked.

No body should be left unmarked.
The defending markers must dynamically move with who they are marking.

Important rule one: Defenders must communicate with Goal keeper closely so that they don't jump for a ball he is going to control.

Important rule two:when the corner is taken and the ball comes flying,
DO NOT JUST FOLLOW THE PATH OF THE BALL WITH YOUR EYES!
WATCH THE OPPONENTS AS WELL TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE MOVING TO AND KEEP MARKING THEM.