Ghotbi on the one-striker issue

[BehzadB]

Martin,

you need to back off Doctor doom.. he knows Iranian footballers , their weaknesses and strength better than the likes of those who actually play and coach the freaking game in Iran..

Only if Ciro, Ivankovic, Daie, ghotbi, played more Xbox games.. we would have had a team that scores and wins every game.. just like we did in AC 2007.. (We played with 2 Forwards there, and therefore won the championship)..

all the problems with our TM is that the coach doesn't do what Doctor doom says here on PFDC..

sorry DD, I have lost a lot of respect for you after all the insults I have received from you ..

Either Ghotbi , Daie, Branko, Vingada and all those guys around the world who use 4.2.3.1 system are morons, fools and RETARDS,(as you put it and stood by it) .. OR, you are.. take a pick!!

[Hajagha]

http://www.persianfootball.com/index...=2075&Itemid=2



I guess some disagree. Opinions please.

4-2-3-1:

Watch Barca, ManU, Inter, Liverpool, Arsenal...

4-4-2:

Watch ManU when Tevez is in.

Remember, in new generation of attacking palyers, we have no wingers, the wing are covered by left and right backs. So, No Madanchi, Kazemian, Kia style of playing.

[Mr.Good]

The argument against 4-2-3-1 I hear here remind me of the days Ciro wanted to try a 4 back system and then later in Branko's time when he implemented it. Then every Karshenas and Goh-shenas in Iran was saying that a 4-back system does not work with Iranian players and we should play a 3-5-2.

[Martin-Reza]

u sure u r 28 and not 13 ?

Well, what I said would be the logical consequences of your claim.

Are you getting afraid of your own courage now? Afraid of the implications of your claims?

Where is the problem? You say you are right on the tactical system and Ghotbi is wrong. So taken this as given, saying that TM would be better off with your input on that matter is nothing childish but logical.

[Hajagha]

poor ghotbi seems confused !!

he thinks just becoz a team like holland plays 4-2-3-1 and wins games, ANY team with ANY set of players will get the same result !!!!

Is Holand plays N.Korea with that system?

Or is Iran play that system against Brazil?

Well, I even apply this system for my U-16 team and it's quite effective.

My suggestion is getting out, put the boots on and kick some balls around, you will see formation doesn't win the game, it's the team who win it.

[Doctor DOOM]

to behzad:

perhaps going over the SEQUENCE of posts would enlighten both of us who tried to insinuate certain things, ok?

btw, believe it or not, not only I dont have an XBOX , I dont even play video games. so I'm sorry if your attempt to belittle my views by basing them on what a person sees(/learns?) in a video game fell flat on its face !!

perhaps next time you shd first ask me if I play video games or xbox , and then derive conclusions my friend.


and perhaps when we exaggerate someone's views by taking them to the extremes, we shd ALSO have the capacity to take some too.
as the age old saying goes; if you dish it out, then make sure you can take it too.

[BehzadB]

......... you will see formation doesn't win the game, it's the team who win it.

that's what I have been trying to tell him for 2 years.. but he has been infatuated with Satar Zareh and why this player or why not that player..

[Hajagha]

If you are a football player, you feel the following on the pitch:

When you play with 4 backs, there is a big gap in center of the field for winning 50/50 balls and supporting the ball holder. To overcome this you need to bring outside mid's a bit to the center to control the field. So, you can't have classic wingers.

[BehzadB]

to behzad:

perhaps going over the SEQUENCE of posts would enlighten both of us who tried to insinuate certain things, ok?

btw, believe it or not, not only I dont have an XBOX , I dont even play video games. so I'm sorry if your attempt to belittle my views by basing them on what a person sees(/learns?) in a video game fell flat on its face !!

perhaps next time you shd first ask me if I play video games or xbox , and then derive conclusions my friend.


and perhaps when we exaggerate someone's views by taking them to the extremes, we shd ALSO have the capacity to take some too.
as the age old saying goes; if you dish it out, then make sure you can take it too.

DD, don't play with the words .. you came out right after North Korea game and said anyone that defends 4.2.3.1 system is a Moron, a fool, an idiot and a RETARD.. and then here you say I stand by it. this is after you had been going back and forth with Martin-Reza and me and maybe a few others about the formation..

I came to your thread and said "emotions are getting the best of you", but didn't say anything else, even though it was my right to give it right back to you with the same remarks..

Now you come here and cry foul because your ideas were belittled??.. so what that your ideas were belittled.. no one insulted you personally. If you feel upset that your ideas get belittled, don't post them.

[Doctor DOOM]

The argument against 4-2-3-1 I hear here remind me of the days Ciro wanted to try a 4 back system and then later in Branko's time when he implemented it. Then every Karshenas and Goh-shenas in Iran was saying that a 4-back system does not work with Iranian players and we should play a 3-5-2.

change is good.
introducing modern football is very good.

what some of us seem to mistake it with is the TIMING of these overtures and upheavals.

everything has its time and place.
not in the middle of a campaign and not when the results mean so much.


you cant effect such a change unless you have worked on it and have developed the players for it.
the UNANSWERED question is which one of all you "defenders of the faith" seem to think we HAVE the right players for this formation?

most glaring and obvious post is the striker's post.
which one of you ppl who seem to be agitated by questioning of this formation, thinks we have even a SINGLE striker in Iran who can deliver the duties of this post?

your ( not you only ) repeated & continued silence means only one thing.

so plz spare with with all ur mass protests of indignation as if someone has accused u ppl of murder.


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to hajagha.

true. I have said it as well as martin and others.
unless the player runs and is fit , numbers on a piece of paper dont mean jack.

but apparently this memo hasnt reached the TM players and unfortunately , whether we like it or not, WE ARE STUCK WITH THIS LOT OF PLAYERS, who dont run as hard as they shd, who are not as fit as they shd, who dont have all the qualities and capabilities as they shd and ..... we can go on.

so when we're faced with such material, let us not complicate matters EVEN MORE by trying out complex formations and expect highly difficult tasks from them.
see the point now?

sometimes SIMPLICITY is the key to success.
if you're a business man you'd know exactly what I'm saying.

[Hajagha]

unless the player runs and is fit , numbers on a piece of paper dont mean jack.

....
see the point now?

I don't. I mean you are right about our players' fitness.

What's your point to write so much while our players are not even fit?

hehehe, I remember, I reduced my formation for my U-12 to two lines, back and forward. There was no mid. Why? bcz they couldn't kick the ball more than 15 meters.

[Doctor DOOM]

DD, don't play with the words .. you came out right after North Korea game and said anyone that defends 4.2.3.1 system is a Moron, a fool, an idiot and a RETARD.. and then here you say I stand by it. this is after you had been going back and forth with Martin-Reza and me and maybe a few others about the formation..

I came to your thread and said "emotions are getting the best of you", but didn't say anything else, even though it was my right to give it right back to you with the same remarks..

Now you come here and cry foul because your ideas were belittled??.. so what that your ideas were belittled.. no one insulted you personally. If you feel upset that your ideas get belittled, don't post them.

and I said I still stand by my belief that using that formation means lack of intellect, simply based on past records.
perhaps you shd take a few steps back from that also to see how some of us try to use "oh, you're not a coach, so you dont know" kind of reasoning to counter questions on the use of this.

perhaps you shd go further back to read some of the smug posts that basically say "unless you're a coach ur opinion doesnt carry anything" ... as if we're talking about nuclear fission material ! LOL
but I roll with it coz it's a 2 way street and I can take it just as well as dish it.

but the basic thing is you either find objection with the comments or the words used.
words used are in heat of the moment, but the core stays the same and I stand by them even now.


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you seem to have missed a LOT of comments from the other side in various threads.

[Doctor DOOM]

to expound on what I replied to Mrgood:

how many of you ppl actually think our players deliver the tasks and duties of 4-2-3-1 well?

how many players and which players?

this is crucial in arriving at a conclusion to this argument.

[BehzadB]

and I said I still stand by my belief that using that formation means lack of intellect, simply based on past records.
perhaps you shd take a few steps back from that also to see how some of us try to use "oh, you're not a coach, so you dont know" kind of reasoning to counter questions on the use of this.

perhaps you shd go further back to read some of the smug posts that basically say "unless you're a coach ur opinion doesnt carry anything" ... as if we're talking about nuclear fission material ! LOL
but I roll with it coz it's a 2 way street and I can take it just as well as dish it.

but the basic thing is you either find objection with the comments or the words used.
words used are in heat of the moment, but the core stays the same and I stand by them even now.


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you seem to have missed a LOT of comments from the other side in various threads.

Peyman, you can keep playing with the words all you want. Act as if you don't understand what I am saying.. and this is the last time I repeat this.

YOU, called ME and MARTIN-REZA, fools, morons, and RETARDS.. simply because we don't agree with you on your opinion about formation..

Shame on you.

[toofan]

players lime mobali and kazemian has earned names for themselves at uae, i
wonder if ghotbi is gonna use them for the fact that they know uae football best.