A few issues on our TM and WCQ's

[Doctor DOOM]

1- now who's twisting the words?
read my post before replying.
I'd liek to see WHERE I said "sepahan can walk over japanese or ... " LOL

but hey, if we dont have anything to say, it's ok.
we dont have to. there's no gun to our head.


2- the proof is there for all to see, how we've fared against int'l opposition.
not only clubs but at TM levels also.

lol ... you're actually trying to say we have done well in our offense? coz anything aside from this, you'd be agreeing with me.




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at martin:

apart from some really hilarious remarks, I came across the rather sad attempt to change the whole purpose of this argument.

in simple kiddie language:
ur tactics and system hasnt resulted in us garnering enough wins and goals.
if that doesnt bother you, then we have far deeper problems to worry about.

and yes, balls is what we have lacked in our approach. that's why your idol crumbled IN AZADI against a weakened ksa, which by all logic we shd have over-ran.

balls is what we lacked when in the beginning of the campaign we shd have approached it like the koreans, aiming to get the most points from earlier games, rather than postponing our thrust to later stages where we'd end up needing favors from other teams.

you seem to like that , others dont have to.
sometimes, a little show of daring goes a long way. try it for once . it wont hurt.

as for nuclear fission ... oh, sorry, football tactics , I stand my ground.
I dont think football is such a complex matter to understand, neither are its tactics.
that's why it is the globe's most favorite sport. becoz it is EASY TO GRASP.
we are talking about simple matters here and are NOT going so deep into the "science".
and the simplest way I can put this is that we're trying to use something we dont have the tools to implement.
in ur scientific football manual there could be a lot of stuff written on virtues of this and vices of that. BUT NONE OF THAT CHANGES THE REALITY OF TM & IRANIAN FOOTBALL!


take it or leave it.

I'm sure you and your kind must have been orgasmic seeing greece win the euro champs.
well, I say to each his own.
that show of NEGATIVITY didnt do anything to me, except utter disgust and disappointment

however, I have POSITIVE examples to bring balance to the ugly world of negative, defensive football. teams like barca.
and not only when they win. even if they dont win, they satisfy me.

[Martin-Reza]

ur tactics and system hasnt resulted in us garnering enough wins and goals.
if that doesnt bother you, then we have far deeper problems to worry about.

The best system and tactics also won't make UAE gathering the necessary points.

What you say is like saying with Rahmati in goal we didn't get the right results, so we must replace him. And not only that, but to claim a conventional goalkeeper has not brought us further, therefore we should try a kangaroo.

You might think I am joking now, but what you are saying is 1:1 the same logic I am describing here.

[yashar_fasihnia]

it is NOT karimi that we're talking about. names do not matter and you know that.
it is having a PLAYMAKER in that post.
now if karimi cant do it or isnt fit enough, well use another playmaker .

the principle stays the same.

karimi was ur own solution! and u who claims to know where TM problems lie, should also make a valid solution, otherwise why should ur argument be worthy?

and any other playmaker we have will be the same problem as karimi. neither shojaei nor zandi do any more running than karimi!

again, you keep defense in mind and say this suits us.
yes ... when we're playing brazil.

but when we need to score goals and win?
again, the whole purpose of the thread is ignored or avoided !

and u keep scoring goals in mind.
yes... when we are playing maldives.

winning isnt limited to scoring goals.
its a combination of more scoring and less conceding.

no. it is not ONLY the formation.
there are many factors leading to that.
but just becoz we are not having great goal scorers it shd not mean we decide "lets make it EVEN MORE difficult to score or for us to win" !!!

try a more simplistic formation, that may relieve a little pressure off the strikers or front players and that may even lead to better performances.

but insisting on something we KNOW isnt helping in our scoring or winning games will NEVER result in some magical transformation of reality or fifa rules to suddenly allot 3 points to those teams that dont concede goals !

our only way of covering up for our lack of pace, lack of dynamism, mediocre and slow defense and using so many attacking midfielders is playing like this.

playing a 4-4-2 with a slow and lethargic midfield, an even slower and mediocre defense and a collection of strikers who cant place the ball behind the net is not a very crystal clear and obvious solution like u make it sound. hence, the 4-2-3-1 is a very justifiable formation given the current team.

I dont know what u mean by not using our strongest weapon.
first of all neku is a DM in 4-2-3-1 as well as 4-4-2. so he can do the same things he does in the other. in both, his defensive characteristic is the priority.

and leaving the best for last,
this part explains it all. i am done with this discussion!

P.S. nekounam regularly adds to the box for headers or finds himself behind the box during the game or create space for his team mates by moving up in the game, which makes him a very dangerous weapon for us, and not only dangerous on set pieces like u claim.

[Martin-Reza]

as for nuclear fission ... oh, sorry, football tactics , I stand my ground.
I dont think football is such a complex matter to understand, neither are its tactics.
that's why it is the globe's most favorite sport. becoz it is EASY TO GRASP.
we are talking about simple matters here and are NOT going so deep into the "science".

As I said, it doesn't need a genius to figure out the basics, but by avoiding to educate yourself with some basic football "literature", you will always remain unable to capture those basics.

Ok, you're in the US, what football mags are available for you? Give it a try for some weeks or months. In worst case you learn nothing, in best case you start realizing something about tactics and systems.

I didn't know too much about football tactics before I was regulary reading kicker and listening to mostly German football experts explaining different issues on TV as well.

What's a half-position, what is a 3+1 or how is a fullback best integrated into the build-up? Issues you should read about before making accusations against pro coaches.

[Doctor DOOM]

as usual, aside from absurd attempts to distort words or feeble attempts at humor (change rahmati !! ) , the other issues like playmaker and choices, weak defense, "literature VS. what we see in reality" , or ... I have expressed my views clearly in many threads and posts right here in F+.
I feel this is becoming a cycle ( back to score/concede !! ) , so while you guys want to go on repeating and going round n round, I inform you that I dont enjoy going round n round.

either a valid argument is brought forth or you can stop wasting ur time repeating stuff and search for all those answers in the other threads.

[Doctor DOOM]

چهارشنبه روز مرگ و زندگي فوتبال ايراني است. روزي كه در صورت پيروزي يا حتي مساوي در آن ممكن است به ادامه راه حضور در مقدماتي جام*جهاني 2010 اميدوار بمانيم ولي شكست در اين مسابقه بدون توجه به نتيجه ديدار عربستان- كره شمالي به معني پايان اميدها و حسرتي چهار ساله بر دل تيم ملي خواهد بود.

چهارشنبه با كره جنوبي بازي داريم، تيمي كه از دو بازي قبل، صعودش براي هفتمين بار به جام*جهاني مسجل شده و بدون استرس و به گفته سرمربي*اش براي كمك به همسايه شمالي وارد ميدان مي*شود، ضمن اينكه جنوبي*ها به دليل سابقه رقابتي كه با فوتبال ايران دارند،* حداقل براي ثبت در تاريخ هم نمي*خواهند مقابل تيم ملي ما كم بياورند و به همين خاطر به نظر مي*رسد آنها با تمام قوا وارد ميدان شوند تا سابقه شكست ناپذيري خانگي در عرصه*هاي رسمي مقابل ايران را حفظ كنند. البته آنها يك بار، 38 سال پيش در يك ديدار دوستانه در سئول مغلوب ايران شده*اند ولي در هيچ چارچوب رسمي شكستي در خانه مقابل تيم ملي ايران متحمل نشده*اند.

چهارشنبه براي تيم ملي حكم مرگ و زندگي دارد و كوچكترين اشتباهي مي*تواند بهاي جبران ناپذير عدم صعود به جام*جهاني 2010 را در پي داشته باشد. ملي*پوشان كشورمان و همچنين كادرفني بايد به اين نكته توجه كنند كه گرچه كره*جنوبي مثل امارات خيالش راحت است و انگيزه* ويژه*اي در راه صعود به جام*جهاني ندارد ولي تفاوت دو تيم آنقدر زياد است كه تقريبا هيچ مثالي در موردش نمي*توان زد. مقابل امارات ما در تهران و پيش روي تماشاگران خودي بازي مي*كرديم ولي در كره*جنوبي حداقل 60 هزار چشم بادامي پرسروصدا با طبل و جيغ*هاي خود انتظارمان را مي*كشند. اگر مقابل امارات صاحب بيش از 10 فرصت گلزني شديم و با سخاوت هرچه تمام*تر فقط يك بار با خلاقيت كريمي به گل رسيديم، تصور اينكه فقط يك سوم اين فرصت*ها هم در سئول نصيب تيم ملي شود كار چندان راحتي نيست. فراموش نكنيم كه به رغم دو بازي پشت سر گذاشته شده تيم ملي با هدايت افشين قطبي هنوز به تركيب ايده*آل خود دست نيافته است. دليل اين مدعا هم ضعف جناحين خط هافبك ماست. بدون اغراق مهدي مهدوي*كيا با وجود تخصص در ارسال*هاي زيبا و مواج اكنون آن گوش راست سرعتي سابق نيست و در سمت چپ هم مسعود شجاعي گويا تمام ويژگي*هاي مثبت خود را در پامپلونا جا گذاشته و طي اين دو بازي حتي درصدي از آن مسعود خلاق، سريع و تكنيكي هم نبوده است. ضمن اينكه بدون تعارف از بابت يك نوك حمله فرصت طلب كه ضربه نهايي را با دقت بزند به شدت مشكل داريم و هاشميان و برهاني نتوانسته*اند در اين دو مسابقه عصاي دست قطبي شوند.

اينها را نمي*نويسيم كه دل مردم و هواداران تيم ملي را خالي كنيم، چون در عين حال روي نيمكت نفراتي چون، خلعتبري را داريم كه با حضورش مي*تواند كيفيت خط مياني را عوض كند يا معدنچي و زندي كه مي*توانند با خلاقيت خود منشا تحولات مثبت باشند.