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[maij]

Damet Garm Majid jan.
I will certainly contact you once I am done my degree, if not for job advice, then a nice meal with the other Iranians we have in Bahrain who are on PFDC. I remember 3 or 4 other members from Bahrain besides you on this site. Global, Fareed, Bigbird, ali_karimi_8 and some others.

My father was recently in Bahrain for a conference and afterwards he was also shown around the capital by a Iranian Bahraini. The host was complaining how Saudis come to the country, visit restaurants and bars (often owned by Persian Bahrainis) and get drunk to the point that he has to kick them out of the restaurant!

Your Dad was in Bahrain , how nice. You should have informed me , I hope his host showed him around the Island.

Yes , we do suffer from those retarded morons across the water
who come over in the weekends for a good time. Needless to say that many of them had a jolly good beating from the locals , when required.

[Mr.Click]

Indeed a little PC icon on the left of your screen is very powerful.

I presume the IR can't have problems tracking down Mr Click after all.

[leviathan]

Majid jaan,
Please visit this thread...

http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...=79073&page=10

Did shah really give away Bahrain? what is the history of this?

[maij]

Majid jaan,
Please visit this thread...

http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...=79073&page=10

Did shah really give away Bahrain? what is the history of this?

I read a few posts , and I must say , Iraj Jan , that I have no interest in posting or discussion with such level of knowledge. I don't want to sound arrogant , but it always pisses me off when I hear people judging on situation where they have so little or minimal of knowledge ....hence my signature

Anyway , the statement that Shah has given away Bahrain is nothing short of a myth. If we want to discuss historical claims then Iran should also claim all of the Middle East countries , all of the Asian Ex Soviet Republics , and half of Europe (Eastern Europe).



Turkey can also claim the same , if such legitimacy exists. Of course Greece and Turkey or even Mongolia can lay claim to the whole of Iran as part of their lands because they ruled Iran for many years.


Where do you draw the line ?

I believe the Shah of Iran has done the right thing in 1971. Even at those days , the advents of military occupations of lands and properties , were bygone history . YES , Iran ruled Bahrain for many decades , but so did the Portuguese , The Brits , Turks and even Oman . Iran's claim of Bahrain was handled quite diplomatically , sensibly and legally when the Imperial government escalated the issue to the United Nation to be the arbitrator. As a results of Iranian claims the UN ran a referendum in Bahrain amongst the stakeholders , the result of which was that the absolute majority of the population wanted independence. Iran accepted that , so did the other nations.


On the other hand , Iran took over the 3 Islands of Abu Musa , Tomb Bozorgh and Tomb Kuchick at the entrance of the Persian Gulf , which the British have occupied and unsuccessfully wanted to attach it to the Emirate of Sharjah. No serious objections , apart from a few noises in Arab countries , was shown by the real players like USA , UK and even Saudi Arabia.

[leviathan]

Thank you. That was very informative I did not know how Bahrain gained their independence via UN.

Imperial government escalated the issue to the United Nation to be the arbitrator. As a results of Iranian claims the UN ran a referendum in Bahrain amongst the stakeholders , the result of which was that the absolute majority of the population wanted independence. Iran accepted that , so did the other nations.

I am not sure why Britain let go of bahrain. The Brits usually do not leave a country they rule unless they completely exhaust their resources.

[Ali Chicago]

Agha Majid lives there and know more for sure. Just one thing though, the former king never accepted or would have accpeted the arbitration of a referundum as final.

Former regime was a lion and brave when it came to weaker countries but against stronger countries like Britain and others at least during late 1950 it was a totally different story.

Iranian army (Lashghare guard) fought in Omman against the marxist opposition in favor of Omman King, for the so called "national interest of Iran", but let go of Bahrain based on a referumdum.???!!!


As for the presence of Iran in Persian Gulf, it goes back to the Safavid and before portugeese capture certain islands there. These islands were part of Iran and it is very different for Majid's claim (that since Iran during the cyrus ruled India, we have to capture it or Greek during Selukids rule Iran, so they have to claim Iran). Iran as a country on the northern shores of Persian gulf has legitimate national interest in the Persian gulf. Time will show if the King's decision to give up Bahrain eventually will lead to Sharjeh with the support of Gulf cooperation to dispute Tunbs and Abu Musa and eventually endanger our influence over the strategic staright of Hormuz.

I don't want to turn this into Shah vs. Anti Shah. I am specifically talking about this one decision and how Iran's government at the time, might have made a strategic mistake. Time will show.

[maij]

Thank you. That was very informative I did not know how Bahrain gained their independence via UN.



I am not sure why Britain let go of bahrain. The Brits usually do not leave a country they rule unless they completely exhaust their resources.

The British decided to pull back their troops from so-called East of Suez region. Whether this was economical or political move , I am not too sure.

[maij]

Agha Majid lives there and know more for sure. Just one thing though, the former king never accepted or would have accpeted the arbitration of a referundum as final.

Former regime was a lion and brave when it came to weaker countries but against stronger countries like Britain and others at least during late 1950 it was a totally different story.

Iranian army (Lashghare guard) fought in Omman against the marxist opposition in favor of Omman King, for the so called "national interest of Iran", but let go of Bahrain based on a referumdum.???!!!


As for the presence of Iran in Persian Gulf, it goes back to the Safavid and before portugeese capture certain islands there. These islands were part of Iran and it is very different for Majid's claim (that since Iran during the cyrus ruled India, we have to capture it or Greek during Selukids rule Iran, so they have to claim Iran). Iran as a country on the northern shores of Persian gulf has legitimate national interest in the Persian gulf. Time will show if the King's decision to give up Bahrain eventually will lead to Sharjeh with the support of Gulf cooperation to dispute Tunbs and Abu Musa and eventually endanger our influence over the strategic staright of Hormuz.

I don't want to turn this into Shah vs. Anti Shah. I am specifically talking about this one decision and how Iran's government at the time, might have made a strategic mistake. Time will show.

I don't think that it was a strategical mistake at all. Iran had a lot to lose in invading Bahrain , while not gaining much economically or politically.

[zzgloo]

1-Giveing up Bahrain was a major blunder.....,....refrendum or not.....who cares what refrendums say....nobody does......China does not care with Tebet, canada does not with Quebec,United states did not with Hawai nor port e rico, Russia did not with Chechen,spain does not with Barcelona-basque-catalan,area,...United Kingdom does not with Northern island,or Fukland islands,.turkey and greece with Cypres.......etc,etc....it could simply taken as foreign interfierance....

2-I wonder what the case was with Afganistan....which they also got thier independence from US,not too long ago as well.........

3- The most important issue, now, is the Caspian sea...........and how come our 50% turned 8% ?....why the presidents of these new countries do not recangnize treaties among Iran and USSR,but do recagnize treaties that USSR got those countries from us in the first place ?.......Our loss in Caspian sea,is far greater than afganistan or Bahrain.

[maij]

1-Giveing up Bahrain was a major blunder.....,....refrendum or not.....who cares what refrendums say....nobody does......

That is one hell of a statement !!!

[zzgloo]

That is one hell of a statement !!!

majid jaan.....
why Canada does not give independence to Quebec ?
Why so many other countries I mentioned in my previouse post do not ?...very democratic countries indeed !
Why turkey , Iraq, Iran, do not give independence to " Kordistan "....
The Korish people have had far more legitimecies for independence than bunch of tent-liveing, bahrainies !!...Korish culture is older than persians in those lands .....
The answer is, .....The land does not just belong to the people who may be liveing there....is also belongs to the greater people of the country whom have had common history and common past,and common sacrifises....
for example, so many people ,Iranian people have died liberating "Khoozestan " from sadam....,and same sacrifizing for 3 thousand years,by people of this land......you just can not give it all away,for the currant residents !!!

[maij]

majid jaan.....
why Canada does not give independence to Quebec ?
Why so many other countries I mentioned in my previouse post do not ?...very democratic countries indeed !
Why turkey , Iraq, Iran, do not give independence to " Kordistan "....
The Korish people have had far more legitimecies for independence than bunch of tent-liveing, bahrainies !!...Korish culture is older than persians in those lands .....
The answer is, .....The land does not just belong to the people who may be liveing there....is also belongs to the greater people of the country whom have had common history and common past,and common sacrifises....
for example, so many people ,Iranian people have died liberating "Khoozestan " from sadam....,and same sacrifizing for 3 thousand years,by people of this land......you just can not give it all away,for the currant residents !!!

I don't want to get into politics here , but your statement saying "nobody cares" is quite surprising , to be honest.

The referendum process which was agreed upon by the parties concerned as an arbitration tool and was carried out by the United Nation with full backing of all the stakeholders like Britain , USA and Saudi Arabia, and you are telling me "Who cares " !!!!

[zzgloo]

I don't want to get into politics here , but your statement saying "nobody cares" is quite surprising , to be honest.

The referendum process which was agreed upon by the parties concerned as an arbitration tool and was carried out by the United Nation with full backing of all the stakeholders like Britain , USA and Saudi Arabia, and you are telling me "Who cares " !!!!

Yes...majid jaan....who cares !, ....Britain ?.......or USA ?....who are they tell others to put refrandums ?......what did Britain did with the fulkland island refrandum ?....did they care ? or the Northern Island ?.....did United nations and other countries set refrendum ?..did Britian allow it ?.....
same with USA with hawaii..and Canada with Quebec...in Quebec %85 want independence..........what about Kordish people ...why United states does not set a refrendum for " Kordistan " ?... ...the list is too big to mention, of sections of some countries whoes residences want independence......
Why USA, Britain,and United nations set Refrendum for ..." Palestain " ???????????????????????...because, Refrendum is not accepted as ligitimate way for independecy !!!
No body cares !.........No country allows to be parted just for refrendum !
hence.....no body cares,about Refrendum........The land with Thousands years of History and multy level values,is different than , getting a " Ban on smoking ",which a refrendum may be suficient for.
majid jaan......I understand your noble democratic view...but it is not accepted in today's poletics !....
You would see such Refrendums only in colonies or small countries whoes governments are cotroled by foreign hands such " East Timour "........
A soverngn country ,specialy today's pletics would never ever allow independence ,just for Refrendum, and would never " care " what others think...because it is matter of internal interest and concern of the whole country as a whole...and even a government is not allowed to allow independence..because the matter is far more Important ,than Refrendums.