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**Irandoost** · 04-15-2006, 01:58 PM

Doctor Doom ?
Why do you hate so much Branco Ivankovic ?
What is so important my friend ?

**Kaveh Ahangar** · 04-15-2006, 02:26 PM

Doctor DOOM aziz,

First of all may I commend you on speaking the truth as an honest fan who is quite obviously disappointed by TM's lack of progress and worrying weaknesses.

You are right that Branko does often give evasive and indirect answers to questions, I have seen this is many of his interviews. However, we must realise that the poor man is caught in a real Catch-22 situation. If he was to blast the players and openly discuss their weakness on one hand the press would have a field day with a manager who doesn't support his players. Conversely if he consistently sings our players praises (as he does), then in another way people exploit this. I personally, can't even begin to imagine how difficult and stressful it must be for Branko to face the hostile Iranian media every time with so much pressure mounted on him.

I agree that there have been many wasted friendlies and missed opportunities for Branko to test new players in all positions, though sadly he hasn't taken them....I guess we could put this down to the fact that he wants results from every single game and is perhaps a bit timid in fielding younger, unexperienced players. After all, we were all calling for his head after a recent losing streak.

I would like to point out that Queens Park Rangers play in the English second division (Championship) and that we started that game in a positive manner. A lot of new faces were seen during that game, but unfortunately Mirzapour let us down 3 times.

Lastly I would like to say that I agree with most of your post. However, we are in April now. Whatever mistakes have been made in the past by Branko we really have to forget and let go. There is so little time left until the world cup, and there is no way that we could get a new manager by then. We just have to get behind the team and support every single player and personnel in our national team. I daresay that complaining about Branko at this stage will achieve nothing at all.

He will leave after the world cup for sure. Just out of interest, I've seen you writing about Branko's shortcomings for a long time now, who would you want to replace him after the world cup?

**Doctor DOOM** · 04-15-2006, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Irandoost

Doctor Doom ?
Why do you hate so much Branco Ivankovic ?
What is so important my friend ?

I dont hate him .... ( or maybe I do, but in an indirect way

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I just dont want an incompetent fellow to lead our TM.
whoever he may be, whatever his name and whichever country he hails from.

to me, only TM matters .
nothing else.

so when I see X or Y , directly or indirectly negatively affect TM's performance and fate, I take the stance.

it is as simple as that, my friend.

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sraosa jan,

to be frank, what he says matters much less than his actions.

he could say any crap he wants and lie and deny all he wants. I wouldnt care, .... as long as in DEED he acted correctly and was doing the right thing.

now, I am not a coach, but by god, I HAVE EYES.
I can see a whole series of problems exists and persist in TM , some for a long long time !

and when I see these problems go unheeded and un-addressed, I take this stance.

I dont have to get down no nitty gritty of each and every problem and defect at TM, as there are plenty of threads on them.
but the main thing is that they exist and have gone on for too bloody long .

when he HAD a chance to address them and maybe get lucky and correct them ( by fluke or deliberation, I dont care ), he didnt !
his laj baazi has become the bane of TM !

this prompts ppl like me to question the priorities of his, which obviously do not fall in line with TM's.
yes, yes ... eventually, somewhere down the list, he may want a strong TM, but it is obvious it does not TOP the list, as he struggles and exerts himself when his own seat is in danger only!

now, THAT, I cannot stand.
to me ONLY TM matters ...... nothing more, nothing less.

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but since u brought up a few points, let me explain:

1- losing streak?
you may not be very familiar with me and my posts. coz you would know I dont base my opinion on the "results" only.

I have problems with many of the supposed "wins" like bahrain ( 1-0 ), both n koea games, panama, azerbaijan, lybia, togo, ..... .
coz I watch the team's PERFORMANCE.

I expect far more from a coach who's been here for the past 5 yrs, working with the same players. yet we see no teamwork, cohesion, ...... ( refer to other threads plz) !!!

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QPR - second div.
but in reality it IS THIRD, if we count the premiership.
that too , it was a struggling team fighting in the lower half of the table !!!

lets not be mollah- loghati , plz.

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on lack of time, and ... :

1- az ghadeem goftand:
har ja jeloye zarar ro begiri, sood kardi.

so anytime we get rid of this obstacle ( branko ) we'd have gained something .... or at least averted some major disaster ( like playing ultra-defensive, aiming for draws and coming out with 4-5 goals conceded !!! )

2- two months is a relative matter.

in our case, it is not as if branko has laid out a teamwork or system , so with introduction of a new coach, these two systems would be confusing for the players !!

baba, this bum, after 5 years, shows a deimi football, with no teamwork or system !

so when there is NOTHING there to confuse with the new system, why are we worried ?

**Kaveh Ahangar** · 04-16-2006, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Doctor DOOM

sraosa jan,

to be frank, what he says matters much less than his actions.

he could say any crap he wants and lie and deny all he wants. I wouldnt care, .... as long as in DEED he acted correctly and was doing the right thing.

now, I am not a coach, but by god, I HAVE EYES.
I can see a whole series of problems exists and persist in TM , some for a long long time !

and when I see these problems go unheeded and un-addressed, I take this stance.

I dont have to get down no nitty gritty of each and every problem and defect at TM, as there are plenty of threads on them.
but the main thing is that they exist and have gone on for too bloody long .

when he HAD a chance to address them and maybe get lucky and correct them ( by fluke or deliberation, I dont care ), he didnt !
his laj baazi has become the bane of TM !

this prompts ppl like me to question the priorities of his, which obviously do not fall in line with TM's.
yes, yes ... eventually, somewhere down the list, he may want a strong TM, but it is obvious it does not TOP the list, as he struggles and exerts himself when his own seat is in danger only!

now, THAT, I cannot stand.
to me ONLY TM matters ...... nothing more, nothing less.

It's true, TM is not perfect and the manager is not perfect, but then it never will be in reality. Doctor DOOM jan, do you honestly think that if Jose Mourinho was the coach of TM things would have been signifacntly different? At the heart of any team is the players who are the most important. The manager seeks to guide the players and give them some order and structure to their game. I highly doubt that Scolari would have won the world cup with Brazil's C-team or Mourinho the Premiership with his Chelsea youth team......so, lets not forget that this is Iranian football and not Brazilian football we are talking about.

Originally posted by Doctor DOOM

but since u brought up a few points, let me explain:

1- losing streak?
you may not be very familiar with me and my posts. coz you would know I dont base my opinion on the "results" only.

I have problems with many of the supposed "wins" like bahrain ( 1-0 ), both n koea games, panama, azerbaijan, lybia, togo, ..... .
coz I watch the team's PERFORMANCE.

I expect far more from a coach who's been here for the past 5 yrs, working with the same players. yet we see no teamwork, cohesion, ...... ( refer to other threads plz) !!!

With respect, Doctor DOOM, if you were Greek would you be disappointed with their Euro 2004 win? because they won it playing highly negative football, in other words their "performances" were pretty bad to be honest. I agree that in recent times, Iranian football has not been the same attacking attractive football to watch......BUT, we have got the results which in my eyes matter a lot and we have progressed to the World Cup. I would disagree with your comments on teamwork and cohesion. You have to give Branko some credit at least because the first half against Costa Rica was just the kind of football we want to see. Also, we beat Libya 4-0 and constantly attacked and created chances, I don't know what was wrong with the performance there. With regards to Bahrain, it is evident that Branko has learnt his lesson from the Jordan game we lost and so he seeked to go out and be 100% sure of winning the game and not risking our qualification.

Originally posted by Doctor DOOM

QPR - second div.
but in reality it IS THIRD, if we count the premiership.
that too , it was a struggling team fighting in the lower half of the table !!!

lets not be mollah- loghati , plz.

I quite like being mollah loghati

.....and I'll tell you azizam, that QPR play in the division directly below the Premiership - called the Championship.....so they are in the English Division 2......trust me man, I live in England and know the football league system here.

Originally posted by Doctor DOOM

on lack of time, and ... :

1- az ghadeem goftand:
har ja jeloye zarar ro begiri, sood kardi.

so anytime we get rid of this obstacle ( branko ) we'd have gained something .... or at least averted some major disaster ( like playing ultra-defensive, aiming for draws and coming out with 4-5 goals conceded !!! )

I disagree. It's way too late to change coaches, no sane football federation would dump their manager with under 2 months until the world cup. His knowledge of Iranian football is second to none and a new manager would take too long to become aquainted with the players, it's too much of a reckless risk.

Originally posted by Doctor DOOM

2- two months is a relative matter.

in our case, it is not as if branko has laid out a teamwork or system , so with introduction of a new coach, these two systems would be confusing for the players !!

baba, this bum, after 5 years, shows a deimi football, with no teamwork or system !

so when there is NOTHING there to confuse with the new system, why are we worried ?

I too am not 100% satisfied with Branko as a coach, but with respect I think you are very harsh and unfair on his achievements and contributions to our football. Claiming that he has no system is just a subjective view and I'm sure there are plenty of other fans watching the same game who would disagree with you.

**Hadi** · 04-17-2006, 01:39 AM

the 2 This Branko is doing wrong are:

1-The way he talks in interviews. He evades questions, talks like he is talking to 10 year olds and thinks he knows more than any one in Iran. I think a coach (just like a president) should be honest with the people and let them know the truth

2-His insistance on certain players, to be exact: Nosrati, Mirzapor, Kameli, Alavi, Yahya, Navidkia, Borhani ete while other players like: Bagheri, Sepehr Heydari, Majidi, Oladi, Enayati, Talebloo, Shojaie etc are never given the chance.

But still, I prefer him to ANY Iranian coach. Iranian coaches tend to destroy teams. But I think Denzili and Arie Haan (who are working in Iran) are coaches who have the potential to coach TM. But anyway its too late now. Lets hope Branko uses players like Mojtaba Jabbari, Karim Bagheri, Teymorian, and makes a big change in the way his team plays so we can see a team just like we saw in the Asian Cup.

**Doctor DOOM** · 04-17-2006, 04:19 AM

dear sraosa :

1- I am not going to the extreme and expecting anything "perfect".
no, my friend.

I am merely saying we use all that we have at our disposal.
not ignore and neglect many options , just becoz 4-5 years back x or y were good players and now, they shd not be changed with new faces !

I am saying the coach shd be flexible and open to new ideas and notions.
not repeatedly and consistently try to shove a square peg down a round hole. ... and in the process, fails to correct the problem. again and again !!!!

I am saying the coach shd acknowledge the deficiencies ( many of which have persisted for a long time ) and at least attempt to correct them ... rather than insist on the failed experiments , becoz he is an insecure man who doesnt like to admit to his shortcomings and mistakes !

I am saying he shd at least have a miniscule amount of foresight, and keep a farther horizon than the result of a meaningless friendly in sight.
such as finding acceptable alternatives for our main players.
like applying different systems and tactics , as each opponent is a different one.

hell, I am only expecting a teamwork and cohesion , PROPORTIONATE to his 5+ years of reign...... which is non-existent !!

and many other completely viable, possible and reachable matters.

who is talking about perfection?

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2- hehehehe.

I'm sorry , but your greek analogy doesnt even come close to our tragedy !

did you forget that the greek actually WON the bloody trophy ?
what did we get? third at AC ... which was achieved by MANY, and surpassed on many other occasions.
so no biscuit for him .

did you forget that the greek adopted that ugly style in the face of FAR TOUGHER & STRONGER oppositions?
( or do you claim n korea, bahrain, oman, thailand, laos, qatar, ... are all stronger teams than us ? )
again , no biscuit for him.

so, if you expect me to give him credit where he hardly earned it ..... well, that's not me.

**1908** · 04-17-2006, 05:32 AM

i think hell be the crappiest coach in the world cup id say ...

**Hadi** · 04-17-2006, 05:39 AM

Define Crappy

**1908** · 04-17-2006, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Hadi

Define Crappy

really i dont think u could compare him2 many of the coaches such as
Koreas coach
Hollands
Brazils
Serbia
Portugal
ect ect ....

our left back our goal keeper there useless ...
and he doesnt drop them
now dida who is amazing has gotten warnings over his form ..
our mirzapour keeps getting praised each time he screws up
his da best his da best
he says ali daei is a free kick specialist ..not aginst daei i believe he should b playing in team melli ...
but his 2 stubborn ....2 try out any new players ....

**Hajagha** · 04-18-2006, 09:20 AM

Peyman jan,

Can I ask you when is your deadline for "changing TM coach" with a better one? As you may agree with me, even the best coach of the world needs time to learn about the team and perform at his highest level.

I asked since my own deadline has passed over months and I think "Branko is the best option we have now", by "now" I mean 45 days before WC kick off.

Oh, a simple "time" would be enough for the answer, no need for conclusion.

Cheers

**faraz** · 04-18-2006, 10:25 AM

I think it's time for you to put your hatred aside, and start supporting TM. It's the same message (with witty variations) that you keep pounding into these forums in any remotely related thread that you can find.

Peyman Jan, we are soooo damn close to the WC! You don't think you can give it a rest? How much longer do u aim to push for a coaching change??

**Doctor DOOM** · 04-19-2006, 07:12 AM

just when I thought what prompted me to start this thread, meaning the interview and those outlandish answers in the first post , was the most absurd and fantastically horrible set of answers given by branko, ...... comes yet another one ( in JF , a couple of days back ) where he surpasses all backwardness, stupidity, arrogance, and irresponsibility possible.

I dont know if any of you have read it , but if you have, you'd know what I'm talking about.

for ONCE, I saw a reporter ask some PERTINENT questions ( strike one, against all those soft, well-rehearsed mock interviews , where some inane and insignificant Q's are asked ) , AND most importantly, PERSIST on his questions, till he gets a stright answer out of branko ( another strike, against the same soft interviews where nobody cares if they never got any straight answers ).

and once again, branko weaseled out of each and every Q, even when the interviewer simplified his Q's, broke them into smaller ones, dissected them and even enumerated enough examples to get at least one sensible, logical answer !!

if you read the interview, you'd see how branko, facing a little persistence and confronted with logic, gets stuck and cant come up with any sensible answers. so much that he tries his usual tactics: mock the question and turn it into a joke !
never a logical answer !!!

time and time again, he gets stuck, fails to come up with any kind of explanation.
he gets confused and contradicts himself many times as well !

in one segment, he tries to take a moral high ground and say he never undermines any of his players.
a couple of para's down, he calls mobaali's game against QPR "EFTEZAH" !!!!
talk about hypocrisy !

in one segment, he tries to defend his insistence on zareh and comes up with some bullsh*t like "I've tried 8 different players for the LB position" .( I guess he expected the reporter to give up this line of Q, as many usually do ).
then when the reporter enumerates a series of games and asks "who was the LB", the answer to almost all of them was : zareh !!!

now, branko gets confused and asks for congratulations , since he has shown "consistency" in using a player !!!!

but , at the same time, he expect us to applaud him for trying 8 different players for the LB ( many of them were actually left midfielders !!

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it's just hilarious !

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but read it if you want to see that branko is wasting such talent in football, where he could make full use of it in politics !
he's a typical slimy weasel politician who never get caught with anything, and no-one can get them to admit to anything !
he's have a bright future in politics.

either that, or he shd be a comedian , plying his trade in some stand-up comics club !

yes, I know , some ppl will still defend this.
as I did say, it all depends on one's standards . also in one's allowance for offense to his intelligence.

some ppl will take these co.ckamamie answers as insults to one's intelligence, some may allow such insults.
it's all about one's self worth and standards !

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reza jan , faraz jan .... I was quite ready to just be quiet and suffer his incompetence till the end of WC , as evident in my lack of interest in discussing any matters on TM in the past month and half .

as I said, I just gave up.

but this and such garbage is infuriating enough, and when coupled with his insistence on his failed experiments , you have to admit it is very hard for someone who , as it is didnt like him, to be quiet.

as for who and how , on the matters of changing coach.

when I'm confronted with such stubborn stupidity and wrong priorities, I'd say anyone in Iran is better than this idiot.
why, we have Ari Haan, Denizli, Dr. Z , ... as some viable candidates who WILL take the job.

they also dont need much time ( especially the latter two ) as they already know all there is to know about the players and their behavior, attitude, pro's and con's.

and also : az ghadeem goftand, har ja jeloye zarar ro begiri, sood kardi.

**Hajagha** · 04-19-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Doctor DOOM

az ghadeem goftand, har ja jeloye zarar ro begiri, sood kardi.

Well, this is the core of disagreement between you and me, however I may agree with most of your critics.

Since youa are a doc, I will bring my example from this point, how many good doc do you know who accept a surgery while another surgen already opened the body?

A coach or a doc is not like a wrench, if this doesn't fit, try the other one. They need to know the past, present and the future, also the team/patient needs to know him.

It was wise to change the coach 4 months ago, but now, the best option is Branko. After all, Branko is not a bad coach, we only had better options to try.

Cheers

**Doctor DOOM** · 04-19-2006, 10:06 PM

hehe ...

reza jan, there is a difference between what a surgeon ( I dont think you meant a plain & regular doctor ) does and what a coach does.

actually a coach IS closer to the wrench analogy than a doctor, as we see coaches changed ( becoz of their incompetence or inabilities or .... ) quite regularly.

and in fact, just like the wrench, one discards one that doesnt work right, for another that may.

now, I have said why I still think it is ok to c hange him.
coz a bad player selection for a game, a bad substitution, a wrong tactic or .... can change the fate of a game.

as I mentioned in another thread, how many ppl rue the day talebi opted for a "prevent a bad loss" tactics against that weak and extremely old and aging germany in our last game?
we had the players, and had the organization to maybe get something out of that game.
but what happened?
the team was forced to play such a defensive game ( to supposedly prevent a great loss !!!! ) that not only folded any chance we had of hurting that vulnerable and suspect german team, but also allowed to come at us freely and eventually win 2-0 !

that was 1998. today it is 2006. and there are many who still rue that day !

so why change branko?
coz I know such mistakes and bad decisions WILL happen.
the past 2 years have proven to us that will happen.

why shd we persist with such an error-prone, negative minded coach, just becoz we dont like to "rock the boat" ?
agha, this boat is going to capsize the moment it steps on the field, if this is the fellow to pilot it !

you know he is NOT going to fix the LB problem, coz he is incapable of it.

you know he's not going to fix the LW problem, coz he is incapable of it.

you know he's going to the WC with some out of form players preffered ( just bec oz he selected them 3-4 years back !!!! ) to the in-form ones at IPL.

you know he's not going to adopt any revolutionary new tactics or system, coz he is incapable of it.

you know his line up and who his subs are, and we've seen how competent and cohesive they are in the past 2 years.

( and the scary thing is ALL our rival coaches also know everything about his line up, his subs, his naive and one-dimensional tactics, .... !!!

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here are some of the clippings from the past few weeks, that prove the point.
why shd we trust such a fellow ?

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