What TM has in common with Croetia,and Czec republic !!

[zzgloo]

according to the magazin..." FUTBOL TOTAL " of Mexico...
www.futboltotal.com.mx Here is the stracture of teams comming to the WC.....There are only two other teams exactly with TM formation,and they are
Croetia, and, Czec republic.may be that is the reason,Branko has chosen them to be our final tune-up,to master the system.
ofcourse these numbers do not explain how the players are spread out on the field,which that can only be shown with a graphic form.


Germany............ 2-3-2-2-1

Costa rica.......... 4-1-2-1-2

Ecuador............. 4-2-2-2

Poland............... 4-1-2-1-2

England............. 4-3-1-2

Paraguay........... 1-4-3-2

Trinidad............. 4-2-2-2

Sweden............. 4-4-2

Argentina........... 2-1-2-2-1-2

Ivory cost.......... 2-2-2-2-2

Serbia............... 4-2-2-2

Holand.............. 2-3-2-2-1

Mexico.............. 3-4-1-2

Iran.................. 4-1-3-2

Angola.............. 4-2-3-1

Portugal............ 4-2-3-1

Italia................ 3-2-2-2-1

Ghana.............. 4-3-1-2

USA................. 3-2-2-3

Cezc................ 4-1-3-2

Brazil............... 4-3-1-2

Croatia............ 4-1-3-2

Australia.......... 3-3-3-1

japan.............. 4-2-1-2-1

France............ 4-2-2-2

Switzerland...... 4-3-1-2

South korea...... 4-3-3

Togo................ 4-1-2-3

Spain............... 4-1-2-1-2

Ukrain.............. 4-3-1-2

Tunesia............ 4-1-2-1-2

Saudis............. 4-2-2-2

[faraz]

lol @ Ivory Coast's "2-2-2-2-2"

The evolution of formations is amazing! I can't believe so many different teams adopt such a different formation, and yet, somehow, on the field, everything balances out. Of course, I do realize that some of these formations are pretty much similar to a 4-4-2, with slight variations.

Interesting post ZZ jan

[Hajagha]

This variety has a interesting meaning which is players performance has advantage over system. We simply can change the system by quality of our players.

[zzgloo]

This variety has a interesting meaning which is players performance has advantage over system. We simply can change the system by quality of our players.

Or lack of quality !!

[Martin-Reza]

Actually we're not playing a 4-1-3-2. We're playing a 4-1-2-1-2, which is a 4-4-2 diamond.

[Darvish11]

Actually we're not playing a 4-1-3-2. We're playing a 4-1-2-1-2, which is a 4-4-2 diamond.

yeah, karimi plays in front of kia and zandi

[faraz]

Actually we're not playing a 4-1-3-2. We're playing a 4-1-2-1-2, which is a 4-4-2 diamond.

Behzad Kojaei?...

[BehzadB]

Behzad Kojaei?...

I am here bro,

I gues MR has not seen the Video PFDC put up here, the interview with Branko.I suggest both of you watch the whole thing again.

minute 5 through 10 of the video he talks about the formation and later on in the interview he explains that he has tried 1 MD, but it's best for us to use 2 MD.

I am telling, just watch the Video. He actually mentions that he has tried the 3.3.3.1 system. But no mention of any of those other formations

He has tried the 4.1.3.2 (which MR lists as 4.1.2.1.2), in some games, where the opponant has been much weaker. Taiwan for example. BUt his system with Iran as I said before is a 4.2.3.1 and he will have to pull back another OMidfied and make it 4.3.2.1 against a team like Portugal. I guess we'll see.., but do watch the video again.

[Doctor DOOM]

numbers become IRRELEVENT, when we have the wrong players for these roles.

when we have a right back, placed as the left back, who cant mount any decent attack, and on his best days is a mediocre defender on the left, I see no point or relevence in talking about numbers.

when we have a left winger who is always missing in his position and drifts elsewhere, leaving all of the left side to the above-mentioned misplaced right back, talking about 2 or 4 or 3 or 6 or ... is , plain and simple, a waste of time !

logic says some coaches call the correct players according to the system laid out.
some other, select the system depending on the type of players they have.

branko is so confused and incompetent he is neither this side nor that !
no wonder his team looks to have fallen in between the stools !

[Martin-Reza]

I am here bro,

I gues MR has not seen the Video PFDC put up here, the interview with Branko.I suggest both of you watch the whole thing again.

minute 5 through 10 of the video he talks about the formation and later on in the interview he explains that he has tried 1 MD, but it's best for us to use 2 MD.

I am telling, just watch the Video. He actually mentions that he has tried the 3.3.3.1 system. But no mention of any of those other formations

He has tried the 4.1.3.2 (which MR lists as 4.1.2.1.2), in some games, where the opponant has been much weaker. Taiwan for example. BUt his system with Iran as I said before is a 4.2.3.1 and he will have to pull back another OMidfied and make it 4.3.2.1 against a team like Portugal. I guess we'll see.., but do watch the video again.

I have not seen the video. Regardless of that, you are right about the 4-1-3-2 against very weak teams (Taiwan and also Laos), but that is an exception. We definitely didn't play the 4-2-3-1 since the match in Manama, apart from very few exceptions when either Hashemian or Daei were missing (eg. in South Korea). With all players available we play 4-1-2-1-2 with Karimi behind Daei and Hashemian. 4-2-3-1 with Hashemian as leftwinger was tried but didn't succeed, so the only chance to imply a 4-2-3-1 is to bench either Daei or Hashemian - sth Branko never did when both were fit which makes it very unlikely he will do so in WC.

I hope this is a misunderstanding. Noone can watch eg. the last match against Costa Rica and claim this is a 4-2-3-1! It's a clear and obvious 4-4-2 diamond - also called a 4-1-2-1-2! Please clearify: do you claim Iran's main system since the match in Manama was a 4-2-3-1 or did I get you wrong?

[Martin-Reza]

Here all our matches in 2005 and 2006 (latest first) and the systems as identified by myself after careful review. If you disagree about a certain match, we can work it out.

Obviously the 4-2-3-1 was only used three times since the first Bahrain clash, namely when either Daei or Hashemian were missing. Noteable that despite Daei was missing in North Korea, still a 4-1-2-1-2 was used.

Iran vs Costa Rica 4-1-2-1-2
Iran vs Taiwan (sth like a) 4-2-2-2, then 4-1-3-2 second half
Iran vs Togo 4-1-2-1-2
Iran vs Macedonia 4-1-2-1-2
South Korea vs Iran 4-2-3-1 (no Daei)
Iran vs Libya 4-2-3-1 (no Hashemian)
Japan vs Iran 4-2-3-1 (no Hashemian)
Iran vs Bahrain 4-1-2-1-2
Iran vs Korea DPR 4-1-2-1-2
Iran vs Azerbaidjan 4-1-2-1-2
Korea DPR vs Iran 4-1-2-1-2 (no Daei)
Iran vs Japan 4-1-2-1-2
Bahrain vs Iran 4-2-3-1
Iran vs Bosnia 4-2-3-1

[BehzadB]

I have not seen the video. Regardless of that, you are right about the 4-1-3-2 against very weak teams (Taiwan and also Laos), but that is an exception. We definitely didn't play the 4-2-3-1 since the match in Manama, apart from very few exceptions when either Hashemian or Daei were missing (eg. in South Korea). With all players available we play 4-1-2-1-2 with Karimi behind Daei and Hashemian. 4-2-3-1 with Hashemian as leftwinger was tried but didn't succeed, so the only chance to imply a 4-2-3-1 is to bench either Daei or Hashemian - sth Branko never did when both were fit which makes it very unlikely he will do so in WC.
I hope this is a misunderstanding. Noone can watch eg. the last match against Costa Rica and claim this is a 4-2-3-1! It's a clear and obvious 4-4-2 diamond - also called a 4-1-2-1-2! Please clearify: do you claim Iran's main system since the match in Manama was a 4-2-3-1 or did I get you wrong?

MR jan,

all I have been telling our good friend Faraz, is what I heard from Branko on that video. For example he talks about 4 back flat, the fact that he has tried the 3.3.3.1 format this year because it is easy to switch between the two formations. he does not say specifically what the second formation is but you can figure it out from his explanations. later on in the interview, He talks about having tried 1 MD, but did not like it. he says 2 MD's is the way to go. 4 back flat and 2 MD's means 4.2.3.1. I think he leaves no doubt that his system will be. 4.2.3.1 at the WC. Ofcourse he does say there is two months left and some games coming up and we'll see how things go.

I think the best formation to do is the same 4.2.3.1 but with a healthy Karimi as a FREE man. Let the games begin

[BehzadB]

logic says some coaches call the correct players according to the system laid out.
some other, select the system depending on the type of players they have.

LOL, payman jan, that is exactly what Branko said in the interview when asked about Formation. It's Ironic.

I agree with you in that, he has misplaced a couple of players. Zandi driffts to the right too much leaving a ton of space on the left for the left back, who is really a right back, to cover.

[Hajagha]

... the only chance to imply a 4-2-3-1 is to bench either Daei or Hashemian - sth Branko never did when both were fit which makes it very unlikely he will do so in WC...

That's why I like you so much. You know he is wrong but you are so nice, blame yourself of not understanding football.

Welcome aboard dude, you will see in WC that you understand football and for some strange reasons it's Branko who's kicking his only chance to become world wide famous down to toillete. Imagine we have to give up an on-form player like Teymourian or Jabari or Mobali for an in-form striker like Daei against a team like Portugal with players like Figo, Ronaldo and Deco.

No dude, we and rest of Iran know football.

Cheers

[Martin-Reza]

MR jan,
all I have been telling our good friend Faraz, is what I heard from Branko on that video. For example he talks about 4 back flat, the fact that he has tried the 3.3.3.1 format this year because it is easy to switch between the two formations. he does not say specifically what the second formation is but you can figure it out from his explanations. later on in the interview, He talks about having tried 1 MD, but did not like it. he says 2 MD's is the way to go. 4 back flat and 2 MD's means 4.2.3.1. I think he leaves no doubt that his system will be. 4.2.3.1 at the WC. Ofcourse he does say there is two months left and some games coming up and we'll see how things go.
I think the best formation to do is the same 4.2.3.1 but with a healthy Karimi as a FREE man. Let the games begin

Interesting, this together with his used lineups doesn't really make sense. After the two test matches in May we will see. If he again plays with two strikers, it is very likely he will stick to that.

That's why I like you so much. You know he is wrong but you are so nice, blame yourself of not understanding football.
Welcome aboard dude, you will see in WC that you understand football and for some strange reasons it's Branko who's kicking his only chance to become world wide famous down to toillete. Imagine we have to give up an on-form player like Teymourian or Jabari or Mobali for an in-form striker like Daei against a team like Portugal with players like Figo, Ronaldo and Deco.
No dude, we and rest of Iran know football.
Cheers

As much as I hate to deny your theory: First, I don't think Branko's wrong. He believes Daei and Hashemian are outstanding players and both must play when fit and therefore adapts his system to that. Human explained that well in his interview with PFDC (it's still in spotlight on frontpage).

And as unpopular at it is, I agree that a fit Daei must start. The guy is a goalgetter.

So if both need to play and a fourback is wanted too, we only have the choice between 4-4-2 flat, 4-4-2 diamond and 4-2-2-2 - of which I personally would prefer the latter, although I'm not sure who is supposed to be the second defensive mid beside Nekounam. If Zandi could play this role it would be perfect, but I'm not sure.