What Did this WC teach US !

[zzgloo]

This was a very unique WC, being in Africa, and having all football powers present,and the new bad ball, bad refreeing, etc,etc.......
Indeed,football is beautiful, and a source for human unity !

these are what I take from this World Cup..

1- Football is not a Rocket scince !
2-The world of football is getting closer to eachother.
3-Japan,South Korea,Australia, are leaving the rest of the Asia behind,and have joined the European style camp.
4- The key to playing football, is to win the one to one battles !, South Americans do it with individual techniques...., Africans do it with Superior physics......Europeans do it with team work.
5- The triangular/Dimond shape fast passing advancement,along with strong shootings, are the trend of the new football !

[Doctor DOOM]

the biggest thing is that fifa shd just get off their self righteous horse and think about fairness. meaning:

a- aside from goal line tech, I think they shd use tech for other major decisions

b- Ghana's last minute goal attempt shd have been awarded by NOT a penalty, but a goal decision by the ref.
it is absolutely unfair to deny the goal from a team just becoz some stupid asshole swats at the ball and prevents a clear goal.
it doesnt make sense to REWARD ( yes, "reward") uruguay with an opportunity to block the goal through a penalty.
justice would have been a goal decision by the ref.

this is not a normal foul or penalty incident that satisfies the penalty calls. this was the ball crossing the goal line with the keeper nowhere near it and none of the players able to head or kick the ball away.

fifa shd start looking at its rules and correct them

[shayan20]

the biggest thing is that fifa shd just get off their self righteous horse and think about fairness. meaning:

a- aside from goal line tech, I think they shd use tech for other major decisions

b- Ghana's last minute goal attempt shd have been awarded by NOT a penalty, but a goal decision by the ref.
it is absolutely unfair to deny the goal from a team just becoz some stupid asshole swats at the ball and prevents a clear goal.
it doesnt make sense to REWARD ( yes, "reward") uruguay with an opportunity to block the goal through a penalty.
justice would have been a goal decision by the ref.

this is not a normal foul or penalty incident that satisfies the penalty calls. this was the ball crossing the goal line with the keeper nowhere near it and none of the players able to head or kick the ball away.

fifa shd start looking at its rules and correct them

But the rules are rules. Everybody who plays football knows you can block the goal by hand and then concede a penalty and get sent off. I dont see what Suarez did there that was wrong and make people call him cheater and names he doesn't deserve, he simply took advantage of Fifa rules and got punished for it.
Also the refs mistakes have been happening in every world cup, this particular one is no different. Its just crying for video technology again since the English got robbed.

[zzgloo]

It is apparant, the Goal line technology,will be the by product of this WC....
and as payman suggest, they should not just stop there,and use technology in other area of confusions in football.

1- Goal line technology. ( Like the one they use for tennise ).

2-Replay video booth,on the side of the field,with video refree.( For fauls and off sides,etc ).

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In order to not slow down the game, ( similar to NFL ), any coach could ask for up to two video judgements ,and if the judgement was not reversed,his team can get a yellow card.

[leviathan]

from Can Ghana Beat Uruguay tomorrow? thread.

I am not saying he was cheating....i am saying the current rules need to be changed....The new rule will say if a ball is going inside the goal and it is stopped by hand the goal will count, which will be referee's call to deside if the ball was going in 100%.

if you are standing on goal line and save the ball (and you are not he goalie)....that should be considered 100% goal.

Penalty kick has a chance of being saved or missed and it is not a fair substitution for a 100% goal.

Is eliminating Ghana from world cup by stopping a 100% goal by hand, equal to Uruguay getting a red card and a PK?

But the rules are rules. Everybody who plays football knows you can block the goal by hand and then concede a penalty and get sent off. I dont see what Suarez did there that was wrong and make people call him cheater and names he doesn't deserve, he simply took advantage of Fifa rules and got punished for it.
Also the refs mistakes have been happening in every world cup, this particular one is no different. Its just crying for video technology again since the English got robbed.

It is this current rule, that is the problem. If the rules made any sense Ghana had qualified now. we want the 100% goals stopped by Deliberate hand balls to count...and i am sure after this world cup,this will be looked at.

[zzgloo]

I am confused by suggestions of my friends, Doctor Doom and leviatan....

The defention of the Goal scored,according to the rules of football is :

Goal : is when the ball enters and passes the goal line !

Which part of this rule is wrong !?

[leviathan]

Salam,
Why are you confused?

We know the ball does not cross the goal line if it is stopped by a deliberate hand ball. we are saying that deliberate hand ball to stop the ball crossing the goal line should be an exception and should count as a Goal...

Revise the FIFA rules..Apply this rules in games and let's see how many players are going to attempt to stop a 100% goal by hand.

There should be only one Goal keeper in each team.(on the pitch)

[zzgloo]

Salam,
Why are you confused?

We know the ball does not cross the goal line if it is stopped by a delebrate hand ball. we are saying that debrate hand ball to stop the ball crossing the goal line should be an exception and should count as a Goal...

Revise the FIFA rules..Apply this rules in games and let's see how many players are going to attempt to stop a 100% goal by hand.

There should be only one Goal keeper in each team.(on the pitch)

Salam az mast !

What if this use of hand , happened 30 meters away from the Goal where there is only the forward an empty goal in front of him ?

what if, it happened, 60 meters away ? like the goal ascored by Villa of Spain againt Chille ?

When the ball is not insdie the goal line,is inside the field...and approximity is irrelevent,unless is in the BOX which gives you penalty kick.

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next, some one may come and say, fauls against goal players like messi,should be considered a goal, since he would have scored from anywhere,had he not been fauled on.



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[TM-Fan]

1- Football is not a Rocket scince !

Actually football is rocket science. Look how an Argentina team with star players like Messi, Higuain, Tevez, Heinze, Milito, etc. were literally raped by a bunch of players who were much much less skilled and some were not even regular players in their clubs.

There must be a reason for clubs and national teams to pay millions of dollars a year to a top coach. As someone rightfully said, there is much more to coaching than just hugging and kissing players.

[zzgloo]

Actually football is rocket science. Look how an Argentina team with star players like Messi, Higuain, Tevez, Heinze, Milito, etc. were literally raped by a bunch of players who were much much less skilled and some were not even regular players in their clubs.
There must be a reason for clubs and national teams to pay millions of dollars a year to a top coach. As someone rightfully said, there is much more to coaching than just hugging and kissing players.

Did you hear the analysis by jergen Klinsman, after the game ?

he said, argentina,was not a team..and just bounch of individual players.

[shayan20]

leviathan,
If Ghana had scored their penalty nobody would have been complaining about Suarez cheating and bending the rules.

How else would you change the current rules to make it more fair?
I just think its smart move by Suarez to give his team a chance with a PK instead of a 100% goal.

[leviathan]

^^^^ i am not sure how they are going to revise the law.....may be meters will not come in to it....May be they can write the rule that if the ball is stoppped within the goal frame by deliberate hand ball goal will count.

Which basically means you have to be standing either on goal line or inside goal to stop the goal.

[zzgloo]

^^^^ i am not sure how they are going to revise the law.....may be meters will not come in to it....May be they can write the rule that if the ball is stoppped within the goal frame by deliberate hand ball goal will count.

Which basically means you have to be standing either on goal line or inside goal to stop the goal.

I thought about this more....and there is something to be said about your side of the story :

Why do they give penalty kick when the faul is commited inside the 18 ghadam ! ( 16 meter ) Box ??

that is the key question !

for the same reason, the faul on the goal line, may worth additional penalty !

perhaps, penalty kick from the 6 yard line !

[leviathan]

FIFA may extend Suarez match ban to the final
A handball in the box in the 121st minute of play prevented a definite goal for Ghana. A red card was shown. A top-scoring player was sent off with an automatic one-match suspension. A penalty was given to the opposing team which, if scored, would have given them victory and a spot in a World Cup semifinal.
Nine times out of 10, this scenario would have meant you'd be reading about Africa's first World Cup semifinal appearance this morning, including a passing mention of Luis Suarez's crazy, last ditch effort to save his team from certain death.
FIFA spokesman Pekka Odriozola said on Saturday that as a matter of routine the disciplinary commission would review any offense that receives a straight red card to decide whether it merited a harsher punishment.

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/wor...urn=sow,253361

Leviathan:This reaction from FIFA indicates that what happend out there is unfair and the rules are unfair.
what harsher punishment? GHANA got thrown out of world cup unfairly..they should be in world cup instead of Uruguay!!
Even banning him from the remaining matches does not bring GHANA back?

[leviathan]

FIFA always says FAIR PLAY THIS FAIR PLAY THAT!!!

What this world cup showed us is that there is a lot of UNFAIR PLAY going on.

offside goals counted
and non offside goals were called off side.
Those who did not commit a hand ball got punished and some of those who Committed hand ball got away.

And so on.....we need video and goal line technology and we need some of FIFA laws corrected.
The hand ball law is not clear, they still punish unintentional hand balls with a free kick.