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    Iran - Mexico game Pre-visited !

    Group D , Match day 1:

    Mexico and Iran enter the pitch.

    Iran’s line up, no surprise to any Iranian …. Or foreigner, for that matter, includes:
    Mirza
    Kaabi
    yahya
    rezaei
    zareh
    nekounam
    kia
    zandi
    karimi
    VH
    And Daei

    Referee blows the whistle which starts the game.

    Game starts slow, with both teams trying to appraise each other.

    15-20 minutes into the game it becomes apparent most of Iran’s attacks are orchestrated from the right side, having kaabi, kia and karimi running the show.
    On the left side, however, it’s totally different “ball game” ( pun intended ). It resembles more like a dodge-ball game, as zandi goes absconding, crowding the middle of the park.

    Thus leaving zareh, who is already, in bad shape and form, the sole player with responsibility of doing both defending and attacking from the left side.

    The Mexicans, noticing this, plan a couple of forays into Iran’s half, penetrating rather smoothly, as there’s hardly any half-backs to counter, and zareh is easily dealt with.

    A couple of crosses and surges into Iran’s 18, shows the freeway that will be used again and again by the Mexicans throughout the match.

    On the other hand, when Iran holds the ball, zareh showing incapable of forming any respectable offensive, with the midfielder ahead of him, still roaming the center of the pitch, tries to mount an attack and a cross. To no avail, as the ball goes haywire !

    VH tries to chip in, thus, leaving his natural zone empty to come to assist zareh, will mean he will be run to the bone, trying to be in two places at the same time, throughout the match ! Tiring faster than usual, and having come out of an injury recently, he runs out of steam quickly and needs to be subbed.
    ( In comes the only forward on Iran’s bench, borhani, who despite having the pace, misses chance after chance !!! )

    Hence, the Mexicans bolster their left side’s defense, preventing attacks by the trio of kia, kaabi and karimi. While mounting their attacks down their right side ( Iran’s left ), with immediate results in scoring a goal off a cross which is not dealt with properly by Iran’s defenders & keeper, who fail to contact the ball repeatedly, while the Mexicans pass the ball around in Iran’s 18 yards, culminating in a goal.

    Iran’s coach seeing the early goal, is quickly forced to react.
    But instead of bolstering his attack to provide for an equalizer, he fears more goals in the bag, and brings in alavi, for zandi, and ordering a 4-2-3-1 formation, with the aging Daei as their sole forward to deal with the Mexican defenders.
    This compounds the misery on the out of form zareh down Iran’s left side, as his mistakes become more frequent and dangerous by the minute !

    This transfers Iran’s center of gravity even more deep into their own half, allowing more Mexicans to join their attack, and with added number comes added opportunities at Iran’s goal.

    Crosses come from all sides, many of which prove dangerous with Iran’s over-crowded, yet slow and error-prone defense, unable to shoulder the mounting pressure.

    On the front, Daei , having been left alone, is rather easily handled by two Mexican defenders, while their other defenders freely surge into Iran’s half.

    Iran’s karimi tries to go it alone, seeing the diminished number of Iran’s attackers.
    Tries his usual dribbling, and is cut down viciously by the Mexican markers, time and again. And this violent marking takes its toll on him and he needs to be subbed.

    Iran’s coach sends in Jabbari, who has a total of 45 minutes of international experience ( that too against japan’s B side ! ). The youngster, not lacking the heart and desire, is found wanting in experience and melts into the background of the game.

    Iran’s Kia, being of high fighting spirit, tries to rally the troops with the occasional bursts of speed and aggression, only to be left stranded by his team, as they fall behind and stay behind !


    Thus, preparing the setting for repeated Mexican onslaughts. And the Mexicans attack and attack and ….. !!!

    The clock show minute 72, and ………………..


    ---------------------------------------

    sounds fantastical and imaginary?
    Sounds impossible?
    Sounds improbable?

    Why shd it?
    Afterall, haven’t we seen such a line up stressed by branko, even against piss-poor teams?

    Haven’t we seen such subbing done ( zandi/alavi, …. ) ?

    Haven’t we seen TM being packed with more defensive minded players than what’s needed?

    The tactics?
    The formation?
    The repetition of mistakes by the defenders?
    The repetition of mistakes by mirza on crosses and exits?

    I didn’t want to continue the scenario, bleak as it seemed.

    Yes, I know anything is possible.
    Mathematically, we can overpower brazil 10-0….. let alone Mexicans.
    ( mathematically, though ).

    We could manage to even win the Mexicans, although that NEEDS a lot of work, and an attacking minded team and system and … ( which we haven’t shown in the past many years ).
    I’d love to see this.

    We could get a draw, holding the Mexicans at bay.
    I wouldn’t mind this one either.

    But, look deep into your hearts. Considering the performances of TM ( key factor : keep the strength of our opposition teams in mind ) and how we have done what, in the past 2 years.

    also do consider the out of form, yet fixed defendrs.
    mirza out of form and still making the same horrible mistakes he used to make 4 years back.
    VH, karimi, kia, ... coming off an injury.
    all the deficiencies of TM's defense and left side and .... we've all seen so far.


    And tell me this scenario is not possible or even probable.
    Last edited by Doctor DOOM; 04-22-2006, 10:32 AM.

    #2
    Took you too long to explain! But, I'll do in a short one (and yes you can keep this till WC since I am also putting large money on this )

    Iran goes in, shows an amazing performance which surprises the world. Scores 2 maybe 3 and wins the match. Iranian media gets "khit" major and start to eat their own words by praising Iran & Branko. On the other hand, several old timers of PFDC mysteriously disapper from the borad and are no where to be found to answer to pumped up fans ..... couple of them show up a bit later and say "Oh, this tm & Branko? Oh, yeh we like this one. We meant "that" TM. That is what we had been saying all along" ....

    We thank and support Mr.Kamran Delan for many years of dedication and service to Iranian Football Community.
    Go IRAN!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Mansoor
      Took you too long to explain! But, I'll do in a short one (and yes you can keep this till WC since I am also putting large money on this )
      Iran goes in, shows an amazing performance which surprises the world. Scores 2 maybe 3 and wins the match. Iranian media gets "khit" major and start to eat their own words by praising Iran & Branko. On the other hand, several old timers of PFDC mysteriously disapper from the borad and are no where to be found to answer to pumped up fans ..... couple of them show up a bit later and say "Oh, this tm & Branko? Oh, yeh we like this one. We meant "that" TM. That is what we had been saying all along" ....
      lol

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        #4
        Even shorter version.

        Iran team as denoted by Dr. Doom enters the pitch. The Irani players are apprehensive since there was a distinct lack of preparation for the world cup, and many of our players have never played on such an important stage. Much like the game against Korea, tm begins by playing Bran***lavs passive startegy from the onset of the game. Mexico takes the ball up Irans field quite easily as a result and a mexican player takes a long range shot which is on target. Mirzapour not being able to judge the direction of the ball correctly chooses to duck rather than attempt a save and the ball goes in for the first goal of the world cup. As a result of such a scene the Irani players quickly loose heart and the game ends with Mexico scoring 8 goals on tm. Branko keeps Mirzapour in until the end of the game, and later blaims the defeat on the fact that Mirzapour was injured.
        The REAL. The LEGEND. Since 2001.

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          #5
          Guys,

          Emotions are running high. Let's get a hold of them.

          1. Even those teams with best prepration will get eleminated at some point. ONly ONE team will be standing. (History has shown, it's NOT always the best team)

          2. Iran may play a poor game and still win or may play a beautiful football and still loose. What are the people on the different sides of this argument gonna say then?

          3. And I bet you all, that when it is all said and done, we will still find reasons and excuses ... to complain or criticize or advocate our own previous statements and opinions.

          4. If Iran does score 2 or 3 goals agaisnt Mexico and win the game, Doctor Doom will be the first one here, thanking Branko and addmiting he was wrong. NO I dont speak for him, but I just think he would.

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            #6
            Originally posted by behzadb
            4. If Iran does score 2 or 3 goals agaisnt Mexico and win the game, Doctor Doom will be the first one here, thanking Branko and addmiting he was wrong. NO I dont speak for him, but I just think he would.
            I'd rather hear that from him to be honest...

            But in all seriousness, Doctor Doom made a good point a long time ago. It is not really about who is right or who is wrong - as long as TM comes out on top.

            What must be understood is that people don't wish TM to be successful because we WANT to be proven right - rather, our love and passion for TM drives that motivation.

            If we do miserably, trust me, the last thing I'd want is for people to come to the forum and say "i told u so, i knew it, i knew that, he should've done this..." and blah blah blah, and take SATISFACTION in being right even though TM failed.

            All of the scenarios put forth are possible. There are many many many more factors that come into play when considering who will beat who. No one loss can be blamed on any one entity (players, coaches, blah blah blah), and the same goes for a win.

            We just have to wish for the best of luck (as branko says, one millimeter is all it takes), good conditioning, player "gheyrat", coaching intelligence, mistakes by the opponents (very possible!! Mexico and Portugal both have so much pressure on them!)...and the list goes on and on.

            All of these discussions surrounding Branko are meaningless, especially now. It is not as if Branko is going to be passing the ball to Daei in the opening kick-off, or that Branko is going to take penalties, or that Branko will be standing in net.
            We thank and support Mr.Kamran Delan for many years of dedication and service to Iranian Football Community.

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              #7
              I don't think people understood me! There is no this scenario and that one possible. There is only one:

              IRAN WILL WIN. IRAN WILL DEFEAT MEXICO. WE WILL PREVAIL.

              I am not interested in anything else. We are getting closer to the WC and the fever is starting to grow in me. I am 100% sure, I am positive, and I am putting money where my mouth is (anyone?). WE WILL WIN. IRAN WILL WIN.

              Bring in the Mexicans... IRAN is ready ...

              IRAN, IRANEH. IRAN, IRANEH
              Last edited by Mansoor; 04-22-2006, 05:07 PM.
              We thank and support Mr.Kamran Delan for many years of dedication and service to Iranian Football Community.
              Go IRAN!

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                #8
                I remember the WC game between Germany and the saudi's,where saudi's lost big time..was is 6-0 or something like that.....I felt bad and felt embarresed for the saudi's........but, I know,the reason they lost that bad, was not because they deserved to lose like that, but because,they had lost it in thier mind !!
                they were intimidated so much,they totaly let it go !....I am not saying,they could have won the game, But they did not deserve to lose that bad either..
                ....some of us, have lost it also,already !.....
                The worst lost we had was to Holland,which was far better than us then,and since we have closed the gap .
                We are not that bad, nor is mexico that much better than us....
                I say one thing, if we as fans," lose it ! ", and consiquently our players too..It would be the most damageing to our people,and our dignity,and our football.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by faraz
                  If we do miserably, trust me, the last thing I'd want is for people to come to the forum and say "i told u so, i knew it, i knew that, he should've done this..." and blah blah blah, and take SATISFACTION in being right even though TM failed.
                  if we don't do so well, I think people would argue over "why" and if we do well, people will argue over "how".

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                    #10
                    mansoor jan,
                    "it is easy to merely string along a few words like : iran goes in , annihilates mexico 12 - 0 , with ali daei scoring 6 within 5 minutes and mirzapoor scoring a brace and .... "

                    but the point is :
                    ( and pay attention here ) based on recent TM performances, and their inability to keep the goal, defend and show anything down the left side ( unless some of us think we are pakistan, and scoring against the lowly taiwan is a great feat ! ), and .... shows that the original scenaior has a huge possibility of happening.

                    branko's refusal to acknowledge and then deal with the defense's woes, his neglect of the left side, his suspect player selections, his even more suspect subbing, ... all have been the mainstay of his tenure in the past 2 years.

                    how can you deny all those?

                    I understand you exert yourself to come up with a counter, thus the "we surprise with 2-3 goals in ...." piece.

                    but then again, I can ask : in the past 2 years, where and when did you see such things happen, against such superior opposition?
                    give me ONE occasion, and I will concede.
                    quite a futile attempt, I must say.

                    but I can give you plenty of cases where the line up was that, the subs were that, the system was that, the tactics and attitude of the game was that, .... etc.


                    =============

                    as for what behzad jan said:

                    I have said it many times, and will say it again.

                    if we win mexico by 2-3 goals ( be it as a result of beautiful football or an ugly one ) , I will come here and say I am a fool and I repent and ask for forgiveness from one and all.
                    ok?

                    I wont bother with the reverse situation from others, coz ppl coming here and saying things will not reverse TM's bad result.
                    ( no point crying over spilled milk ! or as we say in parsi : "nooshdaroo pass az marge sohrab ... " )
                    so ppl can keep their opinions till whenever they like.

                    ================

                    faraz jan, "one milimeter is all it takes" is fine.

                    but BEFORE this "one mm" theory, come a lot of other decisions.

                    decisions that can and WILL make or break a team's fortunes.
                    decisions like :

                    -putting a fit keeper, rather than an unfit one.
                    -putting in form defenders instead of out of form ones
                    -placing the players where they can serve the team better, rather than where they fade away and cant contribute.
                    -subbing the right player in, rather than the wrong one.
                    -adopting the right and correct attitude and system for the game, rather than the wrong one
                    ...... etc.

                    only then, we can talk about "one mm" this side or that side, as the teams will be on equal footing.


                    now you see, a couple of bad decisions can turn a win to a loss!

                    now, you ask why I press for removal of branko, even at so late a stage?


                    ===============

                    mansoor jan, it is quite noble to say "iran will win, iran will....".
                    I'm with you.

                    but alongside this, we must make sure we have a realistic chance of realizing this.

                    you cant go to a race, sit in your peykan and close ur eyes and say " I will win, I will win, I ....", without the right tires, the right gas, the right pit crew, the right .... , while the rest of the cars are ferrarris and porches, and armed to their teeth !

                    you go to that race with the wrong tires ( one side almost punctured or airless . I think u know which side by now ), headlights missing a few bulbs, totally wrong and spurrious gas, transmission half out of order, .... and still expect to win anything !

                    do you?


                    ================

                    zz jan, I agree there is not too much of a difference between us and mexico.

                    but that is when we are at our "maximum best".
                    which means we have the right system, the right tactics, the right players, ... all fit and in form, and .... etc.

                    truthfully, tell me, are we at our maximum ?
                    Last edited by Doctor DOOM; 04-22-2006, 10:33 PM.

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                      #11
                      Payman jan,

                      One can check the odds posted by Gambling sources around the world and see where Iran ranks up. not very high!! and that's an understatement.

                      However it is very possible to upset teams. We have seen it happen before so many times. We upset U.S although we had plenty of "shortcomings" back then too. So it is possible, although unlikely. As it is , It would NOT surprise me a bit if Portugal and Angola advance. (And believe me, I have never seen Angola play), Where on earth is this Angola anyways.

                      ---------------
                      Faraz jan,

                      about that "I told you so" stuff, the reverse of the situation has already happened.

                      I remember when Iran lost to Japan and Korea and the pressure was on, and then Iran lost to Macedonia, and a lot people came on these same boards and said, Iran's poor performance is the fault of those Critics, aka "bashers" of Branko and Daie.

                      so, I think it's more likely that in case TM don't do well at the WC, the same guys would come here and say they didn't do well because YOU BAD GUYS, "bashers" didn't let them work and ruined them emotionally, or things like that. And if the TM do succeed they come here and say "you see we are right about branko and you bad guys were wrong".

                      And ofcourse you will have some "I told you so threads" from the other side too.
                      Either way get ready to close a lot of threads after the WC,

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                        #12
                        behzad jan, USA was nothing great back in 98.

                        altho' they reached the 1/8's in 94, that was on home soil and with a lucky draw.

                        so beating the 98 USA is NOTHING like the usa of 2002.

                        I think you may have mixed up the two a bit.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by behzadb
                          Faraz jan,

                          about that "I told you so" stuff, the reverse of the situation has already happened.

                          I remember when Iran lost to Japan and Korea and the pressure was on, and then Iran lost to Macedonia, and a lot people came on these same boards and said, Iran's poor performance is the fault of those Critics, aka "bashers" of Branko and Daie.
                          Behzad Jan,

                          I do recall such a period, and to blame these "critics" is no different than blaming Branko. As a professional coach, especially in Iran, Branko must have known (being an assistant coach before taking over the helm) how difficult the media is, and how high the expectations are. I expect him to handle the media in a professional matter, and go on about his business. Of course this is easier said than done, and I do understand the frustration that Branko has, having qualified with one game in hand and still being hounded in the media.
                          Nontheless, to blame the critics is not exactly a viable scapegoat by any means - rather, the blame must be shared by the harsh critics of TM (notice, i say TM and not Branko - TM and Branko are a union, ONE entity, not 2), unevitably the coach (he is responsible for wins and losses), and the players.

                          Originally posted by behzadb
                          so, I think it's more likely that in case TM don't do well at the WC, the same guys would come here and say they didn't do well because YOU BAD GUYS, "bashers" didn't let them work and ruined them emotionally, or things like that. And if the TM do succeed they come here and say "you see we are right about branko and you bad guys were wrong".

                          And ofcourse you will have some "I told you so threads" from the other side too.
                          Either way get ready to close a lot of threads after the WC,
                          I can't really say so or believe your first statement until we do poorly (which I hope to God does not happen). The validity of the claim can easily be debated.

                          One thing is for sure - I truly hope I DON'T have to close threads, and that we can put our personal egos aside, be reasonable, and discuss the "why's and how's" as you mention, instead of playing the blame game.

                          Finally, I wish for us to all unite and bask in our 3rd EVER appearance at the WC. Regardless of win, lose, or draw, I know that I will be proud of our team for bringing a nation of 70 000 000 constant joy, in an otherwise unstable society.
                          We thank and support Mr.Kamran Delan for many years of dedication and service to Iranian Football Community.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Doctor DOOM
                            behzad jan, USA was nothing great back in 98.

                            altho' they reached the 1/8's in 94, that was on home soil and with a lucky draw.

                            so beating the 98 USA is NOTHING like the usa of 2002.

                            I think you may have mixed up the two a bit.
                            Peyman Jan,

                            I do hope you know Iran played every single game in 98 as the underdog! We were by no means a better team than the US, and relatively speaking, I'd say we're much much closer to them now than we were back then - and what happened?

                            I don't understand why you try and downplay such a historic, important and challenging vicotry for our nation. That is somewhat disrespectful to our players, who had a coach with simple messages of "just don't lose by too much", and only raw talent and Gheyrat on which to thrive. And yet, you try and minimize the importance and greatness of that win????

                            I do not recall a more pessimistic person that yourself. The worst part is, you're so damn intelligent, but have no idea how to use it positively- this is an objective view from someone on the outside!
                            We thank and support Mr.Kamran Delan for many years of dedication and service to Iranian Football Community.

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                              #15
                              agha faraz, I wish you wouldnt be so liberal in using words like "downplaying historic wins ..." when in no shape and form I have done so.

                              I said, behzad may have mistaken the strenght of usa 98 with that of 2002.

                              yes, we were the underdogs at 98.
                              so was the usa of 98.

                              but to compare iran-usa of 98 , to iran-mexico of 2006 is not exactly precise.
                              .... and before you tout "numbers" which mean little, I am talking about TM's performances.

                              which means I have kept TM's recent games in mind when I wrote the original piece.
                              which means I am considering a normal day with normal ocurrances and dynamics.


                              just to make it clearer: prior to our 98 games, we went to croatia and played one hell of a game that impressed everyone.
                              we failed to score a couple of sure-shot goals and came off 2-1 ( not that the score matters ). but the way we played oozed of confidence, skill, talent and ... .
                              and beleive it or not, a defeat of the lowly usa was very much possible.

                              now, we have much more talent and potential ... which is going to be wasted due to wrong selection and wrong system and ... .
                              so it is safe to say we wont be at our maximum best at all !
                              that too, against such an impressive mexican team?
                              think about it.

                              read the original piece again.
                              tally it with what we have shown and seen and what branko has done inrecent times.
                              that will tell you the maximum possibility.


                              =================

                              you talk about "pessimism".
                              I look at this as a warning.

                              do you call someone who tells you dont put your hand in the fire, a pessimist.

                              he's just telling you, you put ur hand into the fire, you're gonna burn, scald and experience excrutiating pain.

                              is he a pessimist?
                              Last edited by Doctor DOOM; 04-23-2006, 12:21 AM.

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