Daei's Dispute with IFF (Navad Show)

[Ali Chicago]

If you saw the most recent episode of the program 90 (the part that Daie disputed his contract issue with IFF), I would love to hear your reaction.

I don't want to talk about WC 2006 and Daie had to retire sooner or later or his TM head coaching (so if u are a pro or anti Daie) please don't bring about the old baggage to this thread. This is about his recent dispute with IFF and more specifically his demeanor in Navad.

In this dispute who is more right (I personally think both sides have an argument but over all who is more right)?

Do you think it is fair that Daie got 800 million tomans (800k dollars) for head coaching the team Melli and Team Melli even paid for wearing the Jerseys that his company made?

Daie's performance in 90 program (his interaction with Salehi and Ferdoosi poor) do you consider it professional, average or below average, poor?

Thank you.

[maij]

I saw that program and I actually switched channel while Daei was going on and on.

The question I am asking : Why is Daei ( and Ferdoswsipour is the culprit ) , is allowed so much TV air time to explain what is basically a personal issue between him and his employer? Why is Daei using such a public tribune for self promotion? In fact why is the TV is being used as a court of law ?

I've always had a great respect for the man (Daei) . I know that he has done a lot for his country and I have personally witnessed some of his utmost dedication , I believe he was ill-treated by IFF ...BUT...there is always the right place and the right time to deal with issues...Daei Hijacked the Navad program which belongs to all , to air his grievances while he should really go to the court or FIFA as the case might be.

I was not against giving him 10 or 15 minutes , but He hijacked Navad and that is quite irresponsible and a selfish act. Beside that , he was NOT putting his case properly...I suggest he hires a good lawyer and he maintains silence in the court

However m without going into minute details , I think Daei has a very good chance of winning his case even in a court in Iran. He has quite a lot of positive legal arguments. For example , I really can't see how on earth the IFF is claiming that Daei's is out of contract which expired after a year from his appointment ( meaning they did not sign another contract) , while the man is sitting on TM bench and doing his work ???

Also one truly laughable issue was this Salehi , the head of appeals committee who was interviewed at the beginning of the program. He said that his committee has done what they think is right (reject Daei's appeal ) and he wishes success to Daei. At which point the TV reporter said to him " but you just rejected Daei's appeal , how come you are wishing him success.?? " at which the guy just smiled and said " Daei has some points point and if he wins , I will be happy for him !!!"

what the hell is this ....where are they bringing these people from ??

The weirdest thing I have heard for a long time....it just frightens me what sort of people are running this country !!!!!!

BTW: Ali Jan was Daei getting 800 million dollars ?? No wonder he is demanding the money ...wouldn't you ?



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[Ali Chicago]

Merci agha Majid for sharing your thoughts and pointing out my mistake about dollar figures. It is 800k dollars not 800 Million dollars.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ amoo, koja boodi in hameh vaght.
digeh yadi az ma nemikoni, ya taghcheh bala mizari vasse ma?
bishtar ekhtelat kon, dadash.
good to have you back.



speaking of 'back', lets get back to the topic.

1- on one hand I think daei getting 800 Million PLUS BONUSES (tax free) is shitkicking ridiculous.
he did help us during a slump period and he deserves some money. but it sure aint 800 mill.

and no matter how he tried to say he's not after the money and it's the "principle" of the matter, the moment the AMOUNT was disclosed, I doubt he'd find as many supporters or sympathizers... in a country where the poverty line covers about half or more of the ppl!
perhaps a bad move by him to disclose the amount.


2- on the other hand, contractually, he is right.
the moment he was used as a coach after the completion of the first year, it is understood that he is contracted for, at least, the second year. therefore IFF is responsible for upholding the clauses of the previous year's agreement.

and he was used in at least 2 more games on the bench after his first year. so I believe he has the right.


3- as for those "motamam"s , well he's also right, if the process is indeed first the contractee signing, followed by the contractor.

this is typical govnmnt ko*-kalak bazi of weaseling out of paying money to ppl! they do it all the time. except this time , unfortunately for them, they found themselves against a guy famous enough, popular enough and perhaps rich enough to pursue this, even make it a televised issue.


bottomline: although I feel it is simply ridiculous to pay daei 800+ mills for his lajbaazis and failing to qualify, I still think the IFF shd pay him the money.
at least that money is going into the pocket of an IRANIAN, who loves Iran and will spend most of it INSIDE IRAN.

as opposed to a bunch of filthy rishoo mother f**kers who'll embezzle it and then give it to a bunch of stinking syrians or lebanese or ... .

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on a lighter note, I must say I cant imagine the absolute torture haji mayeli must have gone through watching daei get 2 hours of navad air time
haji must have hit the fan every 10 minutes. climbing the walls trying to contact navad by phone to get into a debate or something
lol

I hear he's become so crazy, that a couple of days before navad, he offered to argue the case for IFF against daei.
anything ... as long as he can argue with daei!! hahahaha.
the poor sod has lost it!

[Ali Chicago]

Payman Jaan;

Merci for the kind and no Taghcheh bala aziz. Life threw me a few curve balls that is it.

As for the topic at hand, didnt' item 3 or 4 in the contract stated that price for the second and third year needs to be negotiated? So both Daie and IFF can argue their side? Daie can say why at the end of the first year he still coached the game against Arabistan?

IFF can say Daie didn't start the procss of negotiation for the second year and there wan't an explicit agreement on the seocnd year price, so contract is nulified (as there was a paragraph that said contract is nullified if both parties dont' agree with the price).

This is a judicial issue and probably we need a contract lawyer to find according to the law who is right here. Maybe The-Red who is in trained in legal system can shed a light. As you siad this is a legal issue and being right or wrong morally doesn't mean anything.

What I was really disappointed with was Daie's demeanour during the program. He was aroused, combative. Salehi the other side sound much calmer. GN which isn't even educated as Daie and was really poor in his PR has learned a lot (I guess the man is street smart) how to at least pretend he is calmer, but Daie was so combative, interrupted Salehi numerous times, to the point that Salehi got agitated. Daie has come a long long way from his early days of coaching (improved), but IMHO he has a long long long long way to go still, if he want to coach and be in the public eye. Wish him all the best.

[Doctor DOOM]

ali joon, I'm no lawyer, but I think most of the judges would rule in favor of daei. Armin jan (the-red) can help us out here better as he is.

true that the clause says the 2 parties ought to agree on the fees for the 2nd and 3rd year. but this can be argued that merely the fees were not changed and if daei wanted to charge higher, he has lost his window. but that's it.
coz no judge would rule in favor of IFF when daei has been used as the coach of TM even an hour after expiry of the 1st year.

IFF issued daei an ID card for the next games and I am sure it is mentioned "head coach" which is pretty much damning evidence.



as for daei's demeanor, I am not defending any of it. but I think this daei is a bit more in control of his nerves and emotions than the daei of 3-4 years back.
or at least lets say "less out of control and emotional"

[kami_kakashi]

The program apparently had a lot of positives for the society and after the show SMS were flowing between ppl by millions and everyone had a good laugh at the resulting jokes.

translate to Farsi for the laugh:

"They asked Daei to create a sentence using the word "lawyer". He said I went to shower last night and washed my "lawyer".!



on a serious note. If Daei is serious about building an orphanage with any money he gets from IFF, I am all for it. But in general he needs to be taught a big lesson in humility, a very big one at that. Sometimes it becomes really difficult to understand how Daei and Mahdavikia are from the same football generation yet so different.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ from what I know he's done plenty of good, especially in ardabil.

[kami_kakashi]

^ from what I know he's done plenty of good, especially in ardabil.

Yeah I know he has so has most of our other footballers. Didn't really like it when he talked about the school he has built in Ardebil though. Then again it is easy for me to say I don't know how I would do it if I was in his position.

[zzgloo]

I also, am happy to have Ali back.........
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The little I know, of Law, at least in USA......

when a contract, ends, .....it means, it no longer exists !!!

That is why, many coaches, Including Branko,and Ghotbi,and others, try so hard, to be careful what they sign in the beggining !!

At the best, legaly speaking, at the end of each contract,terms will be on a " Month to Month " bases......and contract money can be divided, and prorated for the extra time served !!

In general, the coaches, such as Daei do deserve the money, as there so many low quality players in IRAN, who get paid even more !!, as matter of fact, Our league pays better to forign players than the persian Gulf countries' leagues do !!
But that is another issue, and another thread !!

When, contract was ending,( or a month before it did ), Daei knew it was going to end...but continuing his job was more important for him ( Then ) than asking for a new contract, which may have had him fired.....
But he did not want to make any risks then..........

He should pay for his risk Now !!

[Ali Chicago]

As for daei's demeanor, I am not defending any of it. but I think this daei is a bit more in control of his nerves and emotions than the daei of 3-4 years back.
or at least lets say "less out of control and emotional"

I totally agree with this part of yoru statement he is improved comparetively, but still even compared to GN (and his improvement in PR), I was sad to see Daie has a long way to go. His face and his body lanugage was so tense. Wether I like it or not, he is the most well known Iranain footballer outside Iran and in a way represnt Iran. Imagine if he gets a position in FIFA and need to deal with the office politics of FIFA.

Anyhow best of luck to Mr. Daie and Persepolis.

[Ali Chicago]

I also, am happy to have Ali back.........
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The little I know, of Law, at least in USA......
when a contract, ends, .....it means, it no longer exists !!!
That is why, many coaches, Including Branko,and Ghotbi,and others, try so hard, to be careful what they sign in the beggining !!
At the best, legaly speaking, at the end of each contract,terms will be on a " Month to Month " bases......and contract money can be divided, and prorated for the extra time served !!
In general, the coaches, such as Daei do deserve the money, as there so many low quality players in IRAN, who get paid even more !!, as matter of fact, Our league pays better to forign players than the persian Gulf countries' leagues do !!
But that is another issue, and another thread !!
When, contract was ending,( or a month before it did ), Daei knew it was going to end...but continuing his job was more important for him ( Then ) than asking for a new contract, which may have had him fired.....
But he did not want to make any risks then..........
He should pay for his risk Now !!

I basically see the situation the same way as you described above. Both sides IFF and Daie didn't do due deligence and both sides now need to compromise rather than this embaressing situation on national TV.

Overall I think it was a miscalucation on Mr. Daie's side from the Public Relation point of view. He may legally be totally right. Coaches like Branko got to the last dime of their money or even PP players who didn't play a single game (I think the guy's name was Nikolyevski) for PP got to their last dime. But they were forigeners and Mr. Mr. Daie (who may have legally be the winner of this case) should have realized no matter what FIFA's verdict (assuming he goes to FIFA), this will be a PR fiasco for him in Iran.

[Keano]

As the discussion around Daei's Contract with IFF initiated on Navad, I was somewhat exciting to hear what he had to say and what the outcome of this argument encounter will be at the end of his TV appearance, however in all honesty I was disappointed by how this matter was handled by both parties, particularly Daei. First off going into details of such contracts on a very popular international TV show was purely inappropriate and unprofessional. at some point during the argument I got a felling as if this was the courtroom and I was watching live broadcast Judge Judy on an IRIB TV!

What also bothered me was the way Daei handled the argument, although some slim signs of improvement may be observed in his tone and overall demeanor, but still I saw the old aggressive and misbehaved Daei with little tolerance towards criticism and disliked questions/statements... At one point it seemed as if he was sitting kenaare sofreye abgooshto piaaz and arguing with his mom and dad or sister and brothers over his cut allowance, very immature and unprofessional behavior from a man who is a graduate from a very highly ranked Iranian university!

As for the IFF and their reps I am speechless...

[maij]

What is Daei's probelm?

[Essi]

Do you think it is fair that Daie got 800 million tomans (800k dollars) for head coaching the team Melli and Team Melli even paid for wearing the Jerseys that his company made?
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Found this regarding his jerseys in his latest interview.

وي در ادامه گفت: ديدم كه يك خبرنگار در يادداشتي نوشته است كه چرا در برنامه نود راجع به لباس*هايي كه به تيم ملي داده*ام و طلبي كه از فدراسيون بابت اين مسئله دارم سوالي پرسيده نشده است. بايد بگويم وقتي سرمربي تيم ملي شدم فيرات با من بود. به فدراسيون فوتبال پيشنهاد داديم كه آديداس يا پوما را به عنوان اسپانسر تيم ملي انتخاب كنند. به مسوولان فدراسيون فوتبال گفتيم كه اگر شما نامه*اي را به رايموند كالموند بنويسيد مي*تواند با ارتباطاتي كه دارد آديداس يا پوما را براي اسپانسري تيم ملي به تهران بياوريم، اما متاسفانه آقايان سه ماه امروز و فردا كردند و كميته بازاريابي فدراسيون فوتبال اصلا نامه*اي ننوشت. متاسفانه كسي نبود كه پاسخگوي ما باشد. كالموند هم نمي*توانست خودش همينجوري برود با آديداس و پوما صحبت كند. اين باعث شد كه مسوولان فدراسيون فوتبال به من نامه بزنند و بگويند كه لباس*هايي را براي تيم ملي تهيه كنم. اين نامه*ها هم اكنون وجود دارد ضمن اينكه من اسپانسر تيم ملي نبودم كه بخواهم براي دادن لباسها به فدراسيون پول بدهم.