Is Traxtor Shazi,used as Sepretist movement ??

[RaginG Inferno]

Respectfully, I don't think you understand half of the proper nouns you just used in your post.

Please consult the Encyclopaedia-Iranica.

[Kavian]

Respectfully, I don't think you understand half of the proper nouns you just used in your post.
Please consult the Encyclopaedia-Iranica.

Respectfully, please stop being a typical Iranian who knows nothing but to find faults in people. If you have an opinion express it and let others do the same. You try to set an example of how to write with proper nouns.
But show me that you have an understanding of the subject first ...

Have a nice day ..

[Kavian]

Khamenei is Azeri, they are certainly not a repressed minority if they are able to become the Rahbar of the nation. The IRIB channels in Tabriz and Ardabil are even in their own language.

Is this what you call proper English? I rest my case ..

[Keano]

With all due respect Kavian jaan, I find your post entirely contradictory and self destructive. Your suggestion of Persianizing the whole country will contribute nothing but more division and distance between all ethnicities withing the country. "Let's be Persian" "Let's start a Pan Persian movement" these words imply nothing but selfishness and defiance of the Persian ethnicity towards their beloved Iranians of other ethnicities. These type of statements make all non Persians of the country think as if they do not belong there and to their own country.

Trying to copy the failed and rot Pan-Arabism and Pan-Turkism is yet another desperate and despicable act which do not fit in today's modern world, let alone competing against them...

In simple words, Persian is an ethnicity, Arab is an ethnicity etc, however Iran and Iranian is a nationality, when you say We are Persians, you clearly deny and ignore millions of non Persian Iranians, this indeed infuriates them!

Am I making sense?

Cheers,
Keano

[zzgloo]

With all due respect Kavian jaan, I find your post entirely contradictory and self destructive. Your suggestion of Persianizing the whole country will contribute nothing but more division and distance between all ethnicities withing the country. "Let's be Persian" "Let's start a Pan Persian movement" these words imply nothing but selfishness and defiance of the Persian ethnicity towards their beloved Iranians of other ethnicities. These type of statements make all non Persians of the country think as if they do not belong there and to their own country.
Trying to copy the failed and rot Pan-Arabism and Pan-Turkism is yet another desperate and despicable act which do not fit in today's modern world, let alone competing against them...
In simple words, Persian is an ethnicity, Arab is an ethnicity etc, however Iran and Iranian is a nationality, when you say We are Persians, you clearly deny and ignore millions of non Persian Iranians, this indeed infuriates them!
Am I making sense?
Cheers,
Keano

I thought about this issue presented by kavian alot.......
I must say, I kind of agree with him.....
Although,you also have a point,and indeed,we need to be proud of Diversity in our country,and should not be isolationist,or ultra nationalist....yet, I do not believe,what kavian says is " Isolationism ", or " Ultra nationalism "...
Most European Countries,have immigrant from all over the world.....yet, there is no need to change the name of the country.....
When 2550 years ago, Cyruse the great Incorporated " Medes " within the greater persia, or later or Armenia,or Iyonia, or Lidia,etc,etc.....the name " Persia " did not change........nor those minorities were ejected or elianated !!..In fact there were more welcome than where they used to be at,or even when they had thier own country.( Cyruse's Human rights ).
The name had always been persia untill just 90 years ago....that is to say, we have had " persia " for 5200 years,and the Country " Persia " for 2400 years..and " IRAN " just for 90 Years....
Nor have we ever had " Iranian Gulf " for 2500 years....it has always been Persian Gulf.....
there is no need to change a name of such historical magnitude, just to prove we value our Diversity !...we can do that without the change as well.
With all due respect,to all our enthnicities we have in our country,and to thier historical contributions...... "" almost "", all the Glories we have had as a country,through out this 5200 years, has been because of " Persia ", not because any of our ethnicities, nor because of " IRAN ".

[Kavian]

With all due respect Kavian jaan, I find your post entirely contradictory and self destructive. Your suggestion of Persianizing the whole country will contribute nothing but more division and distance between all ethnicities withing the country. "Let's be Persian" "Let's start a Pan Persian movement" these words imply nothing but selfishness and defiance of the Persian ethnicity towards their beloved Iranians of other ethnicities. These type of statements make all non Persians of the country think as if they do not belong there and to their own country.
Trying to copy the failed and rot Pan-Arabism and Pan-Turkism is yet another desperate and despicable act which do not fit in today's modern world, let alone competing against them...
In simple words, Persian is an ethnicity, Arab is an ethnicity etc, however Iran and Iranian is a nationality, when you say We are Persians, you clearly deny and ignore millions of non Persian Iranians, this indeed infuriates them!
Am I making sense?
Cheers,
Keano

Keano Jaan --
Thank you for your comments.
I am not suggesting to Persian-ize the whole country, because the whole country is already Persian. In fact a good portion of the middle east region is Persian. You will find them all over, in Georgia, Chechnia, FSU Rep of Azerbiajian, in Tajikistan, Uzebekistan, Turkmenstan, Afganistan, Pakistan, India, Iraq, Turkey, every where! And I am not making this up. It is all over the pages of history.
I am not suggesting an underground movement to start creating a new identity. I am only suggesting to go back to our roots. You will be surprised to know that Kurds, Bulachis and Azeris associate themselves more with Persian than Iran. Iran (Aryan) implies more of a ethnicity or race than Persian. And for the life of me I have yet to find what exactly is Iranian.
As far as I am concerned there are no non-persian Iranians!

And Persian is more than ethnicity is identity! Is the core and establishment of what we are all about, regardless of ethnicity.

What I am suggesting is to rebuild the identity. Forget about what the so called modern world accepts. A good portion of that modern idea is for the benefit of those who created the notion. We need to do what is best for us and to me that is simply to revive who we are.



Respectfully,
K.

[Nokhodi]

I thought about this issue presented by kavian alot.......
I must say, I kind of agree with him.....
Although,you also have a point,and indeed,we need to be proud of Diversity in our country,and should not be isolationist,or ultra nationalist....yet, I do not believe,what kavian says is " Isolationism ", or " Ultra nationalism "...
Most European Countries,have immigrant from all over the world.....yet, there is no need to change the name of the country.....
When 2550 years ago, Cyruse the great Incorporated " Medes " within the greater persia, or later or Armenia,or Iyonia, or Lidia,etc,etc.....the name " Persia " did not change........nor those minorities were ejected or elianated !!..In fact there were more welcome than where they used to be at,or even when they had thier own country.( Cyruse's Human rights ).
The name had always been persia untill just 90 years ago....that is to say, we have had " persia " for 5200 years,and the Country " Persia " for 2400 years..and " IRAN " just for 90 Years....
Nor have we ever had " Iranian Gulf " for 2500 years....it has always been Persian Gulf.....
there is no need to change a name of such historical magnitude, just to prove we value our Diversity !...we can do that without the change as well.
With all due respect,to all our enthnicities we have in our country,and to thier historical contributions...... "" almost "", all the Glories we have had as a country,through out this 5200 years, has been because of " Persia ", not because any of our ethnicities, nor because of " IRAN ".

We're talking history and language on a football forum, but just a small note.
Medes, Arabs, Azeri, Lor, Baluch... many ethnicities and cultures were incorporated into the great Persian empires, but at no time was the empire actually called "Persia" or "Parseh". I think the name Iran was a more common term even back then.

[Kavian]

We're talking history and language on a football forum, but just a small note.
Medes, Arabs, Azeri, Lor, Baluch... many ethnicities and cultures were incorporated into the great Persian empires, but at no time was the empire actually called "Persia" or "Parseh". I think the name Iran was a more common term even back then.

I don't alwasy trust Wikipedia, but there is a good account of history there that describes the origin of Azeris.

It is worth reading ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Azeris

[Adesor Vafaseya]

I don't alwasy trust Wikipedia, but there is a good account of history there that describes the origin of Azeris.
It is worth reading ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Azeris

or the one I posted in here earlier, better than wiki:

http://www.iranchamber.com/people/ar...an_turkism.php

[Keano]

Amoo jaan,

The link you provided is broken and incomplete, here is what I got:

For any number of reasons, the file you requested [ http://www.iranchamber.com/people/ar...an_turkism.php ] was not found on this site.

If you surfed from somewhere else to here, the Webmaster who maintains the site you came has a broken link. If you clicked a link from somewhere within iranchamber.com, we're the guilty party. Please do let us know which page you came from and the name of the link in the location box. While we can offer no quick fix for the brokenness you are currently experiencing, we will act swiftly to save others from being similarly misled.

In any case, by now you definitely want to be anywhere else than here. Here is a link to our homepage, it's always nice to have you here.

[zzgloo]

We're talking history and language on a football forum, but just a small note.
Medes, Arabs, Azeri, Lor, Baluch... many ethnicities and cultures were incorporated into the great Persian empires, but at no time was the empire actually called "Persia" or "Parseh". I think the name Iran was a more common term even back then.

1-This is not " Football " forum....it is " Football Plus " forum...and this is the " Plus " part !!!!

2-What do you think was the country's name, untill it changed 90 years ago ?.....for thousands of years ? ........it was called " PARS " !

3- What was the country the dynesties of Hakhamaneshian or sassanian belonged to ?........it was "PARS ".

4- Why through out history, all over the world, we were called " PARS " by easterners and " Persia " by westerners.

5- Why, a small minority , living in INDIA, for 2000 years, are called " PARSIES " by Indians ?

6- Why the name of our language is called " FARSI " ?

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IRAN, which means the " Land of Aryans ",refer to a Historical movement..and it is name of a " Plato ", or in Farsi " FALLAAT " !
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._and_dynasties


The above site,and its information.....is what we " IRANIANS/PERSIANS " must be most proud of .

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Amoo jaan,
The link you provided is broken and incomplete, here is what I got:

sorry, for some reason our site shortens the link. But since I have a smart azari brain, I found an Azari solution:

type: www.iranchamber.com

then add this after the .com:

/people/articles/language_azeri_people_pan_turkism

and u r there...

Azaringly yours
The Vafaseyan Adesor

[RaginG Inferno]

Respectfully, please stop being a typical Iranian who knows nothing but to find faults in people. If you have an opinion express it and let others do the same. You try to set an example of how to write with proper nouns.
But show me that you have an understanding of the subject first ...
Have a nice day ..

LOL!
I said that you did not know the definition of the proper nouns that you used in your sentence, I wasn't questioning the grammatical correctness of your sentence construction; that's certainly the least of my concerns.

Your use of 'Iran' and 'Persia' demonstrates that your grasp of these concepts is fundamentally flawed. It's difficult to make arguments regarding concepts when there are essential misconceptions as to what these concepts actually denote.

Iran and Persia are not synonymous concepts. Consult the Encyclopaedia-Iranica, and, when you have, then reconsider your position.

[RaginG Inferno]

When 2550 years ago, Cyruse the great Incorporated " Medes " within the greater persia, or later or Armenia,or Iyonia, or Lidia,etc,etc.....the name " Persia " did not change........nor those minorities were ejected or elianated !!

Hahaha! The empire that Cyrus created by uniting the Medes and the Persians was only referred to as the "Persian Empire" by some foreigners, most notably, the Greeks.

We referred to ourselves as the Aryanaa, which is the term which 'Irania' now descends from.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

^

yes Ragy is right!
We always referred Iran, when Cyrus united the Aryan tribes, he gave the country a United Name: i.e. IRAN land of Aryans.

The Greeks and outsiders referred to us as Persian Empire, since the most known province in Iran to them was PARS province... same as us calling them YUNAAN... the name of their country was/is "HELENIA" but to us the next bordering province in Helenia was Yunaan province, thats why we called the whole country Yunaan.

and BTW Azaris are no minority groups in Iran but rather a large one.
Many of Iranian Kings (Saffavis, Qajjars etc..) were Azaris.

even in todays Iran many personalities are Azaris such as Ali D., Karim Bagheri, Hossein Rezazadeh.

NOW GUYS Do you remmeber REZAZADEH rejecting Millions of USD offer ex Turkey to Weightlift for Turkey???............. and all Azaris are hot blooded Iranians!

Those people in stadiums as I said before where Separatists ex Turkey!