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    #16
    Originally posted by Martin-Reza
    First of all Bagheri, other than Mirza and probably Nosrati, was a player of high international class and for such players it is not acceptable to present an opponent three goals in a very decisive match. Neither Nosrati nor Mirza have given away three goals foolishly in a damn important game.
    Just to clear out any misunderstandings, I don't want Bagheri in TM because of his current performances, not because of his mistakes in 2001. Just because people overrate his current performances and of course can't be convinced easily, it helps to bring up the 2001 example sometimes .
    ok
    Last time I checked he was the best defender in IPL this whole season. He played better than Golmohammadi and Nosrati Combined. We will see how much you will critisize Rahman Rezaie if he performs badly in the WC. and btw, very wise of you to get ur point accross by a game from 4 years ago since you mentioned people will not buy you reasonings of Bagheri s current form.
    your entitled to ur opinion. It s just funny you re the only person here who keeps bringing 2001 up again
    I guess people have to use any negative comment possible on a player to make their point accross.
    ABED1ZADEH -KAR8IMI -BAG6HERI Forever

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      #17
      Originally posted by 186forever
      ok
      Last time I checked he was the best defender in IPL this whole season. He played better than Golmohammadi and Nosrati Combined. We will see how much you will critisize Rahman Rezaie if he performs badly in the WC. and btw, very wise of you to get ur point accross by a game from 4 years ago since you mentioned people will not buy you reasonings of Bagheri s current form.
      your entitled to ur opinion. It s just funny you re the only person here who keeps bringing 2001 up again
      I guess people have to use any negative comment possible on a player to make their point accross.
      I think Bagheri sucks, but I don't know how I could convince anyone of that. Then again, it's not necessary to do so I guess.

      Same about why Daei plays and Mobali isn't in the roster, why Azizi is not needed and Zare plays. I'm glad Team Melli is lead by pros and not underlies democratic rules, cause then we wouldn't even beat Pakistan soon

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        #18
        bagheri with his mistakes is ten times better than the alternative that plays just because he is daei's roommate!
        this is the fact:
        fans and tm are split... something that branko has said it himself!

        you could jsut go by and say fock the whole nation or a dorn large proportion of the nation! or you can try and see what has gone on here!

        people are not idiots and they do not need to be holding an A license to see that Branko has not offered any proper answers nor has he shown that he is interested in accepting his flaws in thoughts! frankly I do not believe that he has it between his ears to have a solution...he has rached his pinacle with team Iran..Branko's capacity is saturated...but thats my opinion! I would change my opinion if the man himself offered some decent and reasonable answers!

        He has shown that he can call up Azizi just because he is asked to! he has shown time and again that there are plenty of non technical issues that runs his mind..on that ground it is very natural to see the sad state of our national team!

        it is flat out BS to claim that Mirza is Iran's best keeper, or Yayha is the best sweeper or nosrati is the best left back or zandi is the best for his spot or daei is the best striker in Iran! because of all of these BS , stupid, and illogical choices and refusing to even try and I say try back to back with decent time to see the alternative that the people of Iran have turned their backs on the current coaching staff to apoint that Branko declares it too!
        deerooz, emrooz, farda
        zeeremonan
        sheeshtayeea
        The only dynasty of iranian football. ( At least three back to back championships define dynasty, we had moreTeam of the people by the people for the people that fills up 100k stadium like its nothing.
        Future of true professional football if any in Iran!

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          #19
          It is only six weeks away from the big games....let us all get along,and have respect for the TM and its coach who has done everything we had asked from a coach before we hired one after our last coach...
          There wouldn't be any posetive comeing out of naggings and hypethetical alternative suggestions..all who suugest other players were better to choose, or this or that should have been done,just do not get it,that the time for such comments has come and gone....
          what is it with you guys ? are you makeing yourself to say," I told you so " when TM loses ?, is it your plan to not be accountable for our possible future failier ? as to think, the others are losers but not you ?..........
          Why not, being like a normal fan,and cheer for your country,and TM players?
          why not hopeing for the best ?...
          there is nothing wrong in wishing TM to win,and believe they can do it...
          They are going to be critisized,and rediculed by the fans of Mexico,and Portugal etc.....let them atleast believe they are loved and believed in by thier fellow country men...let them know,they have the support of thier people,and let them try to respond to your support.
          We have many inefficiencies,as many other teams do too.....but,now, is the time to set aside our logic,and work with our hearts !!!

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            #20
            bagheri , THIS SEASON ( no need to go back 3-4 years ) has been far more influential than yahya, nosrati, zareh, and kaabi .

            now, how what x or y did 4 years back , is relevent to today, ..... god only knows !
            4 years back, one of iran's best defenders was saeed lotfi.
            I dont see any branko "seeneh chaak"s bringing his name up.

            4 years back, khaziravi was one of the phenomena of the league.
            no branko seeneh chaak makes a peep even !

            4 years back .... .
            well, 4 years back is exactly that . 4 years back.

            what about NOW?
            which is more relevent today , 4-5 weeks left to the WC : 4 years back or today's form of a player ?

            some of us twist all reality to excuse branko's incompetence and failures !


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            zz jan, I will never have any respect for the person who puts his own benefits ( and insecurities ) before TM's.

            and branko has done that.

            remember, the line between a disaster and at least some face-savin g display is very thin ( at this moment, 4-5 weeks left to the games ).

            1- x can select 3-4 wrong players or wrong positioning, and TM will suffer.

            2- y can use the existing players' talent and nature and put in a line up in accordance to TM"S strenght, and TM may yet salvage something.

            branko is the former type.
            that's why I say , even if it takes to the day before mexico game, we MUST throw his arse out.

            single factors such as :
            bad starting line up ,
            bad tactics and system,
            bad substitution,
            bad ....,

            can make or break a team.


            with ouster of branko we at least stand a chance to get something out of this WC !

            coz with him, we can be sure on:
            persistence of TM's defects,
            bad selection,
            wrong tactics,
            wrong positioning of players,
            ultra-defensive attitude which will surely result in our humiliation,
            bad substitution, ..... .
            Last edited by Doctor DOOM; 04-29-2006, 10:47 PM.

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              #21
              Originally posted by perspolees

              people are not idiots
              Now just theoretically assuming they are, would they know it ? And wouldn't they easily misinterprete decisions by someone far cleverer than themselves?

              Just think about it, we don't need to go as far as idiocy, but there indeed is a huge difference in level of knowledge and understanding between fans and professional coaches which appears to be part of the problem. The problem actually is not the mentioned difference, but the refusal of accepting that there is one at all.

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                #22
                I wonder exactly how DIFFICULT is it to notice we have problems in defending ?
                or notice the problems with players playing out of position, or left flank which is almost as good as dead , or .... !

                is it that difficult ?

                I dont think so.

                coz we see 12 and 13 year olds talk about it ( some even in depth. good show lads ) as well as ppl above 40.

                I really dont think it is so obscure or complicated.
                raher easily noticed and found.

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                  #23
                  Martin Reza
                  I m glad that we have people like you who are far more clever than us. We are idiots and we don t know it
                  ABED1ZADEH -KAR8IMI -BAG6HERI Forever

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Martin-Reza
                    I think Bagheri sucks, but I don't know how I could convince anyone of that. Then again, it's not necessary to do so I guess.
                    Same about why Daei plays and Mobali isn't in the roster, why Azizi is not needed and Zare plays. I'm glad Team Melli is lead by pros and not underlies democratic rules, cause then we wouldn't even beat Pakistan soon
                    I don t think u ever will be able to do so(ever wonder why?)
                    "he sucks" now that s better
                    ABED1ZADEH -KAR8IMI -BAG6HERI Forever

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                      #25
                      Just to clear my own conscience and to ensure that I was not too unfair on Mirzapour ....He has just been dropped from his club agaisnt AlQadisiya in ACL due to pooe performance !

                      For good measure , they also dropped Kaebi !

                      I admire any coach , who does not care about names , but judges players on performance and form.
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                        #26
                        It is possible,both Mirzapour and Kabei, are too excited about the WC,and thier participation, and the anticipation of all...so, they either are in the excitement, or worried about getting hurt !!!

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by maij
                          I admire any coach , who does not care about names , but judges players on performance and form.
                          Amen to that!
                          Persian Pride running through my veins!

                          Esteghlal for life!!

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                            #28
                            Mirzapour will need to play a well in the friendlies prior to the WC. His mentality has been that with confidence he makes less stupid mistakes which have been his achilles heal. Ebrahim has generally done well to make the spectacular saves. He just does not seem to have the concentration skills necessary for 90 minutes of continuous play.

                            At this point, it will be difficult to imagine a different keeper for the Mexico game, but if he struggles, I am sure Branko will look in another direction against Portugal.

                            Just keep in mind his performance in the Asian Games of 2002 was exceptional and he was one of the key members of the gold winning Iranian side.
                            We thank and support Mr.Kamran Delan for many years of dedication and service to Iranian Football Community.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by maij
                              Just to clear my own conscience and to ensure that I was not too unfair on Mirzapour ....He has just been dropped from his club agaisnt AlQadisiya in ACL due to pooe performance !

                              For good measure , they also dropped Kaebi !

                              I admire any coach , who does not care about names , but judges players on performance and form.
                              This excusehas been used many times by Branko to not even invite a player to the camp. Let's see what's his reaction to that.

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                                #30
                                Hajagha jan, it could be a strategic move on behalf of Foolad's coach. In order to help out the national team in the upcoming world cup, many club coaches will not play their NT members with only 2-3 games left in the season, especially if the league has already been decided...this way the players are assured of not getting injured right before the WC.

                                Maurinho decided to bench both John Terry and Frank Lampard for the remaining games in the EPL as a favor to Sven and the English people.

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