Football Javab Nadad

[maij]

Football Javab Nadad.

Once again, the rich and the famous footballers failed. But, then again , we are used by the term of failure by our footballers. Of course, the 3-4 loss to Korea and that is after being ahead 3-1 with minutes left to the final whistle, is not an individual failure, it is the whole corrupted , inefficient system that has failed. Starting from the Federation, the clubs, the administrators, coaches and players. Simply put, they are extremely poor value for money compared to the huge investment and the massive attention they are bestowed upon.

What a shame.

[Keano]

Just a few minutes ago on IRINN the sports reporters were discussing our failure in football and startling display of some of our other sports such as Volleyball, wrestling, Track and fields etc. One of the reporters mentioned how exorbitant amounts of money are being spent in our football, yet our teams keep failing in international levels, then he suggested to reduce the budget on football and instead allocate some of that money to other sports that are striving toward success and improvement.

Our football is sick and needs intensive care, cutting its budget won't do it any favor, nor will it make any other sports more popular in the country, we've hit our lowest and seems like we will be on this decline for quite a while. The root of the problem indeed very fundamental and requires years of investing in our youth football and hiring knowledgeable coaches to train our youth.

Long way to go...

[persian-eagle-13]

the icing on the cake would be a failure in ASIAN CUP, to complete the trophy of our failure by IFF.

[maij]

I like this news headline..

فوتبال بازیهای آسیایی گوانگجو؛ کفاشیان و فدراسیون فوتبال"هت تریک" کردند/ امیدها سنت شکنی نکردند تیم فوتبال امید کشورمان با قبول شکست برابر کره جنوبی در دیدار رده بندی بازی*های آسیایی گوانگجو گام در راه تیم*های جوانان و نوجوانان گذاشت تا سومین شکست در کارنامه فدراسیون فوتبال ثبت شود.

[Doctor DOOM]

thanks majid jan. very good read.
all I can add is "heyf-e noon" to all those spoilt, rich, lazy, amateurish footballers who clearly dont deserve a fraction of their wages or the attention iranian fans pour over them.



I'm sure a lot of issues have been and will be mentioned and discussed by everyone. issues like:
- insane decision to sub the in form ansarifard, who had incidentally scored a beautiful goal (and was clearly upset when he came off)

- how porous our defense has been. not only porous, but slow to react which allowed plenty of time & room to the japanese and koreans to dribble and dribble with no problems.

- how we saw shades of the semifinal retreat in this game too, which held promise of more korean goals. some lesson learned!!!!!!!

- hajsafi's continual failures and poor performances

- how we scored individual goals (starting with yet another korean gift , just like the seniors game), but conceded team oriented ones. a great cause for worry.

- and a few others which I'm sure you all would have come across in the forum.

but I'd also like to point at a few I havent seen mentioned;
- rahmati's alarming poor performance vs. japan and korea (that's all I watched. I only watched the goals of the others). this is very similar to what mirza went through under branko, becoming complacent and sure that no matter what, his starting spot is ensured at TM. so why bother practice and train.
this is a warning bell that needs to be attended to.

- even hosseini was nowhere near his usual. yes, yes, he did have some heads here and there. but he made terrible mistakes with his passing (lob after useless lob)

- nor was rezaei any great shakes. from his piss poor japan game to another poor one vs. korea.

- how can a defense get stung by exactly the same routine to allow 2 goals all within a minute? how dumb and inorganized are we? and what the f**k was hosseini's job or reason for the call up if not to control and form a reliable defense line?


all of which begets the question just why did shagholam waste the chance to test more age-appropriate players instead of using these guys and as a result, cause more disruptions in the league.

[maij]

Thanks Doc.

I have no doubt that your analysis is quite accurate . I was not following the match per se as I was watching the Basketball semi final vs. China, but i switched the channel just in time to witness the second goal by Aliasgari from a free kick...and while we are at it , did you see how Sina Ashoori was trying to con everyone that he headed the ball and scored the goal ? I dd not think so and the replay clearly showed that the ball passed the line without being touched and it definitely did not hit Ashoori ... what a cheat this Ashoori is ???

One thing I quite agree with you is the status of Iranian defenses not only in this match but also in general and at all age levels all the way up to the seniors.....It is truly pathetic and without a doubt the Achilles heel of the teams. Rahmati was also pathetic in this competition.

Anyway....Good news of Iran's football is quite rare nowadays....it is so depressing.

[Keano]

did you see how Sina Ashoori was trying to con everyone that he headed the ball and scored the goal ?

Very true, I noticed that too, what a low attempt and pathetic act by Ashoori, I wonder how Aliasgari felt about this. I was very disappointed when I saw this scene!

[Paradigm]

I wonder how come there is hardly any criticism of Peyravani in here? The way U-23 dumped its last two matches showed more than anything that the players did not have a fighting spirit and the needed motivation. The coach is supposed to be able to take care of that situation by finding creative ways to instill the fighting spirit in his or her squad. Usually drawing from history and nationalistic feelings will do the trick... I honestly think Peyravani did not do his job well and should be heavily reprimanded. If this was Ghotbi finishing 4th, everyone would already call for his head. There is a double-standard in here!

[Paradigm]

the icing on the cake would be a failure in ASIAN CUP, to complete the trophy of our failure by IFF.

It won't happen, not under Ghotbi's watch. Besides it will be a new decade in 2011, and hopefully a new trend for the Iran football. I can already feel it.

[maij]

I wonder how come there is hardly any criticism of Peyravani in here? The way U-23 dumped its last two matches showed more than anything that the players did not have a fighting spirit and the needed motivation. The coach is supposed to be able to take care of that situation by finding creative ways to instill the fighting spirit in his or her squad. Usually drawing from history and nationalistic feelings will do the trick... I honestly think Peyravani did not do his job well and should be heavily reprimanded. If this was Ghotbi finishing 4th, everyone would already call for his head. There is a double-standard in here!

The thread was not meant to dissect the illness of Iranian football , and lay blame on who is the culprit. It was a reminder that football is poor value for money in Iran and despite the riches that football is generating , it is not yielding the results and the honors that other sports , with much less investment , are producing.

Perhaps football is at the wrong hands.

But , I do fault Peyrovani partially not for any particular reason except for him being a member of a whole team that failed to produce hence he shares responsibility. In Hindsight I value him way way above Ghotbi in experience , knowledge and resolve while Ghotbi seems a bit more intelligent.

[Paradigm]

But , I do fault Peyrovani partially not for any particular reason except for him being a member of a whole team that failed to produce hence he shares responsibility. In Hindsight I value him way way above Ghotbi in experience , knowledge and resolve while Ghotbi seems a bit more intelligent.

Let's see, was Peyravani assistant to Guus Hiddink and Pim Verbeek in South Korea or led Persepolis to an IPL championship in recent years? Does he have a FIFA "A" lisence? Is he tech savvy in employing computer programs and simulators in soccer? Or had a distinguished career as a footballer (like Daie did)? I can't think of one thing about Peyravani that puts him above Ghotbi, Daie, Ghale'noie, or even Majid Jalali of Foolad who won the IPL with Pas Tehran back in 2004 and helped discover players such as Nekounam, Nosrati, Borhani and Bayatinya. Plus how come we never discuss how much money Peyravani is getting paid for taking U-23 to China and coming back with the worst finish since 1994 for Iran in the tournament???

This Asian Games edition did not even include a squad from KSA, or Australia. The two worthy teams besides Iran were Japan and South Korea and we managed to lose to both. Peyravani did not look professional in his appearance (maybe try wearing a suit?) and in his interviews kept crediting "God" for successes in U-23 footballing matches, to the degree you feel he is ultra religious; kind of reminds me of Mayeli Kohan. The head coach is the primary person responsible for the team's performance and results. Having said this, trust me, if Ghotbi finishes with anything less than a silver medal in the AC 2011, I will be the first to call for his immediate replacement.

By the way, look him up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gholam_Peyrovani -- his main coaching experience is 1999-2009 with Fajr-Moghavemat Sepasi of Shiraz (Baseej team?) that was relegated from the IPL last year! Why would they immediately put a coach whose team is relagated, in charge of the entire country's olympic team? Does not sound like a great decision to me.

[Ali Chicago]

While I can understand the level of disappointment by people and fans. I think our football didn't overachieve but didn't underachieve either. We lost to Japan and Korea. These two teams are better than us, or at least we have a close rivalry with them.

Our basketball lost to China for example (close rivalry). Wrestling since old days and martial art (recently) Iran has been doing well.

I don't mean to be Zede Haal here, but now that pain of failure has subsided and I take a second look, our football did average I think. Two key games, they lost. But in both games, it wasn't like our team was outplayed. To be honest based on what I hear (player play for the first time with each other according to Karim Ansarifard who played next to Sina Ashoori as a holder midfielder), we shouldn't be surprised.

If our Omid would have won the Asian games we shouldn't have assumed our football is on top of Asia and now that we came Fourth isn't the death of our football. Our football needs to be known for what it is. A team based on the improvisation of the individual players, higher physical strength compared to other Asian teams, with lower tactical abilities compared to top Asian teams and porous defense.

Again, I know how disappointed we all are (truly yours included), however being realistic this is what our football compared to Japan and S. Korea is. Close rivalry with these two teams plus the uncertainty of the games at times doesn't play in our favor. Add to all this lack of top notch coaching, tribalism in our football (See Below about Gholmareza Rezai).




Gholamreza Rezaie in his interview in the Khabar Varzeshi claims they didn't go to Sauna or Pool for recovery. According to him they complained to Saiidloo as the Sport Minister but despite him allowing they go to the pool Hefazet didn't allow the footballer to go to the pool (god knows why), maybe they would have seen girls in Bikini (who knows). Point is in Iran things are so shir to shir the some Hezbollahi in Hefazet/Herasat can disobey their own Sport Minister's order.

[Keano]

maybe they would have seen girls in Bikini (who knows).

That sounds like the most likely case scenario. For sure most abroad swimming pools are mixed and men and women share the swimming pools. Oh man backwardness at its best!

[xoraster]

From what I know, there are more foreign coaches in Basketball, Handball, Vollyball, Futsal etc.
Mainly beacause the game is not as lucrative and the politicians and dalals are not promoting their own candidates ( for example Peyrovani and Dae by members of Majlis)

This allows professional coaches to work with relative easy and without hashie while our football teams are coached by the likes of Peyrovani who frankly, have NOTHING to do in the international arena.

[Ali Chicago]

From what I know, there are more foreign coaches in Basketball, Handball, Vollyball, Futsal etc.
Mainly beacause the game is not as lucrative and the politicians and dalals are not promoting their own candidates ( for example Peyrovani and Dae by members of Majlis)
This allows professional coaches to work with relative easy and without hashie while our football teams are coached by the likes of Peyrovani who frankly, have NOTHING to do in the international arena.

Very valid points how in other sports we have a lot of foreign coaches and other sports are progressing even under the same regime.