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    The new 27 men list of TM for asia cup and issues concerning it

    TM's final 27 for the asia cup is:

    Goalkeepers : Rahmati, Mirzapour, Haghighi, Gordan

    Defense: Khosro Heirdari, Pejman Montazeri, Hadi Aghili, Mohammad Nosrati, Jalal Hosseini, Farshid Talebi, Ehsan Haj Safi, Aboozar Rahimi

    Midfield: Nekounam, Teymourian, Ghasem Hadadifar, Pejman Noori, Iman Mobali, Mehdi Kiani, Mohammad Noori

    Strikers: Hadi Noroozi, Gholamreza Rezaei, Shojaei, Karim Ansarifard, Arash Afshin, Mohammad Gholami, Reza Noroozi, Khalatbari

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    Straight off I must say calling mirzapour, hadi noroozi, hajsafi was wrong. Especially when we consider the left back problems and Mahini’s recent performances at ACL.

    I also think he has called a few names like kiani and rahimi to say he’s “open to IPL” … but they’re there just to get cut eventually! We may see arash afshin among the cut list too. Maybe.

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    Having said the extreme short version, here’s the long version:

    I know there are a lot of names that were expected (justified is a different matter though). but is this a balance selection?

    Issue 1- LEFT BACK (hey, what else are we going to start with? )
    I'm afraid ghotbi has been blind and hasnt seen hajsafi's performances as left back in TM and Omid this WHOLE YEAR. otherwise he wouldnt have been called.

    so any fool knows he isnt the right player for the post and if used as LB, we're gonna get hurt ... seriously.


    yeah, yeah, … martin will say nosrati can do this, but we all know nosrati’s best performances are when used as central D, followed by the right side. On the left his performance drops and is incomparable with the other posts. He also wont be able to assist with attacks all that much (plz don’t come up with exceptions. I’m talking about consistency)
    so we’re basically left with a suspect alternative and an out of form player for this post. Hardly something to look forward to.

    It is quite silly since we have seen Mahini’s good performances at this post in recent Asian club champs. He may not be a Maxwel, but by Iranian LB standards, he is a shoe in and certainly head and shoulders above the two players ghotbi seems to have set on.

    I assume heidari is the pick for the RB. But who is his alternative? Nosrati seems a good pick. Is he in ghotbi’s opinion?


    2- Midfield:

    Knowing ghotbi I think Kiani’s chances of getting the slash is higher than the others … no matter how brilliantly he performs during the camp’s sessions. Why do I say this? Because ghotbi insists on calling Mirzapour. Which shows he really relies and depends on the experience of a player and not so much his “present form or performance” (also why he still picks hajsafi over mahini).

    So I guess the new-comer Kiani is the one to be dropped from the list. That leaves neku, pejman, ando and hadadifar + mobaali and Md. Nouri. The first 4 are more of a defensive minded mids + mobali and Nouri, who shd shoulder the more offensive moves and plots. But given Md. Nouri’s recent weeks’ performances, I doubt he’d be much of a force to make an impact. That leaves only mobaali, who admittedly isn’t at his potential best (I’ve seen far better performances from him. Far far better. He seems to have become scared or overly cautious! ).

    I’m just hopping these two will get back in form and become the brains of the team in its forward moves. But with ghotbi we may not even see either of them in a line up. Which means we may end up with a midfield that is packed with defensive minded players with hardly any creativity going forward.

    With that may come haphazard forays up front with very little supply to the forward(s) with forward(s) getting stranded between many opponent defenders. And maybe even a larger than necessary gap between the midfield belt and the forward line, which adds to the abandonment of the forward(s) up front, thus dealing with them easier for the defenders!

    Something we’ve seen consistently and regularly at TM!


    3- FORWARD:

    I’m assuming arash afshin will be dropped from the list becoz ghotbi likes to go with the ‘tried & tested’ and sadly may favor hadi nowroozi to afshin! But miracles are known to happen and maybe he’ll have some sense to keep afshin (even if he doesn’t use him) but drop hadi.


    After daei left (actually a couple of years before he left) we haven’t had a proper center forward capable enough to hold the ball up, have the physical presence of warding off his markers, be a fighter and someone who could buy that extra 2-3 seconds for our mids to come up and add to our numbers. Until I saw Gholami a few months back and now, Reza Nowroozi.

    (which brings me to the absolute shitty decision of dropping Oladi , who has 10 times the potential and capability of the player ghotbi loves to pick ; Hadi nowroozi. Even a blind man can vouch for Oladi’s complete superiority over hadi nowroozi.)

    Of all the strikers (rezaei, ansarifard, gholami, khalatbari, hadi nowroozi, reza nowroozi) only these two are capable and have the characteristics to fulfill the center forward role. (I wont even count shojaei in the strikers list. He belongs to the midfield). Therefore seeing that ghotbi is adamant about using the silly 4-2-3-1 , I really think it makes no sense using any other players for the lone forward than these two. None of rezaei, khalatbari, ansarifard, … can deliver the duties (as we’ve seen this in the past).


    4- … which brings us to the “formation” matter:
    Will we see this, or will we play the formation but with the wrong players?
    Or maybe afshin guardiola will opt for a 4-3-3 with 3 def-mids (he tried the neku-ando-pejman trio once or twice) behind the more 3 offensive players.

    By itself not a disastrous idea … as long as the distances between the 3 lines ( def – mid – forwards) are kept within acceptable range. If the mid 3 due to their defensive character keep closer to the defense and opens up the space between the forwards & the rest of the team, they effectively leave the trio up front stranded with very little support, allow the opponents to claim all the rebound and deflected loose balls and enough time & space to the opponents to plan their attacks carefully. So there is this danger of using this formation with the wrong players.

    I doubt the defense line can be brought up the field so much ( to allow the mids to close the gaps between them and the front 3), simply becoz our defenders are slow and at times not very intelligent on the “off-side” trap. (one thing that underlines barca’s superiority in offense AND defense is that their back line plays so high up. Becoz while they are not too fast, they are very good at offside trapping. Therefore this high back-line adds to the numbers in the middle which gets them the superiority in numbers, which means more pressure on the opponents and higher rate of winning the ball back. This added number also plays into their usual passing game where each player with the ball has at least 2-3 good options to pass to and not just the usual 1 or 2 of other regular teams)

    We cant expect our lads to play so high, so I would say we need to spread the formation in ALL directions, along the length AND breadth of the pitch (to get some wide plays too). So will 3 defensive mids do in this? I doubt it. We need one of them to be the link to the front 3 and fill the gap in between. Hadadifard maybe?


    Will we finally see a proper but simple-n-effective 4-4-2 which we can deliver and perform easier and more comprehensively than other formations? I doubt it given ghotbi's track record!! but man lives on hope.

    It’s all a matter of selecting the right player for each post and each set of tasks/duty. But will we?

    #2
    Arash Afshin is a keeper, the guy is only 18 but he has the ability to score with quick moves. I think Ghotbi realizes he needs a wild card in the strikers' zone and so will keep Afshin (not just because they share a name!)

    The missing names in the squad would be Omranzadeh (in case we have to play the physical Australians) and Zeneyedpour who can help improve the left flank's strength with his technique and speed.

    Doc, speaking of LBs, have you seen Saba's Hamdi-Nezhad and what do you think of him? (The same guy who scored two fantastic goals on Persepolis this past week.)
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      #3
      Originally posted by Paradigm View Post
      Arash Afshin is a keeper, the guy is only 18 but he has the ability to score with quick moves. I think Ghotbi realizes he needs a wild card in the strikers' zone and so will keep Afshin (not just because they share a name!)

      The missing names in the squad would be Omranzadeh (in case we have to play the physical Australians) and Zeneyedpour who can help improve the left flank's strength with his technique and speed.

      Doc, speaking of LBs, have you seen Saba's Hamdi-Nezhad and what do you think of him? (The same guy who scored two fantastic goals on Persepolis this past week.)

      Thursday games provide good oportunity to see all LB candidates in Action

      Sepahan _ Foulad
      Hajsafi _ Jemaati

      Esteghlal _Zobahan
      Mahini

      Naft _ Rahahan
      Rahimi

      Saba _ Shahin
      Hamdinejad

      Hajsafi started as MF , then LB, while Mahini, started in TM Omid as Rb. For Esteghlal he has gradually moved to center , then LB.
      Jemaati used to play MF just like Hajsafi and Hamdinejad.
      Rahimi occationally played Mf for Foulad.

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        #4
        ^^
        on arash afshin I'm with you. but will ghotbi have the same view.
        arash is a very quick footed, opportunistic attacking player who pounces on half chances. many of which most of our strikers wont even bother chasing.


        on defense, apart from the left back issues, I think ghotbi's called pretty much the best we have.
        I rate aghili, hosseini, talebi & nosrati and even montazeri superior to omranzadeh.

        on zeneidpour, I cant answer becoz from the looks of it ghotbi has selected his men based on a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 formation.
        there isnt a single specialist left winger. so I suppose he will use shojaei or khalatbari or even pejman or ... on the left.
        well .... crappy formations have such silly outcomes too

        hamdinejad: cant really say I have noticed him. but consistency matters a lot.
        besides, just becoz he scored 2 goals does not mean he is a great left back. maybe worth keeping an eye on to see if he is good in defending also (as defense is the priority of this post, before attacking prowess)

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          #5
          payman jaan....Good points,... !!
          your observations made a lot of sence.....
          ( except about Nosrati though )..

          The points I am totaly in agreement..

          1- Oladi, should be a starter.......not only he is better than Most we have..but also, in my opinion, his style of play is most suitable playing against Arabs.

          2- Arash Afshin.....Should be given a chance....if we are to build a future.

          3-using Shojaee at the midfield,is a good idea, since we lack speed and authority at the midfield........may be Khalatbari can be used there as well.

          4-..... 4-4-2 is the way to go......although, it may need to be adjusted....depending on whom we play...and also ( as " Celemente " said ) depending on if we have the ball or the opponanat has the ball....

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          My additional two cents :

          1- Bengar should have been invited.
          2- Nosrati...is most solid for our left back ( considering the currant situation )....if we do not want to be surprized.......he could also be asigned to participate more in the offense.
          3- Our midfield, is no longer our streangth...it lacks leadership, and speed,and ball distribution skills........, some energetic players should be tried there ( Shojaee,khalatbari ).
          4- In some situations, if we add Bengar to central defense...Hossaini or Aghili could be experimentaly tried at the center forward.
          Last edited by zzgloo; 12-22-2010, 09:22 AM.

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            #6
            Just had a glance on the squad so far and I must say some surprises, most of them positively, such as Arash Afshin being in there.

            I must say I miss Kaebi and also Oladi and Madanchi. I also still miss Karimi and Mahdavikia, but I have to get over that. Mobali is unnecessary, but I learnt to live with that. The rest is fine with me.

            I just don't know anything about Abouzar Rahimi and Mehdi Kiani. I hope Rahimi is rightback, because otherwise we lack options there.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Martin-Reza View Post
              Just had a glance on the squad so far and I must say some surprises, most of them positively, such as Arash Afshin being in there.

              I must say I miss Kaebi and also Oladi and Madanchi. I also still miss Karimi and Mahdavikia, but I have to get over that. Mobali is unnecessary, but I learnt to live with that. The rest is fine with me.

              I just don't know anything about Abouzar Rahimi and Mehdi Kiani. I hope Rahimi is rightback, because otherwise we lack options there.
              He is LB. For RB Ghotbi had Montazeri in mind.

              I would have prefered to see Rahmani than Rahimi or Mobali.

              Watch Bakhtiar against Esteghlal again and tomorrow against Sepahan.His Energy ,speed, accuracy , vision ,passing technique .. make him one of best in IPL offensive MF if not the best.

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                #8
                One can always discuss if a player or two is left or undeservedly included. But after all it is matter of preference of the headcoach.

                I don't think, anyone who is left or included is any controversial. Ooladi not being included isn't a huge surprise, it isn't like Ooladi was scoring goals left and right for Malavan. I am sure he is very pissed though, one thinks Ooladi can't wait to be over with his military service and get into an European club. This was the chance of a life time for him to get in front of the scouts. Now his hopes are all dashed.

                Madanchi was injured and played 80 minutes 2 weeks ago for the first time. Even on his hay days he wasn't an impact player anyhow.

                Don't expect much from Mobali and rest. This is the most average team (i.e. not having a super star) Iran has had for such a long time. Maybe it is the reality that we need to get used to.


                P.S. While Hajsafi is not in his hay days, I think he isn't as bad as what everyone makes of him these days. His speed on the left back is the key for him to fulfill his defensive duties. He is poor in offensive side lately, but maybe he gets out of his funk. I am sure he will start.
                "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
                Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



                Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
                Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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                  #9
                  ^
                  just to make things clear:
                  Owladi has scored 6-7 goals in IPL as well as a couple in recent TM games.
                  hadi noroozi has scored 2 in IPL


                  you also might wanna check out hajsafi's Omid and TM games in 2010

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                    #10
                    I think that is about the best selection that Ghotbi can get.

                    Yes there are always a few questions here or there about a few players , but ultimately it is the coach that should be convinced and his opinion is the one that matters. Saying that , if I was the coach , my selection would not be significantly different.

                    The concern is not the names per se , but if the team can play as ....a Team!

                    I do not have much confidence in the defense despite the fact that the squad consists of the best defenders available in Iran. Incidentally , I don't have much time for Omranzadeh as I do not think he is Team Melli material.

                    I even have less confidence in the midfield , where teams win or loses battles. The players . including Nekounam , lack vision , creativity and harmony. If Ghotbi plays with one forward , which i suspect will be the case , it is even much more important to have offensive power and potency in this line. Unfortunately , most of them lack that. Instead . we seem to have killers and destroyers NOT creators and artists.
                    I also quite agree with Ghotbi in not selecting Zeneidpour and this player should stop badmouthing the coach for not selecting him. Zeniedpour is a slow thinker . who always needs a few seconds to think about his next move and always seems to be facing the wrong side ! He kills the game's rhythm , very frustrating

                    But ...this is not the World Cup and the opposition are not exactly Portugal or Germany. Team Melli should at least get to the next round and at best make the semi final. Anything beyond that will be a great bonus and beyond expectation....

                    Of course, I shall be there in Doha....Giving the boys a boost and a bit of my wisdom

                    coincidentally , I just realized this is the fifth Asian Cup that I attend....and I am making a return. The first one I attended was way back in 1988 , which was also in Doha.
                    Last edited by maij; 12-22-2010, 03:38 PM.



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                      #11
                      Zeniedpour just said that he would never ever forgive Ghotbi for not inviting him........
                      farhad majidi ,recently ,said good bye to TM, mostly for not getting invited to TM earlier.......
                      kabie, consistantly says things against Ghotbi......
                      etc,etc....
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                      What can be done with such culture and the level of proffessionality ?

                      It seems Ghotbi ,has been very careful, to invite the most commited,and the most ready,and the least controversial..........which may be a good thing :

                      If he realy has succeeded in that task..then,....not inviting some players, may be rightly justified.


                      نهایت دقت را برای انتخاب داشتم
                      سرمربی تیم ملی فوتبال کشورمان با تاکید بر اینکه در انتخاب بازیکنان نهایت دقت را به خرج داده و مواردی چون شخصیت،توانایی فنی، روحیه پیروزی طلبی و ... را در بازیکنان مد نظر قرار داده است افزود: برای من انتخاب این تعداد بازیکن بسیار سخت بود در لیگ فوتبال ایران نزدیک به 500 بازیکن بازی می کنند که از میان آنها 27 را انتخاب کردن خیلی دشوار است.

                      افشین قطبی در ادامه نشست خبری اش با نمایندگان رسانه های گروهی در محل فدراسیون فوتبال درباره دعوت از فرهاد مجیدی و علی کریمی و همچنین شایعه حضور آنها در فهرست 50 نفره ارائه شده به کنفدراسیون فوتبال آسیا نیز گفت: هیچکس در توانایی های مجیدی و کریمی به عنوان نوابغ فوتبال شکی ندارد. آنها در سالهای اخیر زحمت بسیاری کشیده و موفقیت های زیادی به دست آورده اند. من به این بازیکنان علاقه دارم و حتی جزو طرفداران آنها هستم اما زمانی که این دو بازیکن را به تیم ملی دعوت کردم و آنها فرصت کافی برای حضور در تیم ملی داشتند به ناگهان از تیم ایران خداحافظی کردند و من همواره گفته ام که اگر احساس کنم بازیکنی شاید قلب و دلش با تیم ملی نباشد او را دعوت نخواهم کرد ضمن
                      آنکه بحث حضور این دو بازیکن در لیست 50 نفره نیز شایعه است

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                        #12
                        you see when he says "nahayate deghat ra dashtam" one may feel compelled to ask where was your "deghat" when hajsafi was screwing ball after ball, falling behind and generally being the weakest player on the field?

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                          #13
                          On a side issue, here is my thinking about all this... Iraq won the Asian Cup 2007 by beating Australia (3-1 in the quarter finals), South Korea (penalty kicks in the semi-finals), and Saudi Arabia (1-0 in the final), on the way to clinching the big prize. This, while their country was torn into pieces in the midst of a destructive war for several years. Certainly if they're capable of winning the AC so is Iran due to large similarities in the football structures.
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                            #14
                            To be honest I am not too caught up about unfair inclusions or exclusions. I think at this level it will be more about the tactical play than the individual player. Good luck to TM.

                            One thing that Ghotbi has introduced is pressing football if we can execute on this most tier 2 teams should be no problem with any of our squads. The main thing that I am not sure of is the other 4 big teams.
                            Team faghat PERSPOLIS

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                              #15
                              * حسين کعبي که در دقيقه 75 وارد ميدان شده بود، زياد دوام نياورد و با يک تکل خطرناک در دقيقه 85 با کارت قرمز مستقيم داور روبرو و از زمين بازي اخراج شد.

                              this kid still hasnt been able to control himself and his temper, even after this many years of top flight football!
                              maybe this is why qotbi doesnt call him.



                              * قاسم حدادي فر وقتي قصد خروج از زمين به دليل تعويض را داشت، منصور ابراهيم زاده سرمربي ذوب آهن دست خود را براي خسته نباشيد به سمت اين بازيکن دراز کرد ولي حدادي فر دست او را پس زد و حتي روي نيمکت هم ننشست و به سمت رختکن رفت.

                              I'm waiting to see any reaction from qotbi on hadadifar's rude act after his substituion in zob-ahan's game. will that act damn the zobahan player?
                              this was very unexpected as I thought this guy is a down to earth and humble guy. doing this to your coach is bad enough. but to do it to someone like ebrahimzadeh, who is a very decent and cultured coach is beyond rude.

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