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    FIRST HALF:

    1- Hajsafi’s usual foul-up in defending allowed a near goal for qataris. I really don’t know how many times this kid has to screw up as LB for ghotbi to accept he is just not good at LB.

    2- Shojaei, after this many years outside iran and in Europe still has not learned how to defend without fouling the player! This reflects on the player’s intelligence.

    3- Ghotbi’s tactics (his so called modern football) hasn’t changed. It is series of passing between the defenders back and forth till one of them gets bored and lobs the ball up … which usually doesn’t get us anything!
    def --> def -->def -->def -->def -->def -->def --> lob – turn-over
    Or hajsafi’s throw-ins

    4- We have only 3 offensive players, while the other 7 are defensive ones! No wonder the team hasn’t done anything worthwhile in attack and nowroozi hasn’t even been passed to!

    5- The bulk of the team is staying too far behind and close to our goal to help with the 3 men up front!! And the gap between these 3 and the rest is filled with qataris players

    6- Lol … I guess grass rolling is ingrained in arabs’ nature. They do it even in meaningless friendlies!! Hahaha . ridiculous.




    2 years in charge of the team, and the team plays almost as if there’s been no coach in charge. They still lack coordination and teamwork. They still lack tactics. They still do lass-bazi with the ball in defense and then lob!!!!
    Good riddance, mr. international coach. Good riddance to bad rubbish


    note: I hope fifa does watch qatar's games to see what awaits them in the world cup. stadiums with hardly any fans to support their own home team!!! haha.
    traditionally one of fifa's concerns was the elimination of the home team which reduces the number of crowd and fans in stadia. I think with qatar, they face that even without the elimination of the home team

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    SECOND HALF

    1- This Qatari keeper doesn’t seem very confident as he punches balls he shd gather. Even a half wit coach shd tell his players to test him with shots. But …. !


    2- Shojaei was famous for his dribbling …. At least till a couple of years ago.
    But is it me only, to see his dribbles keep failing him again and again? He is hardly able to get past anyone with a dribble!
    I don’t even see a quarter of what he does in osasuna!! So far I must say yet another poor performance by him at TM.


    3- Wow! Nekunam’s got quite a few bad passes in the game so far. This one almost ended up as a goal! his contribution to the game has been dismal so far.


    4- On the other side of the spectrum, rahmati has saved at least 3 100% chances (by 57th minute)


    5- With rezaei’s inclusion our offense has shown some sparks of life. Great combo with nowroozi, and then later with heydari.


    6- Wonderful shot by pejman that hit the post. Loved it.

    Shd see such shots more often


    7- I must say the few balls our midfield gets over the half-line, they simply fail to do anything productive with it, except some lateral passing which ends up with back passes and our defenders! Clearly the team needs a BRAIN (playmaker) to distribute the ball. And with ghotbi’s deficient selection, we have only 2 players (mobaali and Md. Nouri) , both of whom so far haven’t got a single minute yet!
    No wonder the team’s moves are all haphazard and clumsy. Becoz our midfield lacks intelligence.


    8- Poor gholami is also the victim of the arrangement and selection of ghotbi, much like reza nowroozi. They hardly receive any decent balls or passes. And they’re usually up there alone!


    9- The more nekunam shows his poor form, the more pejman shows his good form. This shd be a reminder to those idiots who think a player shd automatically get fixed in the team solely becoz he plays abroad.

    That was the fumbling & pisspoor shojaei. And this is the weak nekunam examples to disprove this stupid theory.


    10- Wow! The weak hadi nowroozi in the 10-13 minutes he was on the field shows more productivity than the 72-75 minutes of shojaei!
    That shows how poor shojaei has been.


    All in all a very weak and crappy performance.
    Some big names like nekunam and shojaei had absolutely poor game, while rezaei & pejman made their case for the starting line up

    #2
    we have too many players with similar quality, but surley ghotbi could have chosen
    about 4 different players to start with at least.


    About the tactics, I say the roots of this is bad player development from an early age, i mean
    some are missing the basic football knowledge and the play for the national team.

    We need a play maker and a proper coach.
    Humanity. Love. Earth.

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        #4
        Aside from the fact that This TM, is not a Champion caliber team....
        yet...
        It was obviouse, the players had not practiced with each other, or any chamistry at all......, it may get a little better, playing for another week or so together.......

        1- Rahmati...as always, is the class of TM.
        2- The two Nouroozis were good ,considering having less experince.
        3-TM has shown no sign of any design.......total lack of intelegent coaching.
        4-Hajsafi.......should not be even used in Sepahan,let alone TM.
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        Wining Asian Cup, requires :

        1- Good players.
        2- Good Coaching.
        3- Good intangables.( unity,Karma,nations' support,etc,etc )

        This team has none of the above.......,
        I do not see TM to go to the secound round.

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          #5
          It isn't like HajSafi is my cousin, but I really don't think he deserves the shellacking that he gets. Doc destroyed Zare on PFDC and now he seemed he did the same with HajSafi. Not that Zare or Haj Safi are frigging amazing, but they are nowhere as bad as Doc makes them.

          Haj Safi was selected by both Payroovani and Ghotbi and their coaching staff. If anyone on PFDC dares to say they know more than these two head coaches and their staff (Peeyooter, Bizhan Taheri, Hadi Tabatabai, Amir Hossien Payroovani, Ali Mansoorian, any many more scouts), well I call that person GUTSY!!?!.

          I remind everybody these are preparation games, Ghotbi might be experimenting with different players in order to select his starting line.

          Today Nekoo and Shojaie were really poor and Khalatbari had an off day (in part due to lack of support). I won't be as pessimistic as everyone else (at least not yet). I am not saying this team is amazing, this team based on the available talent is the best we have (one can always argue one or two players but this pretty much what we have).
          Last edited by Ali Chicago; 12-28-2010, 01:49 PM.
          "When I see the good in you, you get motivated, feel good about yourself and that creates synergy. It creates an environment where everybody can work better together. I think in the Iranian culture it becomes very ordinary to always see the bad in each other."
          Afshin Ghotbi ( Former TM Head Coach)



          Nasser Hejazi was the Takhti of our football.
          Mohammad Panjali (Former PP and TM Captain)
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              #7
              Originally posted by zzgloo View Post
              It was obviouse, the players had not practiced with each other, or any chamistry at all......,
              I see this mentioned by a few others too (I think ali also brought it up too). so I'd appreciate it if my friends here can enlighten me on a question I have on the matter:

              was this the first time nekunam was playing next to ando? or aghili next to hosseini? or shojaei with hajsafi? or khalatbari & heydari? or nouri and nosrati? or ... (feel free to mix and match the staple TM names that have been playing in TM for more than 2-3 years now)?

              really? "no chemistry" or "not long enough" is the best defense ghotbi has got for this sad excuse of hardambil football?

              coz if that is it, then (at the risk of repeating myself) good riddance to one bloody charlatan who really needs to go and learn coaching (at least this time he shdnt scan someone else's degree and print his name on it. let him EARN the bloody thing this time)

              a large majority of the team has been playing next to each other for more than 2 or even 3 years now. I think the first thing we shd rule out is "chemistry" or "not having enough time together".

              besides, that's how NATIONAL TEAM COACHES operate with all over the globe. they all have their players once in a while before games or tournaments. how come they seem to get it right and their teams display strategy and tactics (even if their players were in the midst of a civil war or an invasion by foreign armies), but ghotbi-guardiola isnt able?

              doesnt that tell us something? screw guardiola. this chap isnt even haji-mola!
              just a P.R. guy who knows how to sell himself and where to kiss arse to get his post/money


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              as for hajsafi and zareh (as left back) all i can say is :
              aan chiz ke ayan ast, che hajat be bayan ast

              dont listen to me. watch the games and tell me these are the right players employed in that post.
              you mean you havent seen their CONTINUOUS bad performances and turn-overs and failures in marking or tracking back and bad passes and .. etc???

              hajsafi is a great player with great potential. but when used properly where he can display his potential.
              back to my old analogy.
              a fork has its uses. so does a spoon. but when one tries to have his soup with a fork, you gotta call him an idiot.



              I also did go over why I think once someone uses a player in a post, somehow it becomes the right thing to do with some coaches.
              some coaches simply dont bother to question this and merely follow through!
              while some others pause and observe to see if this is justified or not.
              that's why the former group never earns my respect, but the latter does.


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              ali is right n saying this is the best we have available in iran.
              I agree (maybe with exception of one or two ... which is normal) .
              but the WAY WE USE what's available is also as important, if not more, to the whole process.
              again. we have great looking spoon and fork. fine. but if we use them wrongly, it's just as well be crappy, malformed spoons and forks!!

              a team that uses the wrong player in a post, is NOT a balanced team and gets hurt from there.

              a team that has no brain, will perform as if a body has no connection between its limbs and brain.

              a team that hasnt learned tactics or strategy (besides the lob and throw-ins) will come up short again and again. and its only bright spots are those LUCKY BREAKS it receives from the opponents (remember south korea game?)
              and we all know only a fool would rely on the fickle lady luck

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                #8
                I have a feeling that the saviors of this team melli will be Arash Afshin and Iman Mobali.

                By the way in the other friendlies today and yesterday, Iraq beat Saudi Arabia 1-0, and North Korea tied Kuwait 2-2.

                I don't think our group will be easy to get out of.

                Dr Doom I am a little superstitious I admit, but I have a hunch if you change your avatar, team melli will play much better!
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Paradigm View Post
                  I have a feeling that the saviors of this team melli will be Arash Afshin and Iman Mobali.

                  By the way in the other friendlies today and yesterday, Iraq beat Saudi Arabia 1-0, and North Korea tied Kuwait 2-2.

                  I don't think our group will be easy to get out of.

                  Dr Doom I am a little superstitious I admit, but I have a hunch if you change your avatar, team melli will play much better!
                  Afshin and Mirzapoor were only players not even tested vs Qatar's Army

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ali Chicago View Post
                    It isn't like HajSafi is my cousin, but I really don't think he deserves the shellacking that he gets. Doc destroyed Zare on PFDC and now he seemed he did the same with HajSafi. Not that Zare or Haj Safi are frigging amazing, but they are nowhere as bad as Doc makes them.
                    Haj Safi was selected by both Payroovani and Ghotbi and their coaching staff. If anyone on PFDC dares to say they know more than these two head coaches and their staff (Peeyooter, Bizhan Taheri, Hadi Tabatabai, Amir Hossien Payroovani, Ali Mansoorian, any many more scouts), well I call that person GUTSY!!?!.
                    I remind everybody these are preparation games, Ghotbi might be experimenting with different players in order to select his starting line.
                    Today Nekoo and Shojaie were really poor and Khalatbari had an off day (in part due to lack of support). I won't be as pessimistic as everyone else (at least not yet). I am not saying this team is amazing, this team based on the available talent is the best we have (one can always argue one or two players but this pretty much what we have).
                    Ali Jaan....
                    I did not say anything against Zare.....,but I still say haj safi stincks !
                    Being supportive of Team melli is one thing, fooling ourseleves is another !
                    If you wanted to know why those coaches ivited haj safi........I must say, it is a reverse dicrimination........
                    Only, because he is lft footed....and is compared, only with very few other left footed players.....and is not compared with All the players !!
                    Even, then, he ,in my opinion is not even good among left footed players...

                    His Possitives :

                    1-He is young.
                    2- He is left footed . ( less competition )
                    3- He can be reletively fast.
                    4-he plays for a top team in the league.


                    His negatives .

                    1- He has no competetive spirit.
                    2-He is short.
                    3- He knows nothing about defense,nor is he made for that position.
                    4-He does not learn.
                    5-He can easily be bullied.
                    6-He is too gentle.
                    7-He lacks total understanding of the game.
                    Last edited by zzgloo; 12-29-2010, 08:42 AM.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by zzgloo View Post
                      Ali Jaan....
                      I did not say anything against Zare.....,but I still say haj safi stincks !
                      Being supportive of Team melli is one thing, fooling ourseleves is another !
                      If you wanted to know why those coaches ivited haj safi........I must say, it is a reverse dicrimination........
                      Only, because he is lft footed....and is compared, only with very few other left footed players.....and is not compared with All the players !!
                      Even, then, he ,in my opinion is not even good among left footed players...

                      His Possitives :

                      1-He is young.
                      2- He is left footed . ( less competition )
                      3- He can be reletively fast.
                      4-he plays for a top team in the league.


                      His negatives .

                      1- He has no competetive spirit.
                      2-He is short.
                      3- He knows nothing about defense,nor is he made for that position.
                      4-He does not learn.
                      5-He can easily be bullied.
                      6-He is too gentle.
                      7-He lacks total understanding of the game.

                      thank you. this pretty much covers my views of the young haj-safi too.
                      not that he is a bad player, but he is a bad pick for the left defense. zz-gloo is also correct in pointing to his lack of competitive spirit or complacency as it seems he feels he is guaranteed of his pick no matter how good or bad he plays. this is the worst thing that can happen to any player


                      btw iran's B team played qatar's army team and won by 7-0
                      scorers: ansarifar - 3 , mobali - 2 , gholami and rezaei each one goal
                      and mirzapour and afshin are the only 2 players who didnt get a single minute of play time.
                      sadly, I think afshin's youth is the only factor qotbi has against him

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                        #12
                        Arash Afshin will most likely play against Angola. Trust me, Ghotbi knows the value of this player as a key striker and will not drop him.
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                          #13
                          My 2 cents:

                          Defence – Our defensive line is a real deficit!

                          I am a big advocate of teams with strong defence and strongly believe that in tournaments like Asian Cup the teams with better and more organized defense will have better chances to prevail than others. But that is my opinion. As for TM, I think our defesive line is way too slow, lacks the required skills, physique, formation and more importantly the confidence that is expected of a good team. The problem is more acute on the left and right and I am sure other teams have already taken a good note of this weakness. The two players (Hajsafi and Heidari) who usually play in the left and right positions are not real defenders and perhaps are more suited for midfield duties. They tend to move forward often and this creates a big gap behind the defending lines. We see them in constant struggle to run back and catch up with their defensive duties. The other issue with these two defenders moving up too much is that our midfield gets more crowded than what it is already. Six players in the middle is creating an anarchy! Nobody knows who to pass the ball to. They often occupy each others zone and you see two players running to each other or dribbling toward each other.
                          Our two middle defenders (aghili and Hussaini) have problems of their own. They have no real playmaking ability. None of them can play as a libero! No confidence in moving with the ball. They are often flat footed, meaning that they are incapable of quick starts. They sometime pass the ball from left to right and right to left with no purpose. When they are pressured, they get nervous and just kick the ball high. Zir e toupi!! Persian style!

                          Midfield – What we thought is going to be our strongest point is turning to be a disappointment!

                          I blame the coach for making our midfield ineffective. This is one area that we thought we are strong and have some good players, but it is starting to look like a total anarchy! Too many players, too many conflicting styles, no plan, very slow on transitions, lack of playmaking and not knowing when to participate in defensive duties versus offensive ones. Neko hasn’t really shown the role he used to play before and/or may it is his combination with the other midfielders that is just not producing what we should see. This should be a real concern for Ghotbi!

                          Forwards – I need not to say much!

                          Just a disaster that a country like Iran with an organized professional league (to the outside world at least) is not capable of producing a single quality striker for over a decade now! This alone should sum up the state of football in our country! Frankly I am tired of seeing different players everyday and not even one capable of performing to the expectation. I know it is also the team and whole formation that offers no real plan for how to score goals but let's face it, it is really a mumbo jumbo upfront! Do we not have a tall, strong striker in Iran. Bunch of bacheh jighil ...
                          If you see someone scores it would be because the ball accidentally landed in front of his foot! As I said before, a team that does not know how to score is not going to win!!

                          Goalkeeping – The only positive sign on the field

                          Thank God we have a goalkeeper who is beyond good. But if you rely on your keeper as your only source of good play, then God bless the team!


                          Sorry folks, I wish I had more positive things to say … but for those of you who still believe in magic, everything is possible!!

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                            #14
                            I don't think there is reason to over-analyze. The performance wasn't good but it's not like this was the mother of all games and nothing worked. I think the results this year were good, apart from the Kuwait game, but that can happen. Losing to Brazil is no big deal and drawing Qatar in Doha is no catastrophe.

                            I barely could draw any new conclusions from this game, we already know our strengths and weakpoints.

                            Fact is we could need a morale boosting win against Angola and then we shouldn't go into the games against Iraq and DPR thinking we need to win this games on all costs, as both teams are very strong when given space to counter. We must be patient and rely on beating UAE, then we will either draw twice, or win at least one of the first two games.

                            Then we will need a bit of luck against Korea or Australia to go to semis, which we probably won't have. But if we have that, we might go all the way.

                            The game against Qatar was more a test for the more defensive 4-3-3 we will use against Iraq and DPR and normally wouldn't be suitable for Qatar, against whom we would play the more offensive 4-2-3-1, replacing one CM by another offensive player. Other than the game in Seoul, this was really a test and not a game were the result mattered to Ghotbi imo.
                            Last edited by Martin-Reza; 12-29-2010, 02:11 PM.

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                              #15
                              Is there any footage at all from this 7-0 game today?

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