"Three Defensive mid-fielders" Formation was not Starnage and Stupid After All!!

[Martin-Reza]

Just for the record, as long as all 3 DMs were there, they kept a clean sheet against the world's strongest offense...

[Doctor DOOM]

Just for the record, as long as all 3 DMs were there, they kept a clean sheet against the world's strongest offense...

... true. that is beside failing to make any headway in terms of creating a semblance of an offensive move ( that is inspite of having players like dimaria, ronaldo, ... etc.)

if only they rewarded 3 points for "not conceding" instead of "scoring goals", the world would be honky dory

[Doctor DOOM]

I almost forgot as I wanted to add a few lines on barca's weaknesses contrasted with Real's strengths:

Just to clarify things about barca and especially Real, in comparison, barca has far more shortcomings and weaknesses than Real.

1- For starters, they are a very short team. therefore vulnerable in receiving set pieces and nearly useless in them up front.

2- They simply lack the direct approach and style of attack, therefore lack a dimension in their offense.
this is infuriating when they fall behind and you're forced to watch helplessly how they get blocked by a swarm of defenders as time ticks on!

3- Barca players hardly shoot from long range

4- Due to their low average height, they usually make no headway from corners and indirect free kicks

5- They don’t have superb free kick takers like Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, … who have a high degree of success in direct free kicks ( Alvez and messi hardly have the same accuracy and precision)

6- Their defensive line is slower than many teams and are susceptible to quick counters

7- The insane insistence on dribbling/short-passing penetration, makes their attacks more predictable and hence, makes it that much easier ( “less hard” lets say) to devise ways to block them or form resistance in front of your box from them ( in other words; park the bus in front of your goal)

8- They are hardly a physical (“tough & muscular”) team that would make the opponents think twice in their approach

9- Barca’s insistence on youth makes them mentally susceptible as they get near the 90th minutes and they lose shape/focus and usually concede due to inexperience. (have seen plenty of games they have either drawn or conceded late late goals due to loss of focus)

10- and they certainly dont have the same depth in the bench as Real, in terms of star power and impact.
Real can field their second 11 and still have a very powerful, mature and experienced team. Barca's second 11 is inexperienced and nowhere near the star power of Real's.


In contrast , seeing Real’s players, you’d have to admit they have far far less weaknesses and shortcomings to deal with. Especially in departments enumerated above. In the perfect world you shd see Real overpower (literally) barca in most occasions.
And yet …..
Why?
Becoz Moan-rinho simply isn’t able to make optimal use of what’s available to him.

and his stupidity is underlined even more when we see barca, at the moment is highly injury ridden with more than a handful of players injured (abidal, maxwel, iniesta, ... ) or just recovering from recent injury (puyol, ...)




edit:
makes you appreciate Barca even more when you see the sheer amount of weaknesses and negatives and wonder how they overcome all this and go on to b!tch slap teams like Real like the silly (expensive) whores they are.
and that's what makes barca a great team.

[Hajagha]

Quote of the week.

Jigar, you contradict yourself. Based on your statement above, you say "sit tight and go on counters, you most probably will have more chances late in the game against Barca."

Wasn't Real doing so? Well, some times works, some times doesn't.

On the side note, thanks god Mourinho didn't go to Iran.

Cheers,

[Babak agha]

Another football show tonight, this time with Frank Koeman, Ronald de Boer and two other ex-internationals:

What they had to say is that it's unbelievable that Real plays with this formation, especially when you look at their bench.

All, like so many before them, agreed that you can't win a game playing with that formation (lucky wins not considered). The best thing you can do is to finish the game with 11 men. Which is more unlikely than scoring a goal, as more players could have received red cards.

[Doctor DOOM]

Quote of the week.
Jigar, you contradict yourself. Based on your statement above, you say "sit tight and go on counters, you most probably will have more chances late in the game against Barca."
Wasn't Real doing so? Well, some times works, some times doesn't.
On the side note, thanks god Mourinho didn't go to Iran.
Cheers,

reza jan, if you pick and choose what suits you from my posts, then be my guest and hack-n-slash and edit and omit at whim. but beside all this I have said a lot more on Real's strengths and the needless animal behavior and ... .
and more to the point, on the matter of the 3 D-M's I asked 4 questions in my 1st post that highlights my views on the DUBIOUS benefits of this.

[Doctor DOOM]

Thought I'd include this little bit of stats after the return leg:

1- possesion:
Barcelona's - 64%
madrid - 36%

2- Passes completed :
barcelona - 631 .... Xavi (the God) - 126 passes (half of the whole madrid team)
madrid - 261

3- shots on target:
barcelona - 11
madrid - 1 (goal) .... hehehe ... let me repeat this once more : shots on target - ONE


madrid got into the game and finally managed to equalize only after bringing in Ozil, which galvanized madrid's midfield and managed a couple of attacking moves. and got the goal only becoz barca's make-shift defenders became so bloody c0cky to pass around the ball inside their box while madrid had 3-4 players in the vicinity.
something that no sane defender would or shd do.

and madrid shd be thankful to god that the ref (influenced by that moaning b!tch, moan-rinho's words) didnt send off those dogs carvalho, diarrhea (diara) & adebayor with straight reds


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[Babak agha]

^ I know you are a Barca fan, But just as I say it to the other guys here, I've to tell you to be more objective too :P

Real had 2 shots on target! one of Di Maria hitting the woodwork (I know woodwork doesn't count, but still) and Marcelo's rebound.

And the ref: he definitely did favor Barca sometimes!! Higuin's goal was wrongfully denide (it was either a goal or a freekick for Real), which helped Barca alot.

And the whining cry-babies Busquet, Pedro, Alves and Masquerano could also be sent off because of their repeated schwalbes

[Hajagha]

Thought I'd include this little bit of stats after the return leg:

1- possesion:
Barcelona's - 64%
madrid - 36%

2- Passes completed :
barcelona - 631 .... Xavi (the God) - 126 passes (half of the whole madrid team)
madrid - 261

3- shots on target:
barcelona - 11
madrid - 1 (goal) .... hehehe ... let me repeat this once more : shots on target - ONE


madrid got into the game and finally managed to equalize only after bringing in Ozil, which galvanized madrid's midfield and managed a couple of attacking moves. and got the goal only becoz barca's make-shift defenders became so bloody c0cky to pass around the ball inside their box while madrid had 3-4 players in the vicinity.
something that no sane defender would or shd do.

and madrid shd be thankful to god that the ref (influenced by that moaning b!tch, moan-rinho's words) didnt send off those dogs carvalho, diarrhea (diara) & adebayor with straight reds


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So, what is your conclusion on this post?

Barca is the stronger team?

2 DM or 3 DM have no difference when you play against stronger team, you are doomed anyway, specially the opponent has a player called Messi?

Ozil is better than Kaka?

Xavi should be bought by Madrid?

Mourinho is overpaid and you can't spell his name?

Madrid doesn't know your contact information?


Cheers,

[Babak agha]

Well I think we could agree that 2 DM worked better than 3 DM. There was no doubt that Barcelona is the better team though, however this time Real actually had a chance to win the game (disallowed goal).. If they had managed to keep the ball for a longer time and not loose it after every 3 passes, they would have had a really good chance.

Diarra also showed that Pepe never should start in his position, he did great.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ one of the headlines I came across after the return leg is: "Real played football in absence of moan-rinho"

that says a lot

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^^
yes, yes, and more yes
but "2 DM or 3 DM" or "how tough or how rough" are the side issues. the main issue is that Real certainly has a squad (a very large one at that) jam-packed with stars and decisive game changers and brilliant, skillful players. and as I said earlier, when you try to make them play like a bunch of dumb laborers ( the "precision gun used as a blunt hammer" example), then you shdnt expect much success against teams with intelligence and skills.
mark my words; Man-Ure, despite having inferior players compared to Real, will do far better against barca ..... even if they eventually lose

perhaps a better coach like wenger at Real's helm would make use of all their attributes and skills and make them actually PLAY FOOTBALL. and I'm sure they'll have far more success than under moan-rinho (who's, funnily, still moaning about his losses. tha sad, pathetic loser he is).


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barca gets the better of this team (that has far less weaknesses than barca) becoz they use their intelligence ( and speed in constantly moving around the pitch). these two factors, imo, is the key to barca's success.

[Hajagha]

^I guess you missed the point of this thread.

We are not judging the Real formation, we are learning it.

Cheers,

[Doctor DOOM]

learning? learning from .... ?

بیمار خاص

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The Guardian:

Luckily, Mourinho's destructive tactics, aimed solely at provoking and destroying the opposition's gameplan, did not work."


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Former Chelsea manager Guus Hiddink: Real Madrid’s Jose Mourinho should apologise to Barcelona

Turkey coach Guus Hiddink has criticised Real Madrid boss Jose Mourinho for dragging him into his recent war of words with Barcelona.

Dutchman is not impressed with the Portuguese’s rant against Pep Guardiola’s sideafter last week’s Clasico loss and insists he is diverting attention away from his team’s display

“Mourinho has gone too far,” the current Turkey coach told The Daily Mirror. “With all his critical remarks he wants to divert the attention from the way he made his team play."

Much of Mourinho’s complaints last week stemmed from the sending off of Pepe in the second-half. The Portugal international’s challenge on Barcelona right-back Dani Alves earned him an early shower, and Hiddink believes the referee was right to show him the exit.

“I have known Wolfgang Stark as a man with a very direct *approach, who was fully in his rights to send Pepe off,” he explained. “If Dani Alves had had his leg on the grass, that leg would now have been *broken.”

The 64-year-old former Valencia and Real Betis coach, who managed Madrid in 1998-99, further criticised Mourinho’s defensive approach at the Bernabeu last week.

“In the first-half of the semi-final it was clear that Barcelona was the Spanish bull fighter who was holding up the red cape in front of Real Madrid,” stated Hiddink. “The only problem was that the bull did not want to play and remained really *passive.

“In Spain that is a reason for the crowd at the Plaza de Toros to wave their white hankies. To me it was amazing that the Madrid crowd actually accepted the passive style of their team!

“That proved that for the clash between Madrid and Catalonia there are now different rules. It was fantastic how Barcelona *handled the situation. At one point in the match the entire Barca team just stood still in their own half, because 11 Madrid players were just defending in their own half. They did not want to play football.

“It was obvious this was Mourinho’s choice to play the game like this. Tough. Barcelona did not fall for the trap.”

He added: “A couple of days earlier, Real Madrid proved that they can be so strong when they play good, attacking football.

“They blew Valencia away with 6-3 in a game with nine different players, a couple of days before the semi final! They changed their approach because they were told to by their coach.”


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[Babak agha]

^I guess you missed the point of this thread.

We are not judging the Real formation, we are learning it.

Cheers,

I'm guessing you meant learning FROM it as in the "adabo az ke amookhti? Az bi-adaban"?

Cause beside the fact that the formation and how they played was embarassing and critsised by anyone, the only game where they had a chance against Barca was the last game where they changed their formation.

Even in the game that they actually won, they didn't won the game due to tacticts and formation but due to individual action/class of 2 players (like how usuallay Iran used to win with karimi/kia/azizi etc.)

And as you could see in all of those games not only the viewers were pissed-off by the way that Real played, but also their own (attacking) players were pissed and embarassed, even during the game. How many times did we see Ronaldo run/rush/pressure with his arms in the air asking his team mates to move too? You don't even see that in amateur football these days. How many times did they show Ronaldo, Di Maria and Ozil being red/mad, shaking their head and ..........

It wasn't limitted to the pitch, Ronaldo even commented on how they played and the formation after the games. Which is not a good sign....


PS: Regarding the point of this thread:

Who am I to blame it on the formation and game strategy? Or, do we have some members who thinks he knows better than "special one"?

I guess the point was lost in the translation..........cause in the first pot you, yourself asked whether there are memebers who think that Mourinho and his strategy were wrong.

[Hajagha]

learning? learning from .... ?
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بیمار خاص

Well, As I mentioned in the initial post, I assumed when the highest paid coach in the world who is the most decorated coach in the world, does some thing, it's the point to consider and learn. Particularly, from a nation who is ranked currently 2nd or 3rd pot in ASIA.

I didn't know we got a fan of that nation who thinks he knows better. mmmm, maybe I knew, I didn't want to believe.

jigar, we just hired a coach who barely survived in that club. This coach happened the highest ranked coach ever stepped in Iran. At some point, you gotta put your gun down and start observing, maybe there is some body who knows better than you. No need to shoot any one.

You can write 100000 pages about Barca, but not every team can play like them. In order to play like that, you need players like Messi and Xavi, when you don't have such players, you need to adjust your tactic and strategy to increase your chance.

If you compare the first match and the second match, you will see Barca had more chances in the second match, they just simply missed them. He started a media fight against the ref's, it gave the fruit just a week later when they escaped minimum two red cards by putting the ref under huge pressure, it's called intelligence... mmmm, what's the point to talk about the matches and their tactics. In your view, the highest paid coach of the world is بیمار خاص


Cheers,