lil cliff and cliffhanger

[zzgloo]

The culprits and the order of blaim.
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1- islamic republic :
The whole country is run by people who have no qualification...and it is a same story every where..and football is no excception ......wrong people at the top, wrong decisions, wrong results.
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2-IFF.......Thier unqualified leadership, thier wrong selection of mansourian,and inability to manage and do the requirements and lack of understanding of the laws and polices.lack of accoutabilities.........for example, the guy responsible for sending the inellegible player to Iraq, will never be known,and will never be put aside.
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3- Mansourian.........TM is no place for the on the Job traning....the job was over masourian's head and abilities.

[Hajagha]

It's no secret that this IFF is not competent but come on, that's coaching team fault anyway you wanna put it. There is a reason they give you a sheet called "substitute control sheet" and the only person can sign, is the coach. Simple,you sign, you bear the responsibility.

You get a team and become a coach, you check every thing about your team. As simple as that. You can bring every excuses but it just shows your incompetency more. You did not know the team, you had no time to learn, then you don't accept the job or you keep a couple of previous people in your coaching team. it's called transition.

Well, he learned now.

Cheers,

[Hajagha]

In a bigger picture, when our girls team is losing 3-0 and our Olympic team gets the same result a week later. Some body should ask and some body should answer what's going on there. Who chose whom and why? But again we all know what's going on and this will not be the last time.

After all, our most decorated coach in IPL, forgot to send his team's sheet to AFC. Go and figure it out.

Cheers,

[yashar_fasihnia]

the problem in my eyes is a clear case of poor handing over from the previous management of the team to the current management.

there was loss of information in the middle. Previous group says they provided a complete file to the current management, current management says file was incomplete.

and other people surrounding didnt bother to say anything.

[St_Mark]

the problem in my eyes is a clear case of poor handing over from the previous management of the team to the current management.
there was loss of information in the middle. Previous group says they provided a complete file to the current management, current management says file was incomplete.
and other people surrounding didnt bother to say anything.

I agree with you about that aspect.
As you said:
Parhizgar was team manager but was fired after a good result against Kyrghizstan.
He submitted relevant document to IFF (himself veteran IFF employee of 16 years).
When Hajilu was appointed Nabi asked Moeini to schedule coordinated meeting between Hajilu and Parhizgar. Parhizgar did not show up. He said he was not informed.
Hajilu and Moeini did not follow up.
Hajilu did not do diligence.
All are guilty hence their big boss Kafashian for having weak organization without check and balance.
Beside these 3, there are others like Turabian… who share responsibilities.
That has to do with IFF while responsibilities of coach are a different subject albeit related.
In his latest twist. Mnsoourian now admit he heard about Mazdak Mirzaei’s comment of two cards. He then asked his Media officer and was told he is not aware and later on told him he was told nothing that can not be fixing by paying some penalties. (My wording).
If true. He should have asked Hajilu or Turabian or just someone above media officer (read translator).
I believe as I said it more than few times. He was preoccupied and his immaturity, lack of experience did not help at all. He was unable to handle crisis and his own actions demoralized players.
Here is situation room of Omid before the game.
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سرمربی جوان تیم در حالی که خبر را باور نمی کند در هتل محل اقامت تیم ملی، دستیارانش را قبل از صرف ناهار
دور هم جمع می کند تا آنها را از وقوع این فاجعه مطلع سازد. حاجیلو، مارکار آقاجانیان، منصور رشیدی به شدت ناراحت مي شوند اما چاره ای جز اعلام خبر به بازیکنان نیست،
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منصوریان که شاهد عصبانیت کی روش بود، برای رهایی از تبعات این حادثه کریم باقری را به هتل فرامی خواند. باقری هم به جمع کادر فنی تیم امید اضافه می شود. بازیکن سابق تیم ملی فوتبال وقتی ماجرا را از زبان منصوریان متوجه می شود برافروخته می شود و او هم انتقادهايی را به وضعیت فوتبال ایران و مدیریت فدراسیون فوتبال مطرح می کند تا تعداد منتقدان فدراسیون در هتل محل اقامت تیم ملی افزایش یابد.
زمان ناهار بازیکنان تیم امید فرا می رسد، منصوریان بازیکنان را در جریان این اتفاق قرار می دهد، هیچ یک از بازیکنان آرام و قرار ندارند، صدای گریه بازیکنان تیم امید، فضای رستوران هتل را تحت الشعاع قرار می دهد، کی روش هیچ حرفی نمی زند فقط هر چند لحظه یکبار سرش را به نشانه تاسف تکان می دهد، منصوریان با چشمانی سرخ بازیکنان را به آرامش دعوت می کند و از آنها می خواهد برای شکست تیم عراق و صعود تیم به مرحله بعد هم قسم شوند، بازیکنان تیم ملی که تا چند ساعت پیش سرشار از انگیزه بودند بدون این که ناهار خود را به طور کامل بخورند، راهی اتاق هایشان می شوند، کمال کامیابی نیا ناراحت ترین ملی پوش اردوی امید است، نگاه سنگین بازیکنان او را از پای درآورده، حاجیلو و رشیدی تلاش می کنند او را آرام کنند اما انگار نه انگار دلداری اش می دهند.
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[Doctor DOOM]

In a bigger picture, when our girls team is losing 3-0 and our Olympic team gets the same result a week later. Some body should ask and some bod.................

eh?

then, based on this:

It's no secret that this IFF is not competent but come on, that's coaching team fault anyway you wanna put it. There is a reason they give you a sheet called "substitute control sheet" and the only person can sign, is the coach. Simple,you sign, you bear the responsibility.

You get a team and become a coach, you check every thing about your team. As simple as that. You can bring every excuses but it just...............

then we have to blame the women's COACH who didnt do the job of the supervisor, coordinator and IFF liaison and IFF media officer and IFF olympic committee and ...


my friends, in these matters, each person has a role to play and certain duties to satisfy. the coach's duty does not include running notices and other paper work with IFF or olympic committee or ... .
then why the f*ck do we have "sar parast" and manager and coordinator and .... ?

the coach's responsibility is very different from all this

[Hajagha]

^ Of course Woman's coach was at fault too. She had to know they won't let them play when she hit the locker room. What was all those bending and praying maskhareh bazi? Did you see what they said after? We put our hijab even if we get banned several times. If you wanna get banned, you don't need a team and a coach. Isn't it obvious?

IFF is at fault in a bigger picture by appointing them, but handling the team's matters are not IFF responsibilities. It will be laughable to ask IFF who got what in my team.

Tell you some thing: Canadian soccer Federation is exactly next door to Iranian Embassy in Ottawa. You know how big is the building? Barely 3 bed rooms house. I don't know how many works there though. All Iranians live in Canada know that. I don't see any one going in or out any time I was there. I don't see Canadian teams get banned left and right even they have a federation as big as "sorakh-moosh" which barely 3 people work there.

Dadash-e man, Team Omid is a team, coach and team manager should take care of the team matters. If you can't, it means you don't know your responsibilities.

The disaster was sitting there to hit. Remember missing the friendly game due to exit permission for some players?

Bigger picture >>> Who put these guys at work?

You wanna get bigger? >>> who got those appointing a-holes at work? Get bigger? ...

Still, missing yellow cards and playing ineligible player? yagh-e morabi-o bechasb bego onja che ghalati mikardi?

Cheers,

[Doctor DOOM]

coach's job/duty is limited to technical and tactical matters, training and roster selection and ... .

nothing to do with the paperwork or notices or coordination with federation, continental confederation, travel, travel arrangements, accommodations, passport and visa matters, sponsorship, media relations, ... etc these other duties are the responsibility of the team manager, federation liaison and others appointed by the federation specifically for taking care of these tasks.

ever heard coaches saying "I need proper atmosphere to work in"? that atmosphere is exactly such peripheral matters that ought to be taken care of by OTHERS

[maij]

Abroo rizi

[Hajagha]

coach's job/duty is limited to technical and tactical matters, training and roster selection and ... .

nothing to do with the paperwork or notices or coordination with federation, continental confederation, travel, travel arrangements, accommodations, passport and visa matters, sponsorship, media relations, ... etc these other duties are the responsibility of the team manager, federation liaison and others appointed by the federation specifically for taking care of these tasks.

ever heard coaches saying "I need proper atmosphere to work in"? that atmosphere is exactly such peripheral matters that ought to be taken care of by OTHERS

and reporter's job is keeping the yellow cards stat...

jigar, go to a random football forum from any nation, say "a team lost 3-0 because of illegal player", they say "fire the coach". Now, you wanna play "bedeh-beston", roll it.

I am thinking if we really had a decent football with active women side in every level, decent youth, teens, under 13, subdivision leagues like Brazil, beach, futsal,... we needed an IFF ten times bigger than interior ministry. mmm maybe bigger.

Don't be bias.

Cheers,

[Doctor DOOM]

^ yes ... fans who had absolutely no clue what had transpired prior to the game except the "use of an illegal player", WOULD say "fire the coach". very true

and how on earth am I "biased" anyway?
I get criticized for coming down hard on coaches. now, when I say the coach has far less responsibility for the loss than other factors, I'm called "biased"?? lol
wha .... how? hehe ...

[St_Mark]

It's no secret that this IFF is not competent but come on, that's coaching team fault anyway you wanna put it. There is a reason they give you a sheet called "substitute control sheet" and the only person can sign, is the coach. Simple,you sign, you bear the responsibility.
You get a team and become a coach, you check every thing about your team. As simple as that. You can bring every excuses but it just shows your incompetency more. You did not know the team, you had no time to learn, then you don't accept the job or you keep a couple of previous people in your coaching team. it's called transition.
Well, he learned now.
Cheers,

One of tragedy of Iranian football is They appoint mostly least experienced coaches for youth program, Perhaps they assume young coach can work better with young players.
Another oddity about Omid team is that their coach can decide who will be their team manager. Peyrovani made a condition to his appointment to have Fanaei as Manager. In case of Afazeli, it was IFF who appointed Parhizgar and that was because they regarded Afazeli “team Jam kon" at first.
When Mansourian was appointed as head coach, he did not want Parhizgar
And preferred Hajilu (or Amu Asghar as he calls him).
Even when Hajilu was busy with Hejazi memorial and for a while did not show up and finally resigned, it was Mansourian who contacted Kafashian to insist return of Hajilu.
Parhizgar expected reward for advancing to next round but forced to resign and being replaced by Hajilu created hostile relationship between them.
They all had schedule meeting but Parhizgar did not show up. Nabi, Moeini, Kharati, Hajilu, Mansourian were present there but not Parhizgar (as you see Coach participate in admin meeting sometimes).
There were never took placed a meeting between Hajilu and Parhizgar.
Parhizgar submitted all document to TM committee and Hajilu never got that information from TM Committee.
Here is Parhizgar interview few month ago in Feb in which clearly indicated he gave all document to IFF. I take it Hajilu or Mansourian did not see that.
You can also read recent Mansourian interview, It tell how he did not want Parhizgar and that is a lot more authority than just Selection of players, training and tactical issue.
Beside fatal fault of IFF official I suspect individual animosities, jealousy.... attributed to this tragedy.
Even if everyone involve did wrong, If only Mansourian who has never been Omid coach had watched last two Omid games there would be no such tragedy.
Omid last game with Afazeli and Parhizgar was very controversial and made big news because entire coaches and Manager were red carded and few players were given cards (we reported in PFDC too). You would think he would have asked anyone what happened or asked players about it .He would have known about one car at least.
Game before was in Tehran and Video and report was available independent from IFF.
He did not do his basic homework.



Parhizgar Feb Interview.

داود پرهيزگار در گفت و گو با خبرنگار ورزشي خبرگزاري فارس در مورد استعفا از سرپرستي تيم اميد عنوان كرد: استعفايم را شنبه آماده كرده بودم و روز چهارشنبه آن را تحويل فريدون معيني سرپرست كميته تيم هاي ملي دادم. در همان روز هم اصغر حاجيلو به عنوان سرپرست تيم اميد معرفي شد. تمام مدارك بازيكنان را تحويل كميته تيم هاي ملي دادم و اميدوارم كه تيم اميد نتيجه بگيرد.
پرهيزگار در پاسخ به اين سوال كه گفته مي شود قرار است سرپرستي تيم جوانان را به او پيشنهاد دهند، گفت: فعلا چيزي به من اعلام نشده است. به هر حال من كارمند فدراسيون فوتبال هستم و همزمان با مسئوليتم در تيم اميد كارهاي خود...
وي در پاسخ به اين سوال كه تكليف رضا كلانتري سرپرست پيشين اين تيم چه مي شود، گفت: ظاهرا فدراسيون احساس كرده كلانتري نتوانسته نيازها را برطرف كند. اكنون همراه تيم در گچساران هستم و شنبه به تهران باز مي گرديم و يكشنبه در مورد اينكه با تيم نوجوانان همكاري كنم يا نه با كفاشيان جلسه دارم.
1390/ 2/ 27 : در تاريخ خبرگزاری فوتبال

[Hajagha]

^
It's hard to call what experience is when we see Guardiola and Klinsmann on the top of the world football. I don't know If you wanna call it professionalism.

There is some thing definitely different between our young coaches and theirs.
it seems they are more into lobbying for the job than the job itself.

Have you seen some of those phone interviews with those popular figures about an important game, and they say "I didn't watch the game." ???

Cheers,

[BacheLot]

totally agree with everything that DD says in this thread, especially his first post below..!

as much as I believe mansourian was a bit inexperienced and young to get a national team duty, I still maintain the biggest reason for our elimination was IFF and not what transpired on the pitch this thursday.

and I think it is rather unfair to pick on mansourian who is responsible in a very minute way (I'd say around 10-15% at fault) while leaving out the biggest culprit in this clusterfu*k : IFF and IFF's bosses in IR.

such articles, I believe, are in service of those guilty parties in IR and IFF who want to divert the attention from themselves and shift the blame to others. we know the gov't has plenty of media and journalists at their service and command to do their bidding. this (shameless) article is one of them.

although mansorian was at fault for 10-15% ... but even then, I think we could have advanced had we gone into this game still 1-0 ahead. and I'd say mansourian was correct in believing in his team that they'd advance.

hindsight is a wonderful thing..!! putting ALL things in perspective in this situation, Mansurian's fault could not exceed any more than 10% of the whole screw up..!
No doubt that he wasnt qualified for the job and he may not be a world beater coach (yet..!) but his victory vs Russia and quality Iraq u23 Away clearly shows that he has a good potential to become a very decent iranian coach..!
In fact, since his personality doesnt seem like the sell out, overly asslicking the regime type, and his stock was and popularity was rising rather quickly with the fans, I have a suspicion that he was offered the sinking boat job in the first place ..! something that Human saw coming, hence refused to take the burden and passed it on to Mansurian..!!
there is no sense in bashing a promising young lad who stepped-in when No One else was willing to take the helm and made a valiant effort to rescue an already sinking ship and at the end being undone by what i would consider a pure act of sabotage..!!

[Ali Chicago]

Welcome BacheLot khan to F+. Great Addition to F+, Well deserved and IMO late to have you in F+. Looking forward to see more of you.