Iran - Maldives

[maij]

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Agha Joon , you are missing the point.

It is not about Khalatbary or Karimi , it is about points of views and the definite possibility that you are NOT right and others have different opinions , hence there is no requirement to spread your wrath on those who are more experienced than you and possible , more accurate and informative.

I have followed Team Melli since early seventies and watched the first game in Azadi in 1974 and wouldn't dare to claim my expertise like some do in this website. If you followed Iran's Team Melli since 1998 , then you are already admitting to your shortfall and hence you are in no position to be the expert in Iran's football heritage. Team Melli did not start playing in 1998 , you have a hell of a lot of years missing , my dear friend.

Anyway , in simple terms. Post your opinion , but please let us not embark on this "I don't like you becuse you don't agree with me " mentality!

[Doctor DOOM]

wait ... what?
I'm the chairman of what?

but seriously, we're all human beings and human beings are NOTORIOUS in proving they can be wrong on occasions ... even the best of them.

so unless we get some martian or an alien from andromeda galaxy come to coach, you can be sure it leaves the door open for debate on a coach's decisions



now, to karimi fans.
I know you like him. and I know he has great talent.
but unfortunately, in sports (unless you're talking about crappy ones like cricket, baseball, ... ) aside from talent, you need something even more important; fitness.
you can have all the talent in the world. if you cant get past your marker time and time again, then you get relegated to bench. if you cant maintain a certain work rate during the match, none of that bus-load of talent will come save you.

I was asking for his inclusion when daei was in charge. why? becoz at the time, he was 2 years younger and more importantly, we were in the midst of final stage of WCQ's against asian heavy weights. so I believed he could help the team. alas ....


but now, we are not playing any heavy weights until the final stages of WCQ's which to my estimate would be more than a year or year & half (2013, to be precise) from now. that makes him 35-36. now, I really want to know if ANY of his fans actually believe he can help the team in any meaningful manner in 2013 games.
ANY one?
hell, personally, I doubt he could be a useful bench player in that time. even if he's used for 10-15 minutes.

having said that, I want you all to remember what branko did to our strikers by insisting on daei in every bloody game, friendly or test or official or ... . and notice what impact that had on the next generation of strikers once daei retired. remember the goal drought? it's taken 4-5 years for us to slowly recuperate from that and find goalscoring players or see goals scored. we arent there yet, but it's better than the first 1-2 years after branko. (remember how foreigners claiming the league's top scorer or be among the top 3? olerum, arfi, torre, ridha, ...? only this year we have an iranian at the top without sharing the spotlight with anyone else)

I'm sure none of you want such a thing for karimi's replacements. so it is high time we gave the younger generation a chance to fit into the squad. what's wrong if jamshidian or jabbari or hadadifar or .... get a regular place in TM and be groomed for the 2014 WC?

[Hajagha]

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Majid jan, Do you remember post 78 team when Fariba was in it? That team was the best team I have ever seen in TM. Too bad it went to ash of revolution.

The whole hype of post revolution soccer fever was the rise of Daei-Azizi-Bagheri in 1996 that they made some recognition for the team, otherwise, Iranian football in in a deep fall since 1980 (with the exception of 1996-1999). Karimi had the potential to do some thing too, but he had was alone in his shine (2004).

That's it that's all. Wow that was short.

Cheers,

[Hajagha]

^^^^^

Agha Joon , you are missing the point.

It is not about Khalatbary or Karimi , it is about points of views and the definite possibility that you are NOT right and others have different opinions , hence there is no requirement to spread your wrath on those who are more experienced than you and possible , more accurate and informative.

I have followed Team Melli since early seventies and watched the first game in Azadi in 1974 and wouldn't dare to claim my expertise like some do in this website. If you followed Iran's Team Melli since 1998 , then you are already admitting to your shortfall and hence you are in no position to be the expert in Iran's football heritage. Team Melli did not start playing in 1998 , you have a hell of a lot of years missing , my dear friend.

Anyway , in simple terms. Post your opinion , but please let us not embark on this "I don't like you becuse you don't agree with me " mentality!

I meant this one, DD was too fast.

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Majid jan, Do you remember post 78 team when Fariba was in it? That team was the best team I have ever seen in TM. Too bad it went to ash of revolution.

The whole hype of post revolution soccer fever was the rise of Daei-Azizi-Bagheri in 1996 that they made some recognition for the team, otherwise, Iranian football in in a deep fall since 1980 (with the exception of 1996-1999). Karimi had the potential to do some thing too, but he had was alone in his shine (2004).

That's it that's all. Wow that was short.

Cheers,

[Babak agha]

Don't worry DD jan, it's a good club to be a part of. I for one think it's utter BS that we, as mere fans, can't doubt/question a coach's decision just because he's a "professional".

As I mentioned in my previous post, I agree with your points regarding Karimi. Our conclusions based on the same facts are however different!

While Daei was playing for TM in his off/old days there were more than a handful other promising young strikers around who didn't get an opportunity, as Daei played every game. Indeed Daei (partly) was responsible fir the lack of exposure/experience of these players and created the problem we're facing now.

But in case of Karimi: who should replace him? Although I'm a fan of him, I'm the last person to oppose replacing him with a new/young talent. We simply don't have midfielders now who could play there. The ones that we do have are either not young (25 is not young) or not good enough.

I don't say that Karimi is the best player in his position in the world, or even Asia perhaps, but he is the best in Iran right now. It's the fault of Iranian clubs and TM who don't introduce players before they are already 23-25.

And I like to see Karimi being replaced by a young prospect as soon as posible, even if it's a promising talent who still hasn't prooved anything and has a lot to learn. But unfortunately young promessimg (attacking) midfielders/play makers aren't exactly jumping around in Iran.

[maij]

I meant this one, DD was too fast.

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Majid jan, Do you remember post 78 team when Fariba was in it? That team was the best team I have ever seen in TM. Too bad it went to ash of revolution.

The whole hype of post revolution soccer fever was the rise of Daei-Azizi-Bagheri in 1996 that they made some recognition for the team, otherwise, Iranian football in in a deep fall since 1980 (with the exception of 1996-1999). Karimi had the potential to do some thing too, but he had was alone in his shine (2004).

That's it that's all. Wow that was short.

Cheers,

Do I remember those Golden days , Reza jan ,I certainly do ? Che begam.....It was like yesterday and I keep living that dream.

I petty the people who have missed the likes of Rowshan , Parvin , Adelkhani , Hejazi , Mazloomi oohhh and the list is long. These are the people who have achieved glory , brought us accolades , pride , joy , skills. Even defender like Nazari , Ashtiani , Halvaei , Kargarjam and Arab were such delight to watch.

If it comes to dribbling skills , I can name a dozen that where in the class of the good days Karimi and better. Remember young Hadi Naraghi ? He didn't even make it to Team Melli , yet he was a wizrd of dribbling. Nouri Khodayari would dribble anyone on a dime and juggle the ball like the Harlem globetrotters basketball team, he barely made the bench in TM. Adelkhani was a class of a unique kind. And what about Parvin, his vision , his passing his character on the field. And Hassan Rowshan ....aahh , a symphony in motion ,,,they were all great dribblers.


Unfortunately we tend to brag about what we see last and forget the proper heroes. We live in hope to see that generation is re-born and real achievements are repeated.

As for Ali Karimi , I always brag about the fact that when I saw him first in his debut against Kuwait , I predicted great times for the lad. I have witnesses to that , in fact I called my brother that day , who is a Fanatic TM supporter like yours truly , and urged him to watch that match and witness a star in the making.

The rest is history.