How to Tell the Boss He is Wrong

[Hajagha]

^ Well, the old story is:

You get a good coach, you can't keep him in the country. you get a crappy coach, your players don't respect him but he is always there.

same old circle.

What to do? mmmm, I don't know.

Cheers,

[Hadi]

its naive to think one individual can change anything, anywhere in Iran.

the system is so inefficient, so corrupt and so mismanaged, that it is not possible to expect much from an individual, or blame a single individual for any/all shortcomings.

[maij]

^ Well, the old story is:

You get a good coach, you can't keep him in the country. you get a crappy coach, your players don't respect him but he is always there.

same old circle.

What to do? mmmm, I don't know.

Cheers,

Yeah......it sounds like it.

Perhaps , we have to live with it.

[maij]

its naive to think one individual can change anything, anywhere in Iran.

the system is so inefficient, so corrupt and so mismanaged, that it is not possible to expect much from an individual, or blame a single individual for any/all shortcomings.

I can only speak for myself , of course , but one person or a group of person , normally can not change a system or a culture. However , since you mentioned Iran, I wonder how this revolution started in Iran ? Surely , one or two people planted the seeds and the rest is , as we say , is history.

Ideally football and other sports thrives in places with organization and effective management and resources, but it has been proven time and again that this is not a hard and fast rule. I always look at Africa and wonder how this poor continent feeds the world with talented individuals and their teams , perhaps not on par with the Europeans, are always challenging at least and at all ages levels.


Although I believe in its existence, I don't buy much into this corrupt or mismanaged system being the biggest hurdle in football or sport in general.

A few days ago , I watched Paykan win its 6th consecutive Asian Club championship ( 8 overall) with a performance which was truly an arm and a leg above the competition. A week ago , Iran's youth handball team managed to over-leap many established countries o finish 7th in the world. The Basketball team has won Asian Titles twice. These are sports that did not even have proper league structure a few years back, but look at them now.

Football is not rocket science requiring sophisticated formula to progress and take shape , it does not need highly qualified scientists , it does not require neculear heavy water plants with strict quality management and security measures. It is a simple game with simpler management requirement.

[Paradigm]

I am afraid that even if CQ manages to qualify Iran for Brazil 2014, the team would be playing another ineffective tournament and experience a first round exit. The chemistry and the energy flow is just not there, and the emphasis on younger players is nonexistent.

[Essi]

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Why cant we never ever be satisfied? Why do we always trying to find shortcomings in every single coach? I mean, I'm 100% sure that even if we would get Ferguson, Capello or whoever, people would still complain and think they know better?? .

indeed!

this reminds me of this Adesorian Thread not long ago:

http://www.persianfootball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93346

As we have an elite team with elite players, and dameshoonam garm for opening their mouths after defeats in Asian Cup, our elite team with highnesses deserves to have the best coach to make them World Champions.
so here lets look at our options
FABIO CAPPELLO:
too defensive minded. He screwed up with England. Our elite TM deserves better than this. TM az saresham ziadeh.
JOSE MURINHO:
He was a translator who became head-coach. Not an option for our boys. We need a MADAR ZAAD head-caoch and no ex-translators, ex assistant coaches, and god forbid software analyzers. TM deserves better than this.
FELIX MAGATH:
he is famous for tough physical training, which can cause injuries in our superstars, and they can get hurt. He is no TM material.
SIR ALEX FURGERSON:
he plays too english and that doesnt suit our superstars. Our boys deserve a coach who cares about their techniques. TM az sareh Sir Alex ham ziadeh.
CARLOS ALBERTO PAREIRA:
he has been too long time away from top teams in the world and honestly making Brazil world champion is not difficult. We deserve truly better than him.
MARIO ZAGALO:
too technical, less tactical. Our boys deserve a coach who understands tactics. No TM material.
GUUS HIDDINK:
too offensive minded. He will neglect our poor boys in the defence and our boys might get some goals scored against them . TM az sareh in agha ham ziadeh.
FRANZ BECKENBAUER:
he doesn't even have a coaching licence. Sorry TM deserves a real coach, and not someone who comes here to fool us for money. No no aghayeh Beckenbauer
MARCELLO LIPPI:
he has a habit benching superstars like Del Piero. We dont want him to play selfish and bench our elite players. He is no TM material.
OTTMAR HITZFELD:
too German, screwed up with Swiss national team. Aslan morabigari balaad nist. Clearly TM deserves better than him.
NASSER AL JOHAR: :
is used to getting sacked. has great respect for his players. He will listen to TM captain and players. Great candidate.

[Babak agha]

I can only speak for myself , of course , but one person or a group of person , normally can not change a system or a culture. However , since you mentioned Iran, I wonder how this revolution started in Iran ? Surely , one or two people planted the seeds and the rest is , as we say , is history.

Ideally football and other sports thrives in places with organization and effective management and resources, but it has been proven time and again that this is not a hard and fast rule. I always look at Africa and wonder how this poor continent feeds the world with talented individuals and their teams , perhaps not on par with the Europeans, are always challenging at least and at all ages levels.


Although I believe in its existence, I don't buy much into this corrupt or mismanaged system being the biggest hurdle in football or sport in general.

A few days ago , I watched Paykan win its 6th consecutive Asian Club championship ( 8 overall) with a performance which was truly an arm and a leg above the competition. A week ago , Iran's youth handball team managed to over-leap many established countries o finish 7th in the world. The Basketball team has won Asian Titles twice. These are sports that did not even have proper league structure a few years back, but look at them now.

Football is not rocket science requiring sophisticated formula to progress and take shape , it does not need highly qualified scientists , it does not require neculear heavy water plants with strict quality management and security measures. It is a simple game with simpler management requirement.

those sports you mentioned achieve success cause nobody "cares" about them. There are not hundreds of incompetent dalals, agents, managers, leaders, etc etc who play a role in those sports. The teams and its federation don't have much of status for people to try to be a part of ot by "party bazi" no matter what. They don't draw that much attention either, for the discipline committee, the papers and the members of majles to be up on their cases everyday.

As long as a person or a team is left alone in Iran they can achieve success, but as soon as they attract attention and everybody wants a piece of that attention the success won't be achieved.

[Hadi]

Queroz is more than what we deserve.

of course he is earning the big bucks, that's why he is coaching Iran.

but under the current system, i expected Mayeli Kohan to coach us.

[Hajagha]

indeed!
this reminds me of this Adesorian Thread not long ago:
http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...ad.php?t=93346

Hey, that was post of the year.

Some one publish this in front page.

CQ is the best indicator for us that coach is not our "weakest link" to improve. Let's take out from coach's a$$ and deep it in some where else please.

Cheers,

[Doctor DOOM]

I'd like to dispel this idea of "what can one person do" once and for all.

yes, one person cant change everything or correct all shortcomings. But let us not discount that there are matters and issues that the individual at the helm has the power to change and affect matters in a great degree.

more to the point, I doubt anyone is or has been asking coaches to correct the many deficiencies of our football. nobody. but there are certain factors that ARE in the hands of the coach that can play very big roles in the scheme of things, in games and in qualifications (whose success may even have some impact on the ills of our football)

in other words, the coach may not be able to correct IFF's incompetence, shortage of stadia, bad infrastructure .... but by God he can pick the right players and pick the right strategy for a given game, cant he?

that may not solve the fundamental problems of football. but that will drastically improve our chances of winning that game (which may become a catalyst in bigger & wider matters).

lets not discount the power of one.
ONE person can make or break a team, its fate and even the psyche of a nation.
here's an example:
we have a crucial game against saudi arabia and lets assume this is the make or break game of a WCQ
the ONE person chooses to go with a team slow and out of form players with little physical presence OR he may choose to go with a team with pace, energy, skills ... etc. basically the difference between winning and losing the game.

wouldnt you say the decisions of ONE person can make or break the result of a game, the fate of a qualification, which affects the next 2-3 years of that team's fate and its players (with regards to exposure, transfers, ...) and the psyche of a nation even?


lets put it this way: why do ppl pay so much money to ONE person, then?
isnt it for the specific decisions this SINGLE individual takes that can bring a team to "arsh or farsh"?
so lets stop saying "one person cannot do anything"

[Hajagha]

^

DD joon, you are right here. But, I think people talk about a sharp change. Otherwise, we all are individuals and hope to change our surroundings for better. The change can depends on our strength, position, location, time and luck.

At the end, we all hope CQ will leave some footprint in our football.

Cheers,

[maij]

I'd like to dispel this idea of "what can one person do" once and for all.

yes, one person cant change everything or correct all shortcomings. But let us not discount that there are matters and issues that the individual at the helm has the power to change and affect matters in a great degree.

more to the point, I doubt anyone is or has been asking coaches to correct the many deficiencies of our football. nobody. but there are certain factors that ARE in the hands of the coach that can play very big roles in the scheme of things, in games and in qualifications (whose success may even have some impact on the ills of our football)

in other words, the coach may not be able to correct IFF's incompetence, shortage of stadia, bad infrastructure .... but by God he can pick the right players and pick the right strategy for a given game, cant he?

that may not solve the fundamental problems of football. but that will drastically improve our chances of winning that game (which may become a catalyst in bigger & wider matters).

lets not discount the power of one.
ONE person can make or break a team, its fate and even the psyche of a nation.
here's an example:
we have a crucial game against saudi arabia and lets assume this is the make or break game of a WCQ
the ONE person chooses to go with a team slow and out of form players with little physical presence OR he may choose to go with a team with pace, energy, skills ... etc. basically the difference between winning and losing the game.

wouldnt you say the decisions of ONE person can make or break the result of a game, the fate of a qualification, which affects the next 2-3 years of that team's fate and its players (with regards to exposure, transfers, ...) and the psyche of a nation even?


lets put it this way: why do ppl pay so much money to ONE person, then?
isnt it for the specific decisions this SINGLE individual takes that can bring a team to "arsh or farsh"?
so lets stop saying "one person cannot do anything"

Symphony in motion...... truly outstanding post , Doc.

[maij]

Hey, that was post of the year.

Some one publish this in front page.

CQ is the best indicator for us that coach is not our "weakest link" to improve. Let's take out from coach's a$$ and deep it in some where else please.

Cheers,

Reza Jan , I have been saying , yelling , shouting this fact for ages , but some people are quite selective it seems when it comes to individual coaches.

Let us not ignore what the Doc said , because , there is quite a value in his statement. There is certain culpability and accountability that any coach must bear. Any profession in the line of duty HAS responsibilities regardless to the functioning or dysfunction of the organization. It is no good saying that the coach is blameless for a defeat or a bad performance as much as it is ridiculous to say that the loss or bad performance of Team Melli is due to the coach.

For me at least , the answer lies somewhere in the middle.

Ali Daei lost ONE official match in his 2 years tenure with Team Melli , and while the team was still in with a chance to make it , albeit a weak one , but still a chance nevertheless. He was made the scapegoat for other people's shortcomings, and perhaps some of his own.

We bring in Quieroz , the best that IFF money can buy and expect him to do 10 times better than Daei or Ghalenoei , but to me , with all the best intentions in the world , this is nothing but a bold attempt in a makeup similar to the situation of that ugly bride on her wedding night with lots of powder , cream and makeup to look good for the night.

Clearly , CQ is the highest ever profile coach that landed in Iran only equaled by the arrival of one Frank O'Farrell during the previous regime. That Irishman ex-Manchester United coach was in a much better situation though , because he worked in a much better organization and was a the last piece of jigsaw in the grand plan by Kambiz Atabai and the regime to take Iran to the World football Stage. And they did it and did it well.

This man is not so lucky and he has a much harder task, but in the midst of our own feverish anti-regime and anti-establishment feelings , let us not forget that the coach still has a responsibility and he has to deliver. What good is it sitting on his laurels claiming to be ex Real Madrid or Man Utd , if he cannot take us to the World Cup?

[Doctor DOOM]

thanks majid joon,
but here I m staring at my comp amazed.
that "poetry" was sung on many other occasions like in 95 .... in fact ESPECIALLY IN 95. but nobody agreed with me!