How to Tell the Boss He is Wrong

[Doctor DOOM]

^So ghotbi has been one of the best coaches in the world.......

lol good catch

[BacheLot]

past resume is fine...but acctual success and adaptation is what count the most.............
I do not believe, even Sir Feguson, would and could be as successful as " Luka " has been with Sepahan , and in IRAN in general.....
Most that counts, is not how much you know, or how much you have done in the past,although neccessary,.....it is all how much you adapt,and get result with all limitations........
All these forign coaches got thier resume on ideal situations......and such situation does not exist in third world countries ,and defenetly not in IRAN....
The best forign coaches whom had success in IRAN ;
1- Rykov.
2-Branko.
3-Luka.
Eastern Europeans,appear to have had a thicker skins..........and I hope, QC is an exception.

right..!
I agree with success in Iran as the best measuring device for rating the best that iran ever had @ helm..!
Some coaches become high profile & famous greatly by luck & being in the
right place @ the right time..!

^So ghotbi has been one of the best coaches in the world.......

did he really earned that high of a salary in Iran ..!??
Off course, the pay is relative to the pool of available options & the market rates @ the time of hirings & many other considerations..!

[Babak agha]

^ there was a list of how much coaches of teams that made it to the previous world cup were paid by those countries. And Ghotbi was paid more than most of those coaches on that list, by IFF.

Someone (I think Neda or K. Amir) had posted that list on the football forum, and if I'm not mistaking he made more than 2/3 of that list.

But all of this doesn't matter as the paycheck of a coach is the last thing that indicates the quality of a coach.

[Hajagha]

First, Nothing is definite.

Second, one time payment doesn't count much.

Third, who knows how much Qotbi has received actually as he had so many dealers to feed in between. We all know he never had the credit for such a high rank job.

Forth, his salary "statement" was too strange that received that many attention.

Fifth, Ahmadi-Nejad car was sold 1,000,000 dollars, later it was revealed that it was all fake. Same scenario for Qotbi?

Sixth, we talk about real people and real coaches. Not a fake coach no one knows how he got here and how got out.

Seventh, no one trying to catch any one else here. Otherwise, ...

Cheers,

[zzgloo]

Ghotbi ,still, a puzzle for many ........and he should n't be ,IMO.
The same IFF system that Hired Ghotbi, had been hiring coaches for many year.....and Ghotbi is defenetly not thier first or last mistake......nor was he the worst choice........nor had he had the worst results.......
The guy was smart.....built his resume......figured the system, out smarted the system........came conqured and left.....and got lot of money,...built additional resume for his future....and left !
If a guy is that smart.....he could n't have been so dumb on the field either.

[Keano]

Ghotbi ,still, a puzzle for many ........and he should n't be ,IMO.
The same IFF system that Hired Ghotbi, had been hiring coaches for many year.....and Ghotbi is defenetly not thier first or last mistake......nor was he the worst choice........nor had he had the worst results.......
The guy was smart.....built his resume......figured the system, out smarted the system........came conqured and left.....and got lot of money,...built additional resume for his future....and left !
If a guy is that smart.....he could n't have been so dumb on the field either.

Gold!

Bahram jaan, couldn't have said it better myself, very smart and brief analysis.

[St_Mark]

كي روش اضافه كرد: كساني كه بيرون از مجموعه هستند، بايد كمك كنند تا ما به جام جهاني راه يابيم. ما بايد با تيم هاي
بزرگ بازي كنيم و اردوهاي خوبي داشته باشيم. تيم هاي زير 19 سال، 16 سال و تيم اميد بايد شرايط خوبي داشته باشند و جا دارد از زحمات فدراسيون و تلاش هاي اين مجموعه قدرداني كنم. منظور من اين بود كه افراد خارج از فدراسيون نيز بايد به ما كمك كنند و تعامل بيشتري با ما داشته باشند.

CQ ( or his assistants)not even once attended U16 training and talk to Mehr Alidoosti.
CQ has not attended any U19 training sessions.
According to IFF they were waiting his decision to select U19 coach.
He recently said he does not have time beyond TM duties..
First he blamed IFF ( excluded Kafashian ) , then clarified and blamed others..
U19 Coach Mohammadi in the past said he was reporting to CQ and that was never denied.
IFF has failed U16 & U19.
They should forget CQ and hired a qualified and experienced Coach dedicated to youth programs . CQ has no time for this..

[Doctor DOOM]

in CQ's latest list we see some new names and some of the old inconsistencies and incredibly STUPID picks.

1- GOOD PICKS: Hamed Lak and Milad Fakhrodini are great additions.
So is Meydavoudi's addition.

2- RETARDED PICKS ( that reek of the biased IRANIAN color-oriented prejudices ): Gh rezaei, M zareh and Omranzadeh again we see useless retards from ss and pp given undue preferential treatment at TM whole more deserving players from smaller teams are ignored again!
Anyone still doubts there are IRANIAN hands behind such selections?

[BacheLot]

Well, with Neku & haddadifar out injured & still in recovery mode & P Nouri out in Arab league's obscurities, it's no surprise that he reinvites Zareh..! Afterall he has always preferred him to p Nouri in that position anyhow..!
I'm also dumbfounded as to why F. Talebi hasn't been given a trial by him yet..! No doubt we badly lack depths in CB position & there are hardly better alternatives ..!?(perhaps because of ZZ involvement in ACL..!?)

I dont know why R. Noruzi hasn't been reinvited since his drop from the Austria camp..! I haven't seen the kid enough in action to have a fair judgment on his quality & I'm not the type who values a player all too much based purely on his IPL stats..!
It is still disturbing the sheer number of invitees from the struggling PP..!? Perhaps that only shows CQ's faith in Estili's coaching abilities..!?(as haaj agha claimed..!) or like DD mentioned there sure seems to be an element of pleasing the fans of popular teams( I'm certain he took notice of 4+ Million SMS votes in irib's poll on a for most part retarded question..! That is freaking insane high number..!) & perhaps some good ol Irani gaavebandi, advice within IFF..!
I was also disappointed with Ghaami's absence in the list..!

[Doctor DOOM]

selection of 9 players from the 15th ranked team IN ANY LEAGUE OR COUNTRY in the world would raise serious eyebrows.
but even worse is to see some of these names are not even in the 15th ranked team's starting line up and are mere subs!!!
anyone wants to explain that?

Besides, I think it is easy to talk in hypotheticals or what "used to be". But unfortunately it is the PRESENT TIME that makes the player.
so why stop with rezaei? why not zeneiedpoor? he "used to be good" too at some time in the past.
what about khalili? he also "used to be a great player" at one time or another.
Roudbarian? he was TM's #1 at some period.
why not madanchi? he was a fixed player at TM. why not him and many MANY more like these? as long as we're living in the PAST and we base things on "WHO USED TO BE WHAT", we can add another 2 dozen names. why stop at rezaei and zareh who are VIVIDLY out of form?




another issue that underlines the belief that perhaps CQ is more bothered about gaining popularity and acceptance as well as retaining his job is how he accepted akbar mohamadi, a literal "nobody" in coaching (who as proof of his incompetence caused elimination of our U-16 team from world cup by series of extremely shameful and disgraceful results) as the coach to take our U-19 team!!!!!!

who in their right mind would accept this? especially when the chap's failure is so fresh in our minds. Who?

I'm afraid we are seeing new sides of CQ that was hidden from us in the flash of his "tenures in madrid and fergie's assistantship

[maij]

selection of 9 players from the 15th ranked team IN ANY LEAGUE OR COUNTRY in the world would raise serious eyebrows.
but even worse is to see some of these names are not even in the 15th ranked team's starting line up and are mere subs!!!
anyone wants to explain that?

Besides, I think it is easy to talk in hypotheticals or what "used to be". But unfortunately it is the PRESENT TIME that makes the player.
so why stop with rezaei? why not zeneiedpoor? he "used to be good" too at some time in the past.
what about khalili? he also "used to be a great player" at one time or another.
Roudbarian? he was TM's #1 at some period.
why not madanchi? he was a fixed player at TM. why not him and many MANY more like these? as long as we're living in the PAST and we base things on "WHO USED TO BE WHAT", we can add another 2 dozen names. why stop at rezaei and zareh who are VIVIDLY out of form?




another issue that underlines the belief that perhaps CQ is more bothered about gaining popularity and acceptance as well as retaining his job is how he accepted akbar mohamadi, a literal "nobody" in coaching (who as proof of his incompetence caused elimination of our U-16 team from world cup by series of extremely shameful and disgraceful results) as the coach to take our U-19 team!!!!!!

who in their right mind would accept this? especially when the chap's failure is so fresh in our minds. Who?

I'm afraid we are seeing new sides of CQ that was hidden from us in the flash of his "tenures in madrid and fergie's assistantship

All I can say about that, Doc , is that such act of selecting below par players , and even players who are on the substitutes bench of a team that is in the bottom of the league . is nothing but a despicable act of duplicity by the federation and Mr. Queiroz , who with all his credentials ( and we Persians get easily suckered and hypnotized by the white man in a suite escalating him to the status of savior) is a willing participant and an accessory to this farce of an act.

It does not matter if Queiroz takes us to the World Cup or Not , such insult to people’s feeling and mockery of the fans and players who are much more deserving , will not be easily forgotten. This is the dark side of football we are witnessing , and extremely unfair.

[Hajagha]

All I can say about that, Doc , is that such act of selecting below par players , and even players who are on the substitutes bench of a team that is in the bottom of the league . is nothing but a despicable act of duplicity by the federation and Mr. Queiroz , who with all his credentials ( and we Persians get easily suckered and hypnotized by the white man in a suite escalating him to the status of savior) is a willing participant and an accessory to this farce of an act.

It does not matter if Queiroz takes us to the World Cup or Not , such insult to people’s feeling and mockery of the fans and players who are much more deserving , will not be easily forgotten. This is the dark side of football we are witnessing , and extremely unfair.

Whatever it is, it's surely unclear and nontransparent. So, you may be completely right.

I go with speculations since I refuse to believe that it is an act of ignorance. One scenario can be building up a B team (or maybe a C team) and/or semi Omid team. Bringing them in a camp and checking them in close action. However, this should be seen in series of invitations that will be shown.

I still scratch my head.

Cheers,

[maij]

Whatever it is, it's surely unclear and nontransparent. So, you may be completely right.

I go with speculations since I refuse to believe that it is an act of ignorance. One scenario can be building up a B team (or maybe a C team) and/or semi Omid team. Bringing them in a camp and checking them in close action. However, this should be seen in series of invitations that will be shown.

I still scratch my head.

Cheers,

It is NOT and act of ignorance , Reza Jan , it is an act of betrayal.

I would be more than happy for CQ to build a B , C or a D team , but if he think there are 9 brilliant prospects in Perspolis , how many players should Esteghal , Tractor , Saba and the rest should have in this whatever alphabetical team ?

It is disturbing. It is one of those "Monhaser be fard" weird specialty of Iranian football.

Only a few days ago , an by pure chance I was switching TV channels when i stumbled upon Shabakeh 1 and there was a documentary called "Alef" about the corruption in Iran's football. I caught about half of that documentary . There was a lot of beeps to cover names of people but ironically one of the names that slipped out was a name of a famous coach. A close Iranian friend of mine in the coaching circle , has mentioned this football coach as a part of Iran football mafia ! This conversation of ours was least 5 years old.

Reza jan...do you remember telling how to deal with the heartache of Iranian football ??? Bi Khiyal...I will focus on Barca



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[Hajagha]

Reza jan...do you remember telling how to deal with the heartache of Iranian football ??? Bi Khiyal...I will focus on Barca

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two things:

If a high profile coach can be caught in this action, then there is no hope and this team should not be called Team Melli.

Second, Seeing Fabrigas in Barca is like heaven in power of 2. Now, I am ready to die. I have no wish and desire any more.

Cheers,

[maij]

two things:

If a high profile coach can be caught in this action, then there is no hope and this team should not be called Team Melli.

Second, Seeing Fabrigas in Barca is like heaven in power of 2. Now, I am ready to die. I have no wish and desire any more.

Cheers,