Japan - south korea friendly and how we dropped the ball

[Doctor DOOM]

watching this clip (especially the 3rd goal and how the japanese re-possessed the ball) only refreshes my disappointment on how undisciplined and tardy south korean defenders are and how we didnt have the guts to attack them or put them under any pressure to force such mistakes!

even the indians dared more and attacked their back 4 so much to force a mistake or two by them. why didnt we?
even in Seoul when ando (or pejman?) put pressure on their CD, he was forced to mis-pass where ando re-possessed the ball and passed .... (we know the rest).

the korean back four, when put under pressure have usually been susceptible and weak (their strength is when they're ATTACKING). shdnt ghotbi know this? why didnt we put them under pressure like every other team they meet?

worth bearing in mind IF we get grouped with them in the final stages of WCQ's

[Keano]

I agree with most of what you said, although it seemed as if S. Korea were missing some of their start players such as Cha-Du-Ri, Park etc. Nonetheless you gotta love Japan's one touch football and their fluid style of playing, some of those passes were world class, almost all 3 goals they scored, I tried to envision our players being in such positions, the only scenario popped in my head was our players flirting with the ball, taking their precious time in trying to dribble and showcasing some individual techniques and then finally blundering the golden opportunity by either giving the ball away and shooting it into the sky.

Japan's precision in executing the final touch/shot was just spectacular and amusing. They just play a class above and beyond Asian standards, no other Asian side, nor Australia can cope with their great spirits and fantastic football.

We're falling behind more even in Asia day by day, the gap between the inferior and superior teams is closing everyday. Our football is just stagnant making not much progress (I personally believe we have regressed over the past 10 years).

[Doctor DOOM]

speaking of ghotbi, I'm watching germany-brazil and am simply loving the way germany has transformed itself from the rigid, mechanical precision performances of the old to an exciting, skillful and silky total football.

and anyway, as I was watching the german youngster goetze score a magnificent goal (off an orgasmic through pass) the commentator said something that brought me back to this thread.

since menzes has taken over the brazilian team they have had great problems scoring goals and have been unable to get the ball across the goal line. apparently in the past 16 games, they have score a measly 12!
with 3 of them against iran.
so taking iran out, they've scored 9 goals in 15 games!
wow! what a crappy brazil team

anyway, I'm loving how the germans are tearing the brazillians into pieces with smooth, silky one touch passing. basically they have out-brazilled the brazillians

mind you, it is a very scary prospect when a team that's known for its hard work, never-say-die attitude, precision and discipline suddenly discovers the finer aspect of ball skills also. a very dangerous thing indeed.

[BacheLot]

good points made in the thread oppener doctor..! but i believe had we adopted a similar game plan against SK as we did vs UAE in AC11, we woulda been raped and punished badly early on..!! Gholabi certainly went overboard with his ultra defensive tactics though and pushed his luck for way too long, deep into the 2nd half and even the OT.....! He failed miserably to make proper adjustments in the 2nd half which is supposedly coach's half..!and his game management and substitutions were shitt...!!
it was actually quite incredible performance from our D line to hold SK scoreless for such a long time in face of constant pressure..!! i think SK spent about a 100 of the total 120 minutes in our half with far superior possession rate..!!?

PS

Notice how many brilliant passes, most under extreme defensive pressure are made by the japanies players leading up to all three goals in this game..!! and think when was the last time you saw TM pulling half as many passes together under such contentious situation..??
you gotta admit that even if we adopted a different, more offensive strategy the final result most probably still woulda been a defeat...!!

[zzgloo]

If Argentina scores 5 goals against Mexico......it does not mean we can beat Mexico ..........
We need to stop comparing ourselves with higher classes of football...and not kid ourseleves......
With the freefall our football is under.......we need to stick with Qatar and UAE....as Saudi's and the Bahrainis now, are teams to fear........and we should be happy teams like Indonesia exist for our egos.

[yashar_fasihnia]

while im in no way fan of ghotbi, we should also mention that the korean team of asian cup was stronger than this one unless the japanese made so much of a massive improvement in just 6 7 months

japan and korea met in the semis of the same tournament and japan only won on penalty kicks.

some of the korean stars like park and yung pyu retired after that, im assuming that an impact on their game as well, not to mention this was only a friendly so the exact fitness of the koreans is not known.

however, wat amazed me the most is that japan has 25 players playing in europe today including players in bayern, dortmund, inter and arsenal

our best player on the other hand is in a relegation fighthing osasuna

[Doctor DOOM]

Perhaps I didnt explain myself well when I wrote the post, as some of your posts are missing the point.
I'm talking about the korean back line when put under pressure, had/has the tendency to make a mistake or cave in.
and we didnt try to do this for large parts of the game becoz we had put up our arms in front of our faces and body and had crouched in a corner of the ring. when a boxer does that, it allows the opponent to come at him and rain punches on him even if the rival is not so much bigger or stronger. and eventually, some of those punches WILL get through your defense!

I'm not talking about how effective it was as a team or how powerful it was when attacking or ..., nor am I saying we shd have attacked like there's no tomorrow, and certainly dont know how argentina and mexico figure into this.

[zzgloo]

payman jaan.....did you see the video interveiw with khodadad azizi /?
the iranian football is on its freefall going down fast........and we have gotten behind korea japan is no longer a theory........it is a done deal.......
we should n't get excited and believe, we can put same type " pressure ", ( as you say ) on korea.......it is unrealistic....niether can we do to Mexico after they lose to Argentina......Korea nad japan , are as far away from us as Mexico and Argentina are !

[maij]

[Nokhodi]

I don't think the Korean and Japanese players are naturally better, but they are willing to take many more risks to improve themselves as players.
Look at Japan's squad. They have many young players playing in Europe, getting paid peanuts, but playing well enough that European scouts genuinely look at Japan now as a place to find great technical players at a low price.

I understand life in Iran is tough, and I would probably do the same as many of the players, but most Iranian players look at cash first. As a result they never improve and never take risks which may cost them that money.

Anyways, I went off tangent. Apologies.

[Hajagha]

Majid jan,

If you rank top 11 Iranian players at this moment, you will have 5 DMs and 2 keepers and none of them at international level. Tell me how you can play like Japan?

I am talking about "NOW", future may hold different story, however the forecast isn't that great.

Forget about DD who wants to fix every thing from TM coach bench. I don't know if he really thinks that we can play and score like what Japan did in this video or he simply pulls our legs and laugh at us?

Cheers,

[Nokhodi]

Also if we tried playing a 3-4-3 as Japan has been doing the following would happen.

1- Initially praise for a coach to have balls to try such an attacking formation
2- TM would lose the first 3 or 4 games under this formation.
3- Fans would call for the heads of the coach and players.
4- Just before the team could gel, head coach would be fired and we would have to hire a result oriented coach.
5- Fans would complain about defensive style of TM, thinking TM is made of 10 Cryuffs and 1 Lev Yashin.
6- Team will not be able to hit the glass ceiling so years will be wasted finding a Iranian head coach who will also be fired soon.
...

[Keano]

I have a Question,

Do any of Iranian club teams employ 3-4-3 formation on a regular basis?

[maij]

Majid jan,

If you rank top 11 Iranian players at this moment, you will have 5 DMs and 2 keepers and none of them at international level. Tell me how you can play like Japan?

I am talking about "NOW", future may hold different story, however the forecast isn't that great.

Forget about DD who wants to fix every thing from TM coach bench. I don't know if he really thinks that we can play and score like what Japan did in this video or he simply pulls our legs and laugh at us?

Cheers,

Except I am not talking about specific team or a period, I was referring to the general fabric of this nation.

Yes , you are right that currently we do not have a top class team and it is quite evident. But , will that remain for ever?

[maij]

I don't think the Korean and Japanese players are naturally better, but they are willing to take many more risks to improve themselves as players.
Look at Japan's squad. They have many young players playing in Europe, getting paid peanuts, but playing well enough that European scouts genuinely look at Japan now as a place to find great technical players at a low price.

I understand life in Iran is tough, and I would probably do the same as many of the players, but most Iranian players look at cash first. As a result they never improve and never take risks which may cost them that money.

Anyways, I went off tangent. Apologies.

You are quite right . You have identified one of the many problems , and hence a competent authority/organization/group needs to address it.

The Japanese football development started their long term plan in earnest about 3 decades back. They identified the problems, planned certain strategies , some worked some didn't , allocated the right resources and here they are..... Look at it a bit more deeply , it is back to the same old thing....Management.