On Perspolis, Daei, Estili, Kashani, Fans, etc.

[Mansoor]

Daei

- He should have stayed. If a coach is delivering championship and has shown signs of improvement toward the end, he should be given more time as stability plays major role in success of a club.

With addition of a target forward like Ansarifard and a few more players, keeping the main core of the squad, and climbing the "learning ladder", there was a great chance for Daei and Perspolis to move up and deliver better results next season.

- He should have not made big deal about possible "coaching changes" behind the scene while struggling, as the matter looked bad for him to be an "excuse" rather than conspiracy.

Obviously, when the team plays bad and is not getting results, the club would look for replacement and that is not a conspiracy. It was no secret that Kashani and Estili are close friends, and he would be his next candidate. The rest are afterfacts.

Estili

- What a mess he is in! No coach can deliver under such conditions:

His main players were either absent, injured, or recovering from injury during training and preparation period. That is at least 13 players from the squad!

Season started unusally (for IPL standard) with four-days-a-match schedule.

And then, the obvious drama that has gone to the stands with chants to embarrase him as his team struggles to form in such a short time.

- In reality, Estili has a good squad and has shown good signs, especially with the help from his German assistant.

No result yet as the team still in "preparation" mode. But must be given time as management chose the "change" against "stability" already.

This is the side effect of "change" for all those asking for it. Now, the counter is back to zero and will stay low for a while.

Estili has a long way to go but if he survives the storm, and with minor changes, his team has potentials to deliver.

Fans

- They have the right to be upset. They are protesting to changes and how it was done, not to who is better (Estili or Daei).

They have taken Daei's side simply because they realize champion coach should not be changed. The majority of them know Daei's shortcomings in coaching as they showed it last season.

But they also realize bad management that changed a coach while climbing the learning ladder and delivering "improved results". They know the team could have done better if "stability+improvement" was chosen against "drastic changes".

- They are taking Daei' side simply because they are disgusted with poor management decisions!

Kashani

His best decision? To resign at the end of last season.

- Kashani should not be blamed for seeking new coach while Daei was struggling. He was getting ready ahead of time as transfer season would start and end shortly.

But when Daei took the matter to media, and then delivered a championship, it was time for one or the other to leave. And with championship in Daei's pocket, and stability factor on his side, Kashani's role to remain was nothing but "nothing"!

Who is to blame?

Horrible decision by Saeedloo, if his, to ask Kashani to return.

He should have realized the effects of such decision would put the two in awkward position and one or the other had to go. Champion coach with space to improve (both within himself and within his squad) was not the one to go.

Ironically, Saeedloo did go as well afterward, but the one who should have been gone and made the right decision initially, remained, and the rest are history.

Drama, side issues, and yet again one more season could go to waste for red fans to pay the price for lack of stability ......

[yashar_fasihnia]

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mansoor khan, r u suggesting, if daei was the coach, ansarifard would have come to perspolis?

[Mansoor]

Mokhlesim. I have no doubt in my mind he would.

I tried to look at each case in the article objectively, not so much on daei only. But as for daei, he had better chance than estili this season due to stability, and lack of side issues, both outside and w/in players. Estili seems to be forming another problem w/in players as well.

I still think estili has a chance though .... We'll see ...

[Nokhodi]

Agreed Mansoor jan.
The manner in which all the summer wheeling and dealing took place completely shook up the club in a negative way.
Still, I think Estili needs a chance and should continue at least until the derby.

[St_Mark]

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Players bear large share of responsibilities. For the amount of money they receive they offer little. Miserable performance not worthily of any respect from the team that only few months ago 9 players were selected by CQ.
As it is Perspolis is un-coachable. Fans chants are not entirely sport related.

[zzgloo]

The Biggest advantage perspolise had , was its Fans......and when fans constantly critisize and do not want the coach, and expect losses.......then Perspolise will lose.

[Essi]

Welcome to Iran where every unexpected thing can happen. You never know whats next.
However, I agree that fans have all right to be upset and bear in mind that I'm a Hardcore Daei fan but the way these fans have chosen is totally wrong.They are leading perspolis to ditch. I mean, you simply cant start the chants after 40 minutes when the score is 0-0. Fans are there to support their team, regardless the results. Give the team and coaching staff enough time and I'm not talking about a whole season but at least 10 games. I'm willing to bet that as long as the fans are acting like they have done so far, the situation will just get worse.

Bottom line, Estili cant resign now which is a very predictable scenario but he should stay and try to get long with these reactions. If he cant manage it after week 10, he should leave. But one thing is for sure. Daei wont come back and the most given candidate to take over will be Haji Mayeli unfortunately. And btw, Kashani wont resign either.

[maij]

Welcome to Iran where every unexpected thing can happen. You never know whats next.
However, I agree that fans have all right to be upset and bear in mind that I'm a Hardcore Daei fan but the way these fans have chosen is totally wrong.They are leading perspolis to ditch. I mean, you simply cant start the chants after 40 minutes when the score is 0-0. Fans are there to support their team, regardless the results. Give the team and coaching staff enough time and I'm not talking about a whole season but at least 10 games. I'm willing to bet that as long as the fans are acting like they have done so far, the situation will just get worse.

Bottom line, Estili cant resign now which is a very predictable scenario but he should stay and try to get long with these reactions. If he cant manage it after week 10, he should leave. But one thing is for sure. Daei wont come back and the most given candidate to take over will be Haji Mayeli unfortunately. And btw, Kashani wont resign either.

When the clubs officially sanction and support these so called "leaders" , which means that much of what they say could be orchestrated , there is not much point of complaining about it.

It might be a shock to some people , but the fact is that much of what these "Leaders" chant ( I wouldn't dare to say all) is the byproduct of some one who finances them from within the club. As simple as that.

...And to cap it all , Kashani is NOT the absolute power in PP hierarchy , there is always someone else pulling the strings, someone who is surprisingly is like a phantom. The balance of power is shifting all the time , but I doubt that Kashani will do the honorable thing and hand his resignation ( Iran has not yet caught up with the culture of accountability vs. responsibility ) .

He will only resign (go) when the phantom decides he is a liability.

[Mansoor]

Merci Nokhodi aziz.

I also believe Estili should be given time. However, with current situation and the special circumstances surrounding the club, I don't know even till derby is long enough.

I would think half season, if Perspolis still is in relegation zone, otherwise end of season would be a fair time to "re-evaluate" and look for changes "again".

Hejaz jaan, that is a valid point and a broad discussion within itself that does not just cover Perspolis.

The root of such discussion remains within poor management in our football clubs that would lead to issues such as lack of professional contracts that would force players to play within their level of pay checks.

Agha Bahram, that is a fact. Side effect of having such a huge fan base is side issues that often surrounds red and blue clubs that comes back to hunt them.

Merci Ali Agha. I agree that fans' way of protesting is hurting the team. I guess the level of frustration has something to do with it where emotions overtake logical thinking and reactions.

I am sure as Agha Majid mentioned, there are cells within them that takes advantage of their emotions and furstrations at the right time and encourages them to chant as such.

It is also becoming a chicken and egg situtation! Team getting results may stop them and them stopping may help the team getting results.

Merci Agha Majid for your feedback. Interesting to read as always.

[Mansoor]

On Perspolis Players

Seems like Estili is here to stay for now. If so, he needs to make serious decisions about a few players, especially Nouri, Gh. Rezaei and Norouzi.

Nouri doesn't seem to be focused this season, and needs to be benched, even with Karimi injured.

He also needs to do the same with Gh. Rezaei. He is out of it. Him and Norouzi have been useless for most of this season. Only a few sparks here and there.

Instead, he needs to bring in players that have their hearts with the team. If no Karimi, he can move up Badamaki that is running his heart out during each and every match, and pair Aghazamani with Zareh in Def. Mid. Oladi can also play Nouri's position.

Kazemian, Hashemian, and Oladi upfront till Aliasgari returns for Hashemian would do it up front. If Oladi plays CM, he can use Norouzi till Aliasgari returns.

[Keano]

Agreed. Players like Nouri, G. Rezaei, Noroozi must be benched until they give their all to their team, these players especially Rezaei and Nouri play so indifferent and carelessly as if they purposely want the team to get sloppy results (Not suggesting such intentions) players like Mansouri, Alireza Mohammad must go during mid season transfer window.

Aliasgar I prefer seeing him as winger than a striker, while Noroozi and Rezaei get benched I'd like to see Oladi as our striker for a series of consecutive games so that he gets real chance to gain confidence and live up to expectations.

I wish we had more spirited and loyal players like Badamaki who despite their lesser skillful capability run twice as hard as the rest of these bee ghayrat players we currently have, you can clearly see for yourself how hard he hustles for his team, the only player I can compare his ghayrat to Badamaki is Karimi, Kazemian, Hashemian... the rest are just in it for the fame and money!

It's hard to hide how disappointed I am to see Estili retain his coaching position!

[BacheLot]

Good last two posts..!
I didn't want to be the one mentioning it before & although I've only seen 3-4 PP games so far this season, I could clearly sense that Nouri & Rezaie ( 2 key Players) weren't putting in honest efforts to win matches in red shirt ..!
It had nothing to do to lack of form or fitness or whatever, these two guys alligence still lies with Daie, not the club..!& I don't see it changing anytime soon..!
Pp needs to trade these two in off-season immediately & should be able to get quality replacements in their place..! Don't care for noruzi in general, but didn't see him enough in action to have a judgement if the guy fall into the same category of the two above..!
I think Oladi if given a few games to get rolling will become a huge contributor to pp advancement this season..! He has all the necessary skills to play AM in place of injured AK..,!
They should look into luring back P. Nouri back to Pp ..! He could be the key player added..! Or the disgruntled Hadadifar..!? Or another quality DM..!

[The-Red]

Well, as I have stated many times before, Daie had to leave. He was simply too much hashiyeh and on top of that he failed at Perspolis because there was no real improvement in the team and that was evident from every single game towards the end of the season in Hazfi and the league...delivering a hazfi championship Mansoor jan doesn't mean success and a pass to stay simply because we all know Daie's limit as a coach and again, that was all evident from the team was performing on the field, results in Asia, where it was important for Perspolis to perform.

Now, once he left, there should have been much better names on the list. You can't replace a failed coach with another potentially failed one. That's exactly what they did in Perspolis.
The problem all started back in 2009 when Krajnar was replaced with Daie and no decision has hurt Perspolis and its fans more than this one. Now, a new regime, new policy, and a new vision again will start looking into a foreign coach until another one comes in, someone like Kashani, who believes in giving a chance to inexperienced vatani coaches, a.k.n., his friends, and...the cycle goes on...The same pattern has been seen in TM in the past decade. There is no stability in football management in Iran and hence, coaches like Daie, Estili and even Mayeli are in part victim of their own ego, and part victims of the system.

The solution now I believe is to get red of Estili and bring in a foreign coach, one that has preferably worked in Iran before or is at least somewhat familiar with our football. By time he knows what he is doing, he may lose points on 10 more games or so, but that's fine as Perspolis still has 3-4 months until ACL starts. Perspolis and Esteghlal won't be going far with Estili, Mazoloomi or likes of Daie and Mayli...That's of course if you agree that these two clubs deserve to be among the Asia's top, not hope for a top five finish in the IPL.

[Keano]

Right now that there is almost 2 weeks of IPL break would have been the best time to replace Estili with a decent foreign coach, he would would have had fairly enough time to get familiarized with the team and our football, and start fresh and somewhat prepared for week 13. By a decent foreign coach I meant someone who had previously been to Iran with some coaching experience, best candidates would be Denizli, even Kranjar or Bonacic who have plenty of knowledge about Perspolis and its players.

But unfortunately it doesn't seem the club management is too keen on such replacements. These kaj daar mariz results we've been getting is just buying Estili too much time to extend his stay with Perspolis, his team has been losing/drawing a few and winning a few, unfortunately those deceptive wins have fooled the foolish club management.

Hay haat menazellah...