Barcelona f.c. defeats Madrid Zoo f.c.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ yes, yes .. that is what we FEAR the most.
we simply cant take it anymore. all the defeats of 2-0, 3-0, 5-0 at home, (ooff, oofff.... that 5-0 was like a whole goal post in our arses ) ... in la liga, champs league, ... . And the humiliation we have suffered when facing moan-rinho's pack!!! we have been crushed time and again and have lost shit load of trophies to the mastery of him!
our rep has been utterly destroyed since after moan-rinho's arrival barca has won nothing! NOT. A. THING.

yes, that is what we really FEAR. hear our knees buckling through the fiberoptic broadband lines?




But jokes apart, I think such coaches employing such dirty tactics are ruining the game (even if in the process they win a trophy). It is bad for the game, its image and reputation. this is what the neutrals say and need not be the barca fans' voice.

as much as we hate grassrolling & persian gulf arab teams resorting to rash tackles, verbal abuse, ... etc etc (we know all the rest and we all have voiced our revulsion and anger against it. even you) and hate it, moan-rinho's dirty tactics, verbal antics and irresponsible insistence on getting lower and lower when faced with a better team is resulting in the same frustration and revulsion among the neutral fans too.

instead of elevating the game, he and idiots like him are dragging it down to their scum levels.
it is even more disgraceful when we see he has ample tools to produce a top level footballing performance from his squad of superstars! instead, he opts for vicious, animalistic tactics!
says a lot about his mental make up

[Babak agha]

My question was purely hypothetical. I just wanted to see whether you'd accept him and his tactics in exchange for (hypothetical) guaranteed success.

But I guess we found out about that

[Hajagha]

There was a good discussion on Aljareera Sport after the game:

TWO TALL/BIG CENTER DEFENDERS

They were describing that there are center forwards that they are relatively small and tend to go deep or wide and easily can outrun and dribble the big defenders. One of them are David Villa from Barcelona. They were saying this started from Thierry Henry from Arsenal.

They didn't know how a team should defend against such a tactic? Should the center D chase the guy deep/wide or should stay? They said, Villa usually go wide and with the outside Mid outbalance the number against outside defender.

They said that maybe the next generation of defenders are not as big/tall as current ones.

I found it very interesting to think about it.

Cheers,

[Doctor DOOM]

^ good topic.

the thing is barca has taken this into a totally different level.
if you notice the movement of its 3 forwards, especially messi's and villa's, you'd literally feel sorry for the opponent defenders who are tasked to defend against them. and I'm not talking about villa's or messi's ball skills or tricks. ONLY their movement and positioning.

while villa travels up and down and left and right (which makes man marking him almost moot and useless), messi is more interesting as he comes into the midfield, so deep that if the opponent coach decides to man mark him by forcing one of the defenders to shadow him, when messi comes deep, the defender will leave acres of space that can be (and IS USUALLY) exploited by any of barca players (pedro, villa, iniesta or even xavi)
an example of this very move was barca's first goal where messi had come too deep, into his own half almost and it was iniesta who used the kilometers of gap in madrid's centeral defense to surge forward and receive the pass

so I feel sorry for coaches and teams facing such an unpredictable and almost impossible attacking strategy. but that still does not excuse resorting to such violence and deliberate rash tackling to the point of injuring the opponents

[Babak agha]

Well analyzing Barca, is not much of help: they've got 5-6 players of the top ten players in the world playing for them.

It's not like their coach has any influence or tells them what to do and how to play.

They are the most talented and gifted players in the world. The only sensible thing you can do is: watch, enjoy, and don't talk much about it

You seriously think that someone tells Messi and Villa how to move and position themselves and how to shoot? Or tell Xabi, iniesta (and now fabregas) how to pass, when and to whom to pass, and how to fill in the spaces?

These are the instincts of these players.

[Masoud_A]

And this is the F+ forum? I dislike Real Madrid and Barcelona both but calling out Madrid and its players like that is not pretty at all. As a neutral fan watching the game I was quite sickened by the amount of flopping and dramatics pulled off by Barcelona players. Real Madrid players committed some hard fouls but lets not make it a Good Vs Evil battle like Barcelona players are a bunch of angels.
PS: This kind of threads does not belong here we created this place for mature and less subjective discussion.

[Doctor DOOM]

ژوزه مورینیو، مربی پرتغالی رئال مادرید هزاران هوادار در سرتاسر دنیا دارد ولی به نظر می رسد که تعداد افرادی که از مورینیو متنفرند به مراتب بیشتر است
بعد از آنچه در دیدار برگشت سوپرکاپ اسپانیا رخ داد و حمله مورینیو به تیتو ویلانوا که انگشتش را در چشم دستیار گواردیولا فرو کرد، روزنامه مکزیکی رکورد نتیجه تحقیقی را منتشر کرد که از نفرت انگیز ترین افراد دنیا در دنیای فوتبال خبر می دهد واین مربی پرتغالی در رده دوم این لیست قرار دارد
روزنامه آ.اس چاپ مادرید این گزارش را بازتاب داده است. تنها دیگو آرماندو مارادونا پیش از ژوزه مورینیو، در صدر لیست نفرت انگیزهای دنیای فوتبال قرار دارد و این طور به نظر می رسد که دن دیگو که از نظر خیلی ها بهترین بازیکن تاریخ دنیای فوتبال بوده، در عرصه مربیگری میان هوادارانش محبوبیتی ندارد.
در این لیست نام بازیکنانی مثل ماریو بالوتلی و مارکو ماتراتزی هم دیده می شود که تنها ۲ بازیکن فوتبال در میان ۱۵ شخصیت نفرت انگیز لیست هستند. خسوس خیل در رده هشتم این لیست است و هریستو استویچکوف در رده دوازدهم لیست دیده می شود.
ریموند دومنک، سرمربی سابق تیم ملی فرانسه هم در رده پانزدهم این لیست قرار دارد.

wow!
it takes a lot ... and I seriously mean A LOT to beat materazzi in a hate list. and this goon has done it!!
wow!!


then again, materazzi is exactly the type of player such a coach would want; rough, rash, belligerent, violent, temperaMENTAL (underline the mental part), animalistic and mainly unsportsman-like



here;s the Telegraph on this attention whore ( I think he fits very well with AN, who is another attention whore ):

Barcelona v Real Madrid: Jose Mourinho the biggest winner because once again we're all talking about him

Every single word is music to his ears. Every complaint, every accusation feeds his ego, swells his pride. Every allegation simply augments his achievement. Last night was a good night for Jose Mourinho. Despite defeat, despite disgrace, it was a fine evening, because this morning, we are all talking about him.


the rest of the article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...about-him.html

[Hajagha]

^ Than can you explain why he is the highest paid coach in the world?

Cheers,

[Babak agha]

^ the reasons you gave as for why Ghotbi was paid so much.....plus he actually had a coaching experience and had won some trophies.

[maij]

^ Than can you explain why he is the highest paid coach in the world?

Cheers,

That is interesting and timely post , Reza jan.

I just finished watching a documentary about Pablo Escobar. Even at post mortem , he is/was the riches man in the World , his private army was reported to be more powerful and better equipped than the regular government armed forces, and had thousands of people under his payroll. I guess you know the rest.

So ....How come Escobar was so rich , yet he probably never done one day of decent and honest work?

To me , a person's pay/income/financial asset is NOT necessarily reflective of his intelligence , morale , dignity , skill or qualification.....Come to this part of the World , Reza Jan , and I will personally show you quite a few examples.

On the other hand , I think professional football in many European countries , is a robbery in daylight. Many of the rich clubs of the world are the facade of money laundering operations , cash siphoned from people by illegal means or stolen from coffers, like the Arab shaikhs quite normally do.

I went to the bank the other day to deposit a few thousand dollars , and I was made to declare the source of that money as per the Bank's British regulation. Fine , have the British ever asked Roman Abramovic , or Shaikh Mansoor Al Nehayan , how they got their billions to invest in Chelsea and Man City ? I seriously doubt......Damn hypocrites

So ...there is really not much of an honor to be the highest paid amongst the thieves.

[Babak agha]

^ you also can add the fact that increasing your expences budget by just a couple of millions to overpay "headline" making players and coaches, doesn't really matter when you've got an amount of debt of a couple of hundreds of millions of euros. Especially when you want to buy the support of the "fans" to regain power

[maij]

Payam Agha.

There is something very odd about your post, a technical issue , that is.

What I see of your last reply is one line and a half line of text. When I press " post a reply" I see that you have written about 4 lines of text!! well , much more than 1 1/2 lines! Something is preventing my browser from seeing your whole post....A technical problem of some sort.

Perhaps it is that picture of the silly Brazilian player ...( what is his name ??) blocking the text !!!

[Doctor DOOM]

^ Than can you explain why he is the highest paid coach in the world?

Cheers,

this reasoning doesnt make much sense, whatsoever, raza jan.
merely going by the amount of fees is a very loose, slippery surface and it wont hold in ANY argument ANYwhere in the world.

here's just one example of a trillion:
ghotbi's salary was higher than a whole bunch of coaches who did successfully qualify for the WC. his salary was, in fact, higher than the fees URUGUAY's (WC semi-finalist) & PARAGUAY's (WC quarter-finalist) coaches charged (to name only a couple of that whole list). so according to your strange & peculiar reasoning, then ghotbi must be better than them. right?
I'm extremely interested if you'd come out and say this here in this thread? will you stand by your own words? ... since you have made the issues of "pay" on several occasions in the past too.

if fees were the gouge for quality, then the list for best players and coaches and teams and ... would be a very lopsided, ridiculously funny one

so my suggestion is to pick a more reliable measuring stick for assessing quality

[Hajagha]

this reasoning doesnt make much sense, whatsoever, raza jan.
merely going by the amount of fees is a very loose, slippery surface and it wont hold in ANY argument ANYwhere in the world.

here's just one example of a trillion:
ghotbi's salary was higher than a whole bunch of coaches who did successfully qualify for the WC. his salary was, in fact, higher than the fees URUGUAY's (WC semi-finalist) & PARAGUAY's (WC quarter-finalist) coaches charged (to name only a couple of that whole list). so according to your strange & peculiar reasoning, then ghotbi must be better than them. right?
I'm extremely interested if you'd come out and say this here in this thread? will you stand by your own words? ... since you have made the issues of "pay" on several occasions in the past too.

if fees were the gouge for quality, then the list for best players and coaches and teams and ... would be a very lopsided, ridiculously funny one

so my suggestion is to pick a more reliable measuring stick for assessing quality

Jigar,

First, don't change the subject, we talk about Mourinho's qualification as one of the best coaches in the current world. This can be claimed by the number of trophies he won and also the amount of payment people willing to pay him to get his service.

Second, we have "payment" and then we have "PAYMENT". Ghotbi got a payment from some where that the president is "Ahmadinejad and the head of IFF has no idea Liverpool is a goos or duck. The country makes 100 billion dollars per year out of oil which 90% of it is in pocket of wrong people... Ghotbi included.

Failure attempt comparing a fraud like Ghotbi to top-notch coach like Mourinho.

Come back to the topic, despite all those articles you found and posted here, you can not deny Real Madrid is among the top 4 teams in the world (to me among the top two) and Mourinho is among the top 5 best coaches in the world, OR CAN YOU?

I love Barca and love to watch them playing. But I am not blind seeing amazing and brilliant players play in Real. My love on Barca doesn't translate to hater of Real like many people including those people writing those articles you posted. You can find many of them in Iran that you don't know whether they are "pro-Red or Anti-Blue" and vise versa.

If you ask me to give a short report on the last two games, here is mine:

Real played the best game against Barca in the last 6-7 games facing them. Over all, they were slightly better. I think the upcoming season is going to be a close one.

Cheers,

[Hajagha]

That is interesting and timely post , Reza jan.

I just finished watching a documentary about Pablo Escobar. Even at post mortem , he is/was the riches man in the World , his private army was reported to be more powerful and better equipped than the regular government armed forces, and had thousands of people under his payroll. I guess you know the rest.

So ....How come Escobar was so rich , yet he probably never done one day of decent and honest work?

To me , a person's pay/income/financial asset is NOT necessarily reflective of his intelligence , morale , dignity , skill or qualification.....Come to this part of the World , Reza Jan , and I will personally show you quite a few examples.

On the other hand , I think professional football in many European countries , is a robbery in daylight. Many of the rich clubs of the world are the facade of money laundering operations , cash siphoned from people by illegal means or stolen from coffers, like the Arab shaikhs quite normally do.

I went to the bank the other day to deposit a few thousand dollars , and I was made to declare the source of that money as per the Bank's British regulation. Fine , have the British ever asked Roman Abramovic , or Shaikh Mansoor Al Nehayan , how they got their billions to invest in Chelsea and Man City ? I seriously doubt......Damn hypocrites

So ...there is really not much of an honor to be the highest paid amongst the thieves.

Majid jan,

Is there any perfect world that I am not aware of?


I think comparing Escobar to Mourinho is unfair with due all respect to you.

Escobar is from a country that can be compared to Iran (the only country that the head of football federation has no idea about Liverpool). Such a federation will pay millions to a coach because he was seen in TV in ahmadinejad-inauguration. Who did hire him? Ali Abadi, the one currently is the head of OPEC and talks English this way:



Do you laugh or cry?

We have a black-market in these countries and and we have a gray market in some other countries.

Shiekhs and Mullas still correcting their behavior when they want to get into democrat countries. As no one is immune here in the west. If the news breaks down, no one can prevent falling of those ones given immunity to these Shiekhs and Mullas.

The amount of payment in the West has some kind of "trend" with competency and qualification, where in Middle East, there is none. So, it's a failure to use qualification tools in the west when we talk about Middle East.

Cheers,