Goalkeeping problem on the horizon?

[St_Mark]

با هدف حمایت از کار و سرمایه!!

حضور دروازه بانان خارجی درلیگ یک هم ممنوع شد[quote] سرپرست کمیته مسابقات فدراسیون فوتبال با اعلام یکسان شدن آیین نامه نقل و انتقالات در مسابقات لیگ برتر و دسته اول، تاکید کرد در فصل 92 - 91 فوتبال ایران حضور دروازه بانان خارجی علاوه بر مسابقات لیگ برتر در رقابت های لیگ دسته اول نیز ممنوع خواهد بود

غلامرضا بهروان، سرپرست کمیته مسابقات فدراسیون فوتبال در گفتگو با خبرنگار مهر ضمن بیان این مطلب در خصوص زمان آغاز فصل نقل و انتقالات دوازدهمین دوره لیگ برتر اظهار داشت: زمان نقل و انتقالات از 26 اردیبهشت 1391 آغاز شده و تا روز 17 تیرماه 1391 ادامه خواهد داشت.وی در ادامه افزود: در نشستی که با اعضای هیئت رئیسه سازمان لیگ و مسئولان فدراسیون فوتبال از جمله آقایان کفاشیان، آیت الهی و محمدنبی داشتیم به این جمع بندی رسیدیم که آیین نامه نقل و انتقالات لیگ دسته اول نیز به مانند لیگ برتر شود و هر دوی این رقابت ها دارای یک آیین نامه واحد باشد که تدوین آن تا پایان هفته جاری انجام می شود.
سرپرست کمیته مسابقات فدراسیون فوتبال خاطر نشان کرد: از مواردی که در نشست اخیر مورد بحث و بررسی قرار گرفت و در نهایت به تصویب رسید، این بود که با توجه به نامگذاری سال 91 به نام سال "تولید ملی، حمایت از کار و سرمایه ایرانی" توسط مقام معظم رهبری حضور دروازه بانان خارجی به مانند گذشته در مسابقات لیگ برتر همچنان ممنوع باشد.

According to Behravan starting next season no foreign goal keeper for Lig1.
His reasoning is strange and unbelievable , he even managed to resort to decree by Rahbar !.
He failed to explain if that is the case why only apply to keepers .
During his Q & A with Fars Ayatollahi ( Kafashiam first deputy ) said it differently.

فارس: 2 هفته دیگر لیگ برتر به پایان می رسد و از حالا شایعاتی در خصوص قانون منع ورود دروازه بان خارجی به لیگ برتر شنیده می شود و اینکه فدراسیون تصمیم دارد به این قانون
ادامه دهد.

قطعا بعد از پایان مسابقات در مجمع سازمان لیگ این موضوع مطرح می شود. شما این را در نظر بگیرید که تا به حال سابقه نداشته دروازه بان های ما به عنوان لژیونر فعالیت کنند اما اکنون حقیقی در روسیه مشغول فعالیت شده و یا حامد لک به تازگی پیشنهادی از خارج دریافت کرده است. همه اینها نشان می دهد قانون منع استفاده از دروازه بان خارجی باعث سازندگی دروازه بان های ما شده است. اکنون فروزان و
گردان هم کاندیدای حضور در تیم ملی هستند.

فارس: اما این قانون باعث شده در فصل نقل و انتقالات قیمت دروازه بان های ایرانی به صورت کاذب بالا برود.

کار سازندگی ای که شده مهمتر از این مسئله است. کدام یک از دروازه بان های ما تاکنون توانسته اند بالای 2 میلیارد تومان قرارداد ببندند اما این قرارداد را حقیقی بسته است. اگر معدل سنی دروازه بان های جوان و با آتیه را بگیرید متوجه این سازندگی می شوید. پس این قانون مثبت بوده و مورد حمایت هیئت رئیسه فدراسیون هم هست.

Follow up:

Reaction from Perspolis Boss.
He strongly criticised this decision and assured he will fight to change it.

محمد رویانیان پس از اعلام ممنوعیت حضور دروازه بانان خارجی برای فصل آینده در لیگ برتر و لیگ یک که از سوی بهروان سرپرست سازمان لیگ اعلام شده، گفت: به این تصمیم به شدت معترضیم چون این کار تأثیر خوبی در فوتبال ما نمی گذارد و دست برخی تیم ها را می بندد.


فرمایشات آقا پیرامون حمایت از کار و سرمایه ملی درخصوص مسائل اساسی کشور است نه امور داخلی مربوط به فوتبال، اگر این طور است چرا سرمربی تیم ملی را از خارج می آورید؟ تیم ملی که نماد فوتبال یک کشور است.رویانیان خاطر نشان کرد: چرا باشگاه ها در سایر پست های دیگر می توانند از نفرات خارجی استفاده کنند اما در خصوص استفاده از دروازه بان خارجی اینگونه تبعیض قائل می شوند؟

[Doctor DOOM]

anyone still doubts ahmadi is in a better form and shape than the likes of foroozan, gordan and even rahmati?

so those who blindly follow a coach's call up might want to pause and ask themselves why the most in form keeper in iran isnt in the 33 man list. and perhaps that shd tell them we are all fallible and error-prone ... no matter which country we are from


and btw, putting down ahmadi becoz at one period he was a benchwarmer, .... so that means now that he's doing great, he shd not be considered?
you guys want to take that line ....really?
then explain why rahmati is in TM. he used to be the biggest butt of jokes in Iran for more than a whole season and half. everytime he was seen in the goal (I think at ss), fans moaned and cursed their luck. and he somehow never disappointed them ... in getting them disappointed with how lousy and foolish he kept the goal.
mere mention of "mehdi rahmati" was enough to get ppl laughing their arses off.

"special"?
yes, rahmati was "special" .. all right. horribly-funny special
But look now!
within a year, he got his act together and was the most in form keeper in Iran, dislodging everyone else


eventually, we're not saying rahmati is bad or shd be dropped.
we're saying at the moment his form is not as good as it used to be and there are a lot of mistakes and errors seen in his displays. maybe he needs some rest and CQ ought to allow others to fill in, so he wont get complacent also
at the same time, it IS unjustified and illogical to leave out the most in form keeper in iran also

[Martin-Reza]

In eight matches since middle of April, Rahmati conceded three goals, keeping a clean sheet five times, helping Esteghlal remaining unbeaten in that time.

Leave him alone and stop promoting a keeper who cost his club millions because he couldn't count to two and played despite suspension.

[Doctor DOOM]

lol.
I wish all these stats and numbers would help rahmati when the ball is crossed from flanks and he has to decide whether to come out or not, and when to do so and at what angle the ball's flight is and ... ! will they?

today he made two great saves that reminded me of his in-form days. but at the same time he does wobble and it is this that makes him inconsistent.
like it or not, he needs to rest and sit on the bench for a while. for both physical and psychological reasons


but that sepahan elimination remark was indeed a low blow remark to make and insinuate it is the player who has to bear the blame and not the organization (that logically shd bear the brunt of the blame). I guess martin jan thinks as long as it serves his stance, he can cook up and make up rules. otherwise I am sure we all can cook up stuff to blame many players and coaches. let us know. if it is "open season" on this, then I can start with some of martin's favorite players and coaches you might want to step a few yards back, coz you dont want to get splashed with blood and ripped guts.


but it isnt so. it is sepahan, IFF and Iranian football organization that is at fault for both silly eliminations (sepahan's and omid's) for not bothering to check a simple list.


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I think martin would have been a great player in games like "follow the leader".
hell, I think his attitude makes him the perfect candidate for a soldier. never questioning authority is the hallmark of a fantastic soldier who would rise in ranks quite rapidly, in fact.

[Martin-Reza]

Anyone blaming the first Sepahan goal on Rahmati has no clue about football, so don't even try.

[Doctor DOOM]

[oldcoach]

Well, this ONE is having fun reading this thread where ONE has to lack total football knowledge to think Rahmati was at fault for the first goal and ONE has to be total blind to think Ahmadi doesn't deserve to be in TM.
Personally, I believe Ahmadi deserves a call up.

[Martin-Reza]

Ah, if there just would be a professional coach having to make that decision to make us see who is right...oops, Carlso Queiroz has already made that decision and Rahmati is his number one and Ahmadi is not even in the top 5.

Absolutely nothing to blame on Rahmati today. You have noone marking Navidkia, Sukaj and Bruno Cesar and Rahmati is supposed to be on fault. What an utter joke, like every single attack on Rahmati before.

As usual, pure negativity with absolute refusal to acknowledge there is a professional coach knowing better. People might have bought it when coaches with no big name were at helm, but Dr. Doom vs. Carlos Queiroz is a funny duel.

[Mr.Good]

I not going to say who is better Rahmati or Ahmadi, but in todays game I saw Ahmadi drop the ball few time just for his defenders to cover him up.
Overall Sepahan looked very well organized in defense and mifield, while esteglal defenders looked like headless chicken, leaving sepahan strikers unmarked. also I agree with MR. That the first goal is not Rahmati's fault, it was a strong shot and rahmati did the right thing punching it as far as he can, but his defenders did not cover for him leaving two to three strickers umarked getting and passing the ball between themselves and scoring. If he had gone for "Palming" it most probably it would have ended in the goal. on the second goal, look at the esteglal defenders leaving everyone unmarked and watching the ball go in. some one should make highlights of the keepers only in this game.

[zzgloo]

I went back and looked at the Esteghlal vs Sepahan game again....
The secound Goal ,the bengar's goal,was not Rahmati's fault....and it was the well planed attack by Sepahan's coach...with 5 Sepahan's player in the six yard Box.and another two outside looking ..and 7 or 8 esteghlal players..it was a busy traffic...and it was not wise for Rahmati to come out and grab the ball or punch it in the air, as the traffic was too havey and he might not have reached the ball..
On the first goal....it was rahamati's usual inability to punch the ball...
It is a universal accepted technique by goal keepers, to fist and puch the ball on strong out of reach high shots on the goal...he just does not know such facts,as it was not his first time....and at this level.This deficiency is a big laibility for TM.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ bahram jan, that ball SHOULD have been the goalkeeper's.
keepers usually collect those or at least parry/deflect them.

what rahmati did was first decided to come out, then decided against it and got rooted in the middle of the way. as they say, he was caught in no man's land. he neither stayed back on the goal line to protect it, nor did he reach the ball to influence it!

this is the biggest mistake a keeper can do. even worse than those who do come out but misjudge the flight and angle of the ball (he makes this mistake also quite a lot!). coz at least they can say they attempted to do something about the ball.
here, he cant even have that excuse!

[Martin-Reza]

That the first goal is not Rahmati's fault, it was a strong shot and rahmati did the right thing punching it as far as he can, but his defenders did not cover for him leaving two to three strickers umarked getting and passing the ball between themselves and scoring. If he had gone for "Palming" it most probably it would have ended in the goal.

Finally someone with the ability to observe facts and combine it with knowledge about football. The ball was sliced and changed direction, Rahmati had to readjust his hands in the final moment and did well to save it and even tip it to the side.

Any try to fist or catch the ball would have been a huge risk and probably would have ended in a goal. With a somewhat working defense, the scene would have been over immediately after the save.

[Mr.Good]

Thats not the first time an Iranian defense line stood watching the ball on rebound and is the not the last time. Yesterday the same happened with PP against Al-ittihad. I think it was the third goal, when the ball return from the post after the goalie dived for it, and then the defense stood and watched the striker put the ball into the net. also who remembers the last WCQ against Korea, when Rahmati got the free-kick ball and then the defense stood watching the korean score the equalizer in Azadi.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ very good points on defense and defenders' usual mistake. you both are correct to point those out.
all the more reason we make sure our keepers are at their BEST FORM.
just like how rahmati used to save our arses a couple of years back when he was magnificently covering for our defenders' weaknesses and usual mistakes.

but right now, his best form just isnt enough to do that anymore!


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Finally someone with the ability to observe facts and combine it with knowledge about football. The ball was sliced and changed direction, Rahmati had to readjust his hands in the final moment and did well to save it and even tip it to the side.

Any try to fist or catch the ball would have been a huge risk and probably would have ended in a goal. With a somewhat working defense, the scene would have been over immediately after the save.

^ again you are diverting the attention from rahmati's EXECUTION to the defenders' faults and mistakes.
unfortunately the thread is not about defenders and is about keepers and more specifically rahmati's dipping form.
so while we all agree defenders were at fault, again I have to repeat it; rahmati's EXECUTION can not be ignored.

even if you want to say that's all he "could" do, then it brings up the point that perhaps what he "can" do THESE DAYS is not enough. his maximum effort is just nowhere near his better days. and we DO have another keeper whose best AT THE MOMENT, is better than rahmati's.


now, if this was a one-off mistake or a rare occurrence, then we all would agree as no keeper is beyond mistakes. even the best of them.
but sadly, rahmati has been making too many mistakes, too frequently, and too often in recent months. that's why many are worried about this.

[Mr.Good]

not trying to divert attention from Rahmati here. All I was trying to say is that we cannot say Ahmadi is better than Rahmati because rahmati conceded and Ahmadi did not. Rahmati may have lost some form and had bad days, but this does not make Ahmadi better than him. I saw Ahmadi drop the ball in the same game more than rahmati, but the difference was that Ahmadi had better defense to help him than rahmati. Football is a team sport, when the team scores, the whole team plays a role, and when the team concedes, then usually the whole team is at fault.
in short all I'm saying is that ahmadi is not better than rahmati from my point of view.